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Is environmentalism the new religion? (with 'Must See' Illustration!)
National Post - Canada ^ | Saturday, February 10, 2007 | Joseph Brean

Posted on 02/10/2007 8:10:32 AM PST by GMMAC

The green fervour
Is environmentalism the new religion?

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Joseph Brean, National Post
Published: Saturday, February 10, 2007


In his new book Apollo’s Arrow, ambitiously subtitled The Science of Prediction and the Future of Everything, Vancouver-based author and mathematician David Orrell set out to explain why the mathematical models scientists use to predict the weather, the climate and the economy are not getting any better, just more refined in their uncertainty.

What he discovered, in trying to sketch the first principles of prophecy, was the religious nature of modern environ-mentalism.

This is not to say that fearing for the future of the planet is irrational in the way supernatural belief arguably is, just that — in its myths of the Fall and the Apocalypse, its saints and heretics, its iconography and tithing, its reliance on prophecy, even its schisms — the green movement now exhibits the same psychology of compliance as religion.

Dr. Orrell is no climate-change denier. He calls himself green. But he understands the unjustified faith that arises from the psychological need tomake predictions.

“The track record of any kind of long-distance prediction is really bad, but everyone’s still really interested in it. It’s sort of a way of picturing the future. But we can’t make long-term predictions of the economy, and we can’t make long-term predictions of the climate,” Dr. Orrell said in an interview. After all, he said, scientists cannot even write the equation of a cloud, let alone make a workable model of the climate.

Formerly of University College London, Dr. Orrell is best known among scientists for arguing that the failures of weather forecasting are not due to chaotic effects — as in the butterfly that causes the hurricane — but to errors of modelling. He sees the same problems in the predictions of the recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, which he calls “extremely vague,” and says there is no scientific reason to think the climate is more predictable than the weather.

“Models will cheerfully boil away all the water in the oceans or cover the world in ice, even with pre-industrial levels of Co2,” he writes in Apollo’s Arrow . And so scientists use theoretical concepts like “flux adjustments” to make the models agree with reality. When models about the future climate are in agreement, “it says more about the self-regulating group psychology of the modelling community than it does about global warming and the economy.”

In explaining such an arcane topic for a general audience, he found himself returning again and again to religious metaphors to explain our faith in predictions, referring to the “weather gods” and the “images of almost biblical wrath” in the literature. He sketched the rise of “the gospel of deterministic science,” a faith system that was born with Isaac Newton and died with Albert Einstein. He said his own physics education felt like an “indoctrination” into the use of models, and that scientists in his field, “like priests... feel they are answering a higher calling.”

“If you go back to the oracles of ancient Greece, prediction has always been one function of religion,” he said. “This role is coveted, and so there’s not very much work done at questioning the prediction, because it’s almost as if you were going to the priest and saying, ‘Look, I’m not sure about the Second Coming of Christ.’ ”

He is not the first to make this link. Forty years ago, shortly after Rachel Carson launched modern environmentalism by publishing leading to the first Earth Day in 1970, a Princeton history professor named LynnWhite wrote a seminal essay called “The Historical Roots of our Ecological Crisis.”

“By destroying pagan animism [the belief that natural objects have souls], Christianity made it possible to exploit nature in a mood of indifference to the feelings of natural objects,” he wrote in a 1967 issue of . “Since the roots of our trouble are so largely religious, the remedy must also be essentially religious, whether we call it that or not.” It was a prescient claim. In a 2003 speech in San Francisco, best-selling author Michael Crichton was among the first to explicitly close the circle, calling modern environmentalism “the religion of choice for urban atheists ... a perfect 21st century re-mapping of traditional JudeoChristian beliefs andmyths.”

Today, the popularity of British author James Lovelock’s Gaia Hypothesis — that the Earth itself functions as a living organism — confirms the return of a sort of idolatrous animism, a religion of nature. The recent IPCC report, and a week’s worth of turgid headlines, did not create this faith, but certainly made it more evident.

It can be felt in the frisson of piety that comes with lighting an energy-saving light bulb, a modern votive candle.

