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No change in political climate (Ellen Goodman: Global warming deniers are like Holocaust deniers)
Boston Globe ^ | February 9, 2007 | Ellen Goodman

Posted on 02/09/2007 12:09:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance

On the day that the latest report on global warming was released, I went out and bought a light bulb. OK, an environmentally friendly, compact fluorescent light bulb.

*snip*

By every measure, the U N 's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change raises the level of alarm. The fact of global warming is "unequivocal." The certainty of the human role is now somewhere over 90 percent. Which is about as certain as scientists ever get.

I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future.

*snip*

Ellen Goodman's e-mail address is goodman@globe.com.

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Speaking of lightbulbs: I think Ellen Goodman is a twenty watter.
1 posted on 02/09/2007 12:09:06 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Hey Ellen -- the earth has been warming and cooling for a very long time...read a high school science book. Now, what are you going to write about ???


2 posted on 02/09/2007 12:11:07 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EternalVigilance

You missed a decimal point.

2.0 Watts


3 posted on 02/09/2007 12:12:28 PM PST by EEDUDE
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To: EEDUDE

Dang. Thanks for catching that!


4 posted on 02/09/2007 12:13:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance
Speaking of lightbulbs: I think Ellen Goodman is a twenty watter.

You're giving her too many pollution credits. She's a candle in the wind.

5 posted on 02/09/2007 12:13:43 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: EternalVigilance
The certainty of the human role is now somewhere over 90 percent. Which is about as certain as scientists ever get.

Six hundred years ago, 99% of scientists were certain the Earth was flat and maggots spontaneously generated in rotten meat.

6 posted on 02/09/2007 12:13:44 PM PST by Argus
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To: EternalVigilance

Probably.

My response:

Ms. Goodman:
Are you aware of any scientific research that indicates that variations in solar activity is not the primary contributor to current warming pattern? Put me down as a skeptic as to anthropogenic role in climate change until I see the scientific evidence that rules out the most obvious cause.

In the mean time, I suggest that if you want to abate your CO2 footprint, plant some trees.

Respectfully,

(Name witheld on account of fear of being burned as a heretic and denier)


7 posted on 02/09/2007 12:13:54 PM PST by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: coconutt2000

Good chance you're right! :-)


8 posted on 02/09/2007 12:14:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah, right. Goodman considers herself an expert. (sarc)


9 posted on 02/09/2007 12:16:04 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Let's just say"

That's all it takes on the left.


10 posted on 02/09/2007 12:16:57 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|))
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To: EternalVigilance

Ellen Goodman is your typical liberal columnist flunky.


11 posted on 02/09/2007 12:17:34 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: Argus

I'm 90% sure the writer hatched that way.


12 posted on 02/09/2007 12:17:45 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: bjc

While I certainly agree with all of the rightful scepticism about Ms. Goodman's unibomber-like views, I'm waiting for comments on her outrageous comparison of those who doubt with holocaust-deniers.


13 posted on 02/09/2007 12:17:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance
There are astonishing gaps between Republican science and Democratic science. Try these numbers: Only 23 percent of college-educated Republicans believe the warming is due to humans, while 75 percent of college-educated Democrats believe it.

So what you are saying is the democRat students are like lemmings. Blindly following the paradigm as laid out by their liberal professors.

14 posted on 02/09/2007 12:19:17 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: EternalVigilance
On the day that the latest report on global warming was released, I went out and bought a light bulb. OK, an environmentally friendly, compact fluorescent light bulb.

BZZZZZ! Wrong answer, Ellen. You do-gooder watermelon types should have had florescent bulbs YEARS ago! Or, perhaps, you were thinking they were too expensive? Hmmmm?

15 posted on 02/09/2007 12:22:24 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Celebrate Monocacy!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future.

Go buy some more light bulbs Ellen!

16 posted on 02/09/2007 12:23:48 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: EternalVigilance

As I recall, anyone outside the Marxist conclaves of Boston, Cambridge, Brookline, and Amherst consider Goodman to be a blithering dolt with limited talent who must have something on one of the Globe's editors.


17 posted on 02/09/2007 12:26:36 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: theDentist

Isn't she the plagerist?


18 posted on 02/09/2007 12:27:26 PM PST by LYSandra
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To: theDentist
Goodman to be a blithering dolt with limited talent who must have something on one of the Globe's editors

Or did the Globe editor get some on her.... blue dress?

19 posted on 02/09/2007 12:28:22 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future.

What a moonbat. They aren't close to on par.

You can't "deny" the future.

20 posted on 02/09/2007 12:29:08 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: EternalVigilance; EEDUDE

A human brain typically runs at ~25 watts.


21 posted on 02/09/2007 12:32:42 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: EternalVigilance
Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers..

That statement is downright homophobic.

22 posted on 02/09/2007 12:34:31 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: EternalVigilance
While I certainly agree with all of the rightful scepticism about Ms. Goodman's unibomber-like views, I'm waiting for comments on her outrageous comparison of those who doubt with holocaust-deniers.

Since Ellen's criteria of being on par with a Holocaust denier includes denying the present there are quite a few on her 'team' (liberals) who more than qualify.

Liberals who pretend that they didn't for the war.
Bill Clinton, who denies oral sex is sex
John Kerry, who denies he insulted the military.
Nancy Pelosi, who denies she isn't exhorbitant.
John Edwards ,who denies he's filthy rich.
Dan Rather, who denies he knew the document was fake
Democrats who deny Bush won the election.

According to Ellen, Holocaust deniers all.

23 posted on 02/09/2007 12:41:14 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: EternalVigilance
On the day that the latest report on global warming was released, I went out and bought a light bulb.

Actually, the scientific study has yet to be released. The report issued that sent Ms. Goodman to the hardware store is the UN Bureaucrat's spin on a study that will be released in May. See, this way, the man-made Global Warming acolytes have more than three months to influence public lawmaking and lawmakers before anyone has a chance to see if the science behind the actual study is valid. If any other scientific research were presented this way, it would be rejected out of hand and rightly so.

24 posted on 02/09/2007 12:42:03 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: EternalVigilance

Weather for Boston, MA

Fri
Mostly Sunny
29° | 17°

Sat
Partly Sunny
28° | 18°

Sun
Mostly Sunny
28° | 17°

Mon
Mostly Sunny
33° | 21°


25 posted on 02/09/2007 12:42:28 PM PST by D-Chivas
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To: EternalVigilance
Speaking of lightbulbs: I think Ellen Goodman is a twenty watter.

A twenty watt bulb in a 40 watt socket who thinks she's a spotlight.

26 posted on 02/09/2007 12:45:44 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: D-Chivas
Don't be fooled by what the thermometer says. I heard Keith Olbermann say that global warming is sometimes manifested by colder temperatures.
27 posted on 02/09/2007 12:47:35 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: LYSandra
Isn't she the plagerist?

No, you're thinking of another liberal(s), Doris Kearnes Goodwin.

28 posted on 02/09/2007 12:49:44 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Oh that's right but then all liberals look alike! Ha!


29 posted on 02/09/2007 12:56:02 PM PST by LYSandra
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To: Lijahsbubbe
It seems that the liberals like Goodwin are trying to steal the legacy of Abraham Lincoln from the GOP. I read a while back that McGovern is thinking of writing a bio of our Lincoln. By both party and philosophy, Lincoln belongs to Republicans and conservatives rather than the dividers and masters of the zero sum in the Dem party.
30 posted on 02/09/2007 12:56:33 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: EternalVigilance

You are right, of course. It is a mind numbingly insulting comment. However, my personal goal is to ask the same basic and simple question to every person who argues that man is causing the problem: How did you rule out the Sun as a cause?

I know there are some arguments about temperature increases not occurring in the Stratosphere but these seem to be highly debatable since our database on these measures is very limited. Observations of the polar ice-caps on mars however while lacking in precision do represent a pretty good marker of solar activity and I understand that those polar ice caps are visibly retreating.

If this line of reasoning does not comport to known scientific findings please let me know.


31 posted on 02/09/2007 1:01:20 PM PST by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers,..."