It is there in the pious propaganda of media outlets like the, Toronto Star, which on Jan. 28 made the completely implausible claim that, “The debate about greenhouse gas emissions appears to be over.”

It can be seen in the public ritual of cycling to work, in the veneer of saintliness on David Suzuki and Al Gore (the rush for tickets to the former vice-president’s upcoming appearance crashed the server at the University of Toronto this week), in the high-profile conversion (honest or craven) of GeorgeW. Bush, and in the sinful guilt of throwing a plastic bottle in the garbage.

Adherents make arduous pilgrimages and call them ecotourism. Newspapers publish the iconography of polar bears. The IPCC reports carry the weight of scripture.

John Kay of the Financial Times wrote last month, about future climate chaos: “Christians look to the Second Coming, Marxists look to the collapse of capitalism, with the same mixture of fear and longing ... The discovery of global warming filled a gap in the canon ... [and] provides justification for the link between the sins of our past and the catastrophe of our future.”

Like the tithe in Judaism and Christianity, the religiosity of green is seen in the suspiciously precise mathematics that allow companies such as Bullfrog Power or Offsetters to sell the supposed neutralization of the harmful emissions from household heating, air travel or transportation to a concert.

It is in the schism that has arisen over whether to renew or replace Kyoto, which, even if the scientific skeptics are completely discounted, has been a divisive force for environmentalists.

What was once called salvation — a nebulous state of grace — is now known as sustainability, a word that is equally resistant to precise definition. There is even a hymn, When the North Pole Melts, by James G. Titus, a scientist with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which is not exactly How Great Thou Art, but serves a similar purpose.

Environmentalism even has its persecutors, embodied in the Bush White House attack dogs who have conducted no less than an Inquisition against climate scientists, which failed to bring them to heel but instead inspired potential martyrs. Of course, as religions tend to do, environmentalists commit persecution of their own, which has created heretics out of mere skeptics.

All of this might be fine if religions had a history of rational scientific inquiry and peaceful, tolerant implementation of their beliefs. As it is, however, many religions, environmentalism included, continue to struggle with the curse of literalism, and the resultant extremism.

“Maybe I’m wrong, but I think all this is wrapped up in our belief that we can predict the future,” said Dr. Orrell. “What we need is more of a sense that we’re out of our depth, and that’s more likely to promote a lasting change in behaviour.”

Projections are useful to “provoke ideas and aid thinking about the future,” but as he writes in the book, “they should not be taken literally.”

The “fundamental danger of deterministic, objective science [is that] like a corny, overformulaic film, it imagines and presents the world as a predictable object. It has no sense of the mystery, magic, or surprise of life.”

The solution, he thinks, is to adopt what the University of Toronto’s Thomas Homer-Dixon calls a “prospective mind” — an intellectual stance that is “proactive, anticipatory, comfortable with change, and not surprised by surprise.”

In short, if we are to be good, future problem solvers, we must not be blinded by prophecy.

“I think [this stance] opens up the possibility for a more emotional and therefore more effective response,” Dr. Orrell said. “There’s a sense in which uncertainty is actually scarier and more likely to make us act than if you have bureaucrats saying, ‘Well, it’s going to get warmer by about three degrees, and we know what’s going to happen.’”

© National Post 2007


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cerc; environment; environmentalism; gaia; globalwarming; green; kyoto; letswarmtheglobe; neopaganism; religion; religiousleft; theypraytogaia
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The above article, along with the illustration, ran on the front page of today's National Post which backed it up with the Editorial "The folly of Kyoto" & several opinion pieces including "Kyoto is economic suicide as is: Liberal adherence makes no sense unless all countries are signed on".

1 posted on 02/10/2007 8:10:34 AM PST by GMMAC
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2 posted on 02/10/2007 8:12:42 AM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

I can't decide if that's the most hilarious picture I've seen all day or the most disgusting.


3 posted on 02/10/2007 8:13:35 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: GMMAC
Actually I liken it to the people's temple and Al Gore is their Jim Jones.

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4 posted on 02/10/2007 8:15:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: GMMAC

Algore invented sainthood.


5 posted on 02/10/2007 8:17:10 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: GMMAC

I was thinking that it was the new inquisition!


6 posted on 02/10/2007 8:18:02 AM PST by e_castillo
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To: GMMAC

No, it's not a new religion but rather a reframing of the one established by Marx, Engels and Lenin.


7 posted on 02/10/2007 8:19:16 AM PST by Aikonaa
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To: GMMAC

Any time humans are confronted with situations that they cannot explain, they form religions from it.


8 posted on 02/10/2007 8:21:02 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: cripplecreek

9 posted on 02/10/2007 8:24:13 AM PST by COBOL2Java ("No stronger retrograde force exists in the world" - Winston Churchill on Islam)
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To: GMMAC

And a wacko religion at that.


10 posted on 02/10/2007 8:25:12 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: GMMAC

What happens when Deep Environmentalism meets Islam?


11 posted on 02/10/2007 8:26:38 AM PST by stboz
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To: stboz
"What happens when Deep Environmentalism meets Islam? "

Radical feminism & homosexuality too!
Nothing beats watching the conflicted left's client constituencies running headlong into each other!

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12 posted on 02/10/2007 8:40:17 AM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: stboz
What happens when Deep Environmentalism meets Islam?

Bloody green mulch.
13 posted on 02/10/2007 8:44:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: stboz

Ah! Now that is the question for the century.


14 posted on 02/10/2007 8:44:05 AM PST by Albertafriend
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To: GMMAC

Yes,Enviroism is a new religion and its taking intimidation lessons from Islam.


15 posted on 02/10/2007 8:44:58 AM PST by madison10
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16 posted on 02/10/2007 8:45:16 AM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: GMMAC

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17 posted on 02/10/2007 8:47:05 AM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: GMMAC

I’m so pleased that this type of analysis of the modern environmentalist movement is beginning to show up in the media. There is a great amount of truth and insight in this article. People need to wake up to the fact that environmentalism is morphing into an apocalyptic faith devoid of facts based on traditional scientific method. The secular Left is promoting the movement as a substitute for religion which they have abandoned.


18 posted on 02/10/2007 9:08:52 AM PST by Unmarked Package (Amazing surprises await us under cover of a humble exterior.)
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To: GMMAC
By destroying pagan animism [the belief that natural objects have souls], Christianity made it possible to exploit nature in a mood of indifference to the feelings of natural objects,” he wrote in a 1967 issue of . “Since the roots of our trouble are so largely religious, the remedy must also be essentially religious, whether we call it that or not.” It was a prescient claim. In a 2003 speech in San Francisco, best-selling author Michael Crichton was among the first to explicitly close the circle, calling modern environmentalism “the religion of choice for urban atheists ... a perfect 21st century re-mapping of traditional JudeoChristian beliefs andmyths.”

It is time to insist on a seperation of religion and state

have you noticed the media saying they are "praying to the (walmart, paint, tile, weather, etc.) gods?

19 posted on 02/10/2007 9:12:29 AM PST by Convert (Praying for a swift, honorable,merciful,charitable victory with peace founded on God's Mercy and Law)
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To: GMMAC
But he understands the unjustified faith that arises from the psychological need tomake predictions.

Back in the 1700s, David Hume claimed that cause and effect is merely a psychological phenomenon of learned expectation.

20 posted on 02/10/2007 9:14:41 AM PST by Vision Thing (I question the content of a liberal's character.)
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To: e_castillo
I was thinking that it was the new inquisition!

IT IS! IT IS!

"THE ENVIROMENTALIST INQUISTION"

THAT IS GREAT - did you come up with that yourself?

21 posted on 02/10/2007 9:16:17 AM PST by Convert (Praying for a swift, honorable,merciful,charitable victory with peace founded on God's Mercy and Law)
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To: Beowulf

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22 posted on 02/10/2007 9:20:15 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: GMMAC
Dr. Orrell is no climate-change denier.

Well, thank Gaia for that... they'd have to apply the thumb-screws until he recanted, otherwise.

( /sarc )

23 posted on 02/10/2007 9:26:46 AM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear (Free the Mooninite 9!)
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To: cripplecreek

Soylent Green!

Let's feed the Carbon Dioxide spewing enviro-whackos to the muzzies!


24 posted on 02/10/2007 9:28:08 AM PST by Philistone
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To: GMMAC
Thanks for the post. It is thought provoking. I agree with most, but disagree with some. There are many contributors. I agree with many of the contributions.

Vancouver-based author and mathematician David Orrell set out to explain why the mathematical models scientists use to predict the weather, the climate and the economy are not getting any better, just more refined in their uncertainty.
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The track record of any kind of long-distance prediction is really bad, but everyone’s still really interested in it. It’s sort of a way of picturing the future. But we can’t make long-term predictions of the economy, and we can’t make long-term predictions of the climate.
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When models about the future climate are in agreement, “it says more about the self-regulating group psychology of the modeling community than it does about global warming and the economy.”


Bravo! I came to the same conclusion. My academic background is economics, but I’ve followed the global warming debate. Economists learned a little humility in the 70’s and 80’s. I remember a statement about one economist. “It’s a good thing he won his Nobel prize when he did in Forecasting. A year later, and he would have had to apply under Mythology.” Have climatologists learned anything from their seesawing predictions of global cooling, global warming, global cooling, global warming?

Dr. Orrell sketched the rise of “the gospel of deterministic science,” a faith system that was born with Isaac Newton and died with Albert Einstein.

Unfortunately, the gospel of deterministic science still reigns in many sciences, and science discussions. It seems that neural science takes the view that all is brain. Little, if anything, is mind. All is determined with all significant causation flowing one way from brain to mind. Implication - no free will. Newton would not agree, but his contribution in finding an orderly, clockwork universe has been misapplied.

Princeton history professor named LynnWhite wrote “By destroying pagan animism [the belief that natural objects have souls], Christianity made it possible to exploit nature in a mood of indifference to the feelings of natural objects,”

Noted.

Joseph Brean (Journalist?) - Environmentalism even has its persecutors, embodied in the Bush White House attack dogs who have conducted no less than an Inquisition against climate scientists.

I think this story is basically backwards. Far more pressure has been brought to bear against “global warming deniers” than on those who go with the flow.

Joseph Brean (Journalist?) - It is in the schism that has arisen over whether to renew or replace Kyoto

Kyoto remains on the map. It is my understanding that the protocol was never adopted.

Joseph Brean (Journalist?) - This is not to say that fearing for the future of the planet is irrational in the way supernatural belief arguably is

Let me help you out Joe. Change it to: This is not to say that fearing for your soul is irrational in the way that fearing for the future of the planet arguably is.

All in all, not a bad article.
25 posted on 02/10/2007 9:46:25 AM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan defeated the Soviet Union despite the Democratic party. We could use another miracle.)
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To: GMMAC
......in its myths of the Fall and the Apocalypse, its saints and heretics, its iconography and tithing, its reliance on prophecy, even its schisms — the green movement now exhibits the same psychology of compliance as religion.


26 posted on 02/10/2007 9:49:28 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: Convert

"did you come up with that yourself?"

Yes I did... I think... You know how that goes. I may have heard it somewhere but the feeling I have is that any Scientist that dares to question the latest fad is called a heretic.


27 posted on 02/10/2007 11:02:54 AM PST by e_castillo
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How many winds of doctrine have we known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking. The small boat of the thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves - flung from one extreme to another: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism and so forth. Every day new sects spring up, and what St Paul says about human deception and the trickery that strives to entice people into error (cf. Eph 4: 14) comes true.

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28 posted on 02/10/2007 12:00:12 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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Eeeeek! That's the scariest thing I think I've ever seen!


29 posted on 02/10/2007 12:05:10 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: GMMAC
A religion? Take a look at this table from Point Carbon and note the terminology...


30 posted on 02/10/2007 12:17:23 PM PST by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: NYer; GMMAC
Excerpt from
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html

JESUS CHRIST
THE BEARER OF THE WATER OF LIFE

A Christian reflection
on the “New Age”


An extraordinary amount of energy has gone into the effort to overcome the division into compartments characteristic of mechanistic ideology, but this has led to the sense of obligation to submit to a global network which assumes quasi-transcendental authority. Its clearest implications are a process of conscious transformation and the development of ecology.(30) The new vision which is the goal of conscious transformation has taken time to formulate, and its enactment is resisted by older forms of thought judged to be entrenched in the status quo. What has been successful is the generalisation of ecology as a fascination with nature and resacralisation of the earth, Mother Earth or Gaia, with the missionary zeal characteristic of Green politics. The Earth's executive agent is the human race as a whole, and the harmony and understanding required for responsible governance is increasingly understood to be a global government, with a global ethical framework. The warmth of Mother Earth, whose divinity pervades the whole of creation, is held to bridge the gap between creation and the transcendent Father-God of Judaism and Christianity, and removes the prospect of being judged by such a Being.

In such a vision of a closed universe that contains “God” and other spiritual beings along with ourselves, we recognize here an implicit pantheism. This is a fundamental point which pervades all New Age thought and practice, and conditions in advance any otherwise positive assessment where we might be in favor of one or another aspect of its spirituality. As Christians, we believe on the contrary that “man is essentially a creature and remains so for all eternity, so that an absorption of the human I in the divine I will never be possible”.(31)
31 posted on 02/10/2007 12:22:33 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: NYer

It is decidedly NOT a new religion. It is an offshoot of Pantheism (Gaia, Mother Earth) which pre-dated paganism. That is why some scholars argue that we have gone beyond paganism and are pre-pagan. Gads, even the Greeks worshipped gods instead of omnipresent, pulse-beating, "every atom within a living, breathing earth" as AlGort does.

It is very creepy to me. So is he, for that matter.


32 posted on 02/10/2007 12:38:46 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: cripplecreek

Good point (and good pic's). Although we think of the final Jonestown kool-aid disaster and cult-mentality insanity, Jones did advocate for the disadvantaged, and did a lot of service that showed he "walked the walk" and believed his talk, probably much more so than jet-fuel burnin' Gore. He had a lot of political backers, including but not limited to Jerry Moonbeam Brown, and did a lot "for the children," too.


33 posted on 02/10/2007 12:43:57 PM PST by MonicaG (In hoc signo vinces. The whole world will see justice done.)
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To: Convert; e_castillo
"Environmental Inquisition" --- I see what you mean, and it's a good phrase--

My only regret is that it's kind of an insult to the real Inquisition, which Baylor University sociologist Rodney Stark and St. Louis Unversity historian Thomas Madden say had higher standards of procedural due process, more protection for the accused, higher rates of acquittal, and more lenient sentencing than any of the courts of Europe at that time.

That second link, especially, is worth a look.

It comes as a surprise to many, but the Inquisition was (from a historical point of view) a progressive force for rationality and justice in law: compared, as I say, to monarchial and feudal courts.

34 posted on 02/10/2007 12:44:22 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (I'm just sayin')
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To: Unmarked Package

"I’m so pleased that this type of analysis of the modern environmentalist movement is beginning to show up in the media. There is a great amount of truth and insight in this article. People need to wake up to the fact that environmentalism is morphing into an apocalyptic faith devoid of facts based on traditional scientific method. The secular Left is promoting the movement as a substitute for religion which they have abandoned." ~ Unmarked Package

They're true believers - no doubt about it.

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Star Tribune.com Minneapolis - St. Paul, Minnesota 2/8/07
Last update: February 07, 2007 – 9:24 PM
http://www.startribune.com/191/story/988141.html

Environmentalists have embarked on a secular crusade
By Katherine Kersten, Star Tribune

A recent issue of a magazine from one of Minnesota's Lutheran colleges features a picture of the campus pastor, wearing a beanie with a propeller on it. He is leading what the magazine calls a "congregation" of students in a dedication "service" at the foot of a giant new wind turbine that provides power to the campus.

At one point the pastor asked the students to raise their own miniature pinwheels. I could almost imagine them all being suddenly borne aloft by a gust of prairie wind during the closing verse of a great old Lutheran hymn.

Scenes like this are becoming commonplace, as environmentalism and religion intersect in ever increasing permutations. Last week, Catholic and Lutheran leaders joined polar explorer Will Steger and several scientists to lobby the Minnesota Legislature on what the religious leaders called the moral imperative of addressing climate change.

Wind turbines at Christian colleges, solar panels by church steeples and religiously inspired prairie restorations -- all are fine things. Christianity and Judaism teach that human beings have an obligation to be good stewards of the natural world and its resources.

Sometimes, however, it seems something more is going on.

We see it in the apparent eagerness of some "people of faith"' to embrace worst-case environmental scenarios.

We hear it in their crusading zeal as they proselytize others, for example, to attend a screening of Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" in the church basement.

Environmental issues are complex, and often involve data that are open to different interpretations.

Yet in some religious circles, if you raise a skeptical question about, say, global warming (a highly debated subject), you are spurned as if you've committed heresy.

Robert H. Nelson, a professor of environmental policy at the School of Public Policy of the University of Maryland, has often rubbed shoulders with environmental true believers. In his view, contemporary environmentalism, in its extreme forms, has become a "secular religion." Nelson likens it, in important respects, to Christian fundamentalism of the sort derived from the Protestant Calvinism of America's Puritan ancestors.

Today's "environmental gospel" is best understood as "Calvinism minus God," says Nelson. In essence, it retells the biblical creation story in secular dress: Human beings were created in harmony with the world, but then were tempted into evil. Now they spread corruption and depravity, and, as a result, face disaster and perhaps the end of the world.

As environmental true believers see it, the Earth was originally a pristine Garden of Eden. Then the Fall intervened. Human beings embraced science and technology, and pridefully disrupted God's Creation. At the same time, human greed led to material addictions -- an echo of the Puritans' deep skepticism about money and wealth, Nelson points out. Today, many environmentalists regard an excess of consumption as one of the modern world's greatest sins, he says.

The result? Human beings now face retribution -- flood, famine, drought and pestilence. These, Nelson notes, are the "traditional instruments of a wrathful God imposing a just punishment on a world of many sinners."

Only a great moral awakening can save humankind. Who will redeem us? God's holy, self-appointed instruments -- his environmental prophets.

The environmental gospel has a strong appeal, especially for contemporary men and women who are turning away from traditional religion. The green crusade satisfies the universal human hunger for meaning. At the same time, it asks little of believers: no tough commandments about forgiving your neighbor or not coveting his wife. Instead, it offers rituals like recycling and (for those who aspire to sainthood) biking to work. The larger society will pay the serious costs of redemption.

There are more sensible approaches to environmental problems than the environmental gospel. Without viewing human beings as inherently wicked, or environmental problems as a righteous clash between good and evil, citizens and leaders could tackle environmental issues as public policy challenges whose solution requires a careful weighing of scientific data and the costs and benefits of various responses.


35 posted on 02/10/2007 12:50:13 PM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: GMMAC

Facinating.


36 posted on 02/10/2007 1:14:47 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: Frank Sheed; NYer

Look , they have a whole group of Evangelicals working with them.

Evangelical Environmental Network &
Creation Care Magazine
Global Warming
http://www.creationcare.org/resources/climate/

Including Rick Warren
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/national/08warm.html?ex=1171256400&en=d2c297203fb07bbe&ei=5070


37 posted on 02/10/2007 1:36:29 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: e_castillo
"THE ENVIROMENTALIST INQUISTION"

Write a book or something

That is a great term

38 posted on 02/10/2007 1:52:24 PM PST by Convert (Praying for a swift, honorable,merciful,charitable victory with peace founded on God's Mercy and Law)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Environmental Inquisition" --- I see what you mean, and it's a good phrase-- My only regret is that it's kind of an insult to the real Inquisition,

Yes, but the connation is perfect

39 posted on 02/10/2007 1:56:30 PM PST by Convert (Praying for a swift, honorable,merciful,charitable victory with peace founded on God's Mercy and Law)
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To: GMMAC

I was just telling my husband this, on the way to Costco this morning!


40 posted on 02/10/2007 2:29:37 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Both and right on about a secular leftist religion. They will go to a Biblical, saving the whales and stopping global warming. Or not on saving and stopping.


41 posted on 02/10/2007 2:34:01 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Frank Sheed
Thanks for the post.

It is very creepy to me. So is he, for that matter.

Even more so to parents of children growing up and being indoctrinated into this mode of thinking by state and national educational institutions. It can be worse at the private level.

42 posted on 02/10/2007 3:38:19 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Convert
"Environmental Inquisition" --- I see what you mean, and it's a good phrase-- My only regret is that it's kind of an insult to the real Inquisition..."
Yes, but the connotation is perfect

True. It's like calling the Gorebots the "Climate Evangelicals" or Climate Fundamentalists." Everybody knows what you're getting at, but still, it's unfair to actual (Christian) Fundamentalists, who historically (since the publication of "The Fundamentals" in 1915,) have had neither the power nor the inclination to coerce and bully non-believers, as the --- er --- "Climate Fundamentalists" do.

Hm. "Climate Jihadis," maybe?

43 posted on 02/10/2007 3:54:38 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (I'm just sayin')
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To: NYer; All
In a 2003 speech in San Francisco, best-selling author Michael Crichton was among the first to explicitly close the circle, calling modern environmentalism “the religion of choice for urban atheists ... a perfect 21st century re-mapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.”

The more this author-physician utters, the more my admiration rises for his intellect. He is going to be the sage of the early 21st century. His stance on many things is dead on.

When people see no disconnect in killing their pre-born children, but consider it a capital crime to fell a tree in an "old stand" forest, there is some serious schizophrenia going on. We aren't at rock bottom yet, but I can see it from here.

Speech on Global Warming in 2003

44 posted on 02/10/2007 3:55:23 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Environmental Inquisition" --- I see what you mean, and it's a good phrase-- My only regret is that it's kind of an insult to the real Inquisition..." Yes, but the connotation is perfect

True. It's like calling the Gorebots the "Climate Evangelicals" or Climate Fundamentalists."

Acually the cooperation the EI's receive from Jesuit Colleges and Universities makes the inquisition term even more appropriate.

Like a priest friend of mine once said when I told him someone had asked if he was a Jesuit: "Did you tell her, no, that I'm Catholic?"

45 posted on 02/10/2007 4:01:12 PM PST by Convert (Praying for a swift, honorable,merciful,charitable victory with peace founded on God's Mercy and Law)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

"higher standards of procedural due process"

Ouch... The second article is interesting and comes form a trusted source. The article makes the liberals out to be tha bad guys. Imagine that! Thanks for the info. Now I'm not so sure about the phrase!

It does make a good tagline :)


46 posted on 02/10/2007 5:06:41 PM PST by e_castillo (We should fear the Environmental Inquisition...)
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To: Convert; Mrs. Don-o
"THE ENVIROMENTALIST INQUISTION"

I like it. Use at will...

On a serious note the effects of this inquisition on Scientific discussion are going nowhere but downhill. It seems that every day we here about the need to fire some local weather caster because he brings up inconvenient truths about climate change. I find myself looking for articles that have some scientific basis in order to make good judgments and rarely find anything.

Had to modify the tag line..
47 posted on 02/10/2007 5:15:23 PM PST by e_castillo (We should fear the Environmentalist Inquisition...)
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To: Frank Sheed

Government school, the Grand Secular Inquisitor, is its most influential evangelist; by inoculating children against genuine religious faith, it leaves them hungering to suck up whatever they are fed.


48 posted on 02/10/2007 6:40:24 PM PST by Mmmike
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To: ChessExpert
Have climatologists learned anything from their seesawing predictions of global cooling, global warming, global cooling, global warming?

Yes, they learned to do what's right out of The Charlatan's 101 Handbook, What every fake psychic and would be prophets have learned a long time ago.

Instead of one or two specific predictions that should occur in the near future, instead they

1) Make dozens to hundreds of predictions
2) Make them over a long period of time

You make a lot predictions because just by pure chance some of them are bound to come true, when they do you highlight your "hits" (even if you hit only last a year or 2) while downplaying your misses, but if you are called out on your misses that's why you make them over a long period of time because then you can just claim "Well, it just hasn't happened yet" and by the time your time frame is up you and everyone else is long dead