Goodman isn't even a competent propagandist. The warmists* started using "denier" without being specific about the connection to Holocaust denial -- they just knew that everyone would make that connection. Meanwhile, if anyone objected, they could simply "deny" that they were drawing a shameless equivalence with Holocaust denial. She completely ruined the effect by spelling it out.

* You might think that "warmist" is meant to convey the point that the global warming fanatics tend toward fascism -- much like "Islamists" are totalitarian Muslims. You can think that; but I wouldn't want to spell it out for you.
32 posted on 02/09/2007 1:01:34 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: EternalVigilance
On the day that the latest report on global warming was released, I went out and bought a light bulb. OK, an environmentally friendly, compact fluorescent light bulb.

Wow, Ellen Goodman just saved the world. Hurricanes and tornadoes will be things of the past.

33 posted on 02/09/2007 1:01:41 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ellen Goodman is like Adolf Hitler.


34 posted on 02/09/2007 1:04:59 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: EternalVigilance

Is Ellen Goodman still writing? She was a bore 15 years ago.


35 posted on 02/09/2007 1:08:15 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: EternalVigilance
"I would like to say we're at a point where the superiority of the Germanic race is impossible to deny. Let's just say that Germanic supremacy deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future."

Ellen Goodman

36 posted on 02/09/2007 1:09:21 PM PST by TheDon (Are you a cut and run conservative?)
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To: All

"I would like to say we're at a point where the superiority of the Christian religion is impossible to deny. Let's just say that Christian deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future."
Ellen Goodman


37 posted on 02/09/2007 1:11:16 PM PST by TheDon (Are you a cut and run conservative?)
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To: EternalVigilance; All

--here's a good answer, which I will post also--

--http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009648


38 posted on 02/09/2007 1:13:57 PM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: EternalVigilance

Latest Weather Channel Headline:
GOODMAN GUSHES OVER GORE'S GLOBAL FLATULENCE!


39 posted on 02/09/2007 1:15:23 PM PST by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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To: LYSandra
Oh that's right but then all liberals look alike! Ha!

You must be talking about that pointy-head thing. ;)

40 posted on 02/09/2007 1:16:04 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: EternalVigilance

I would think (even) libs would be embarassed to have someone as stupid as Ellen Goodman mindlessly repeating their lies.


41 posted on 02/09/2007 1:18:00 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: EagleUSA

Symptoms of groupthink

In order to make groupthink testable, Irving Janis devised eight symptoms that are indicative of groupthink (197).

  1. A feeling of invulnerability creates excessive optimism and encourages risk taking.
  2. Discounting warnings that might challenge assumptions.
  3. An unquestioned belief in the group's morality, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.
  4. Stereotyped views of enemy leaders.
  5. Pressure to conform against members of the group who disagree.
  6. Shutting down of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
  7. An illusion of unanimity with regards to going along with the group.
  8. Mindguards- self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting opinions.

source: Wikipedia

42 posted on 02/09/2007 1:18:27 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
A twenty watt bulb in a 40 watt socket who thinks she's a spotlight.

*grin*

43 posted on 02/09/2007 1:19:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: ozzymandus
I would think (even) libs would be embarassed to have someone as stupid as Ellen Goodman mindlessly repeating their lies.

Liberals have a very high immunity to shame.

44 posted on 02/09/2007 1:20:02 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance

I did my part. I bought one of those light bulbs. That ought to fix it.


45 posted on 02/09/2007 1:20:26 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I will bet a dollar that Goodman has never read the evidence. Her's is simply another argument by intimidation.


46 posted on 02/09/2007 1:20:56 PM PST by zook (America going insane - "Do you read Sutter Caine?)
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To: Roscoe Karns
Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers..

If I were Jewish, I'd likely be offended by that statement.

47 posted on 02/09/2007 1:24:46 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: rellimpank

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009648

Denying the Future

BY JAMES TARANTO
Friday, February 9, 2007 3:26 p.m. EST

The Boston Globe's Ellen Goodman starts off a column about global warming on a loopy note:

On the day that the latest report on global warming was released, I went out and bought a light bulb. OK, an environmentally friendly, compact fluorescent light bulb.

Wow, Ellen, thanks for sharing! But a few paragraphs later she tries to make a serious point and ends up making a serious moral and intellectual error:

I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future.

No, Ellen. Let's not "just say" it. Before we make a truly invidious comparison, let's think a bit, shall we?

On our shelf sits a book called "The House That Hitler Built." It is a 380-page study of Nazi Germany, written by Stephen H. Roberts, a professor of modern history at the University of Sydney. Roberts spent 16 months in Germany and neighboring countries between 1935 and 1937. "My main aim," he explains in the preface, "was to sum up the New Germany without any prejudice (except that my general approach was that of a democratic individualist)."

The substance of the book is alarming, although the tone is calm and detached--so much so that it is eerie to read with the knowledge of what happened in the years after October 1937, when it was published. One 10-page chapter is devoted to "The Present Place of the Jews." At the time Roberts wrote, the persecution of Jewish Germans was well under way:

At present, the German Jew has no civil rights. He is not a citizen; he cannot vote or attend any political meeting; he has no liberty of speech and cannot defend himself in print; he cannot become a civil servant or a judge; he cannot be a writer or a publisher or a journalist; he cannot speak over the radio; he cannot become a screen actor or an actor before Aryan audiences; he cannot teach in any educational institution; he cannot enter the service of the railway, the Reichsbank, and many other banks; he cannot exhibit paintings or give concerts; he cannot work in any public hospital; he cannot enter the Labour Front or any of the professional organizations, although membership of many callings is restricted to members of these groups; he cannot even sell books or antiques. . . . In addition to these, there are many other restrictions applying in certain localities. The upshot of them all is that the Jew is deprived of all opportunity for advancement and is lucky if he contrives to scrape a bare living unmolested by Black Guards or Gestapo. It is a campaign of annihilation--a pogrom of the crudest form, supported by every State instrument.

When Roberts published his book, Kristallnacht was more than a year away; the ghettoes and death camps were further still in the future. Roberts described what he witnessed as "a campaign of annihilation," but he did not foretell the multiplication of its brutality in the ensuing years. Had he somehow managed to do so, he would be a prophet today, but he might well have looked like a crank at the time.

Which brings us back to Ellen Goodman. Imagine if someone in 1937 had foreknowledge of the Holocaust and began sounding the alarms, describing in detail what was going to happen just a few years later. Most people probably wouldn't believe him. They would be, to use Goodman's phrase, denying the future. But would they be "on par" with people who deny the Holocaust after it has happened?

That seems a stretch. There's an enormous difference between doubting an outlandish prediction (even one that comes true) and denying the grotesque facts of history. Because we are ignorant of the future, we can innocently misjudge it. Holocaust deniers are neither ignorant nor innocent (though extremely ignorant people may innocently accept their claims). They are falsifying history for evil purposes.

This columnist is skeptical of global warming. We don't have enough scientific knowledge to have anything like an authoritative opinion--but neither does Ellen Goodman, who bases her entire argument on an appeal to authority, namely the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. We lack the time, the inclination and possibly the intellect to delve deeply into the science. No doubt the same is true of Goodman.

Our skepticism rests largely on intuition. The global-warmists speak with a certainty that is more reminiscent of religious zeal than scientific inquiry. Their demands to cast out all doubt seem antithetical to science, which is founded on doubt. The theory of global warming fits too conveniently with their pre-existing political ideologies. (Granted, we too are vulnerable to that last criticism.)

Above all, we can't stand to be bullied. And what is it but an act of bullying to deny that there is any room for honest disagreement, to insist that those of us who are unpersuaded are the equivalent of Holocaust deniers, that we are not merely mistaken but evil?


48 posted on 02/09/2007 1:25:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance
Speaking of lightbulbs: I think Ellen Goodman is a twenty watter.

Her twenty watt lightbulb went out years ago.

49 posted on 02/09/2007 1:26:49 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Hillary Hugo Chavez wants to "take those profits" away from you, for the common good)
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To: EternalVigilance
I would like to say we're at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future.

Ellen Goodman has received her revelation, and those who don't agree are damned.
50 posted on 02/09/2007 1:33:07 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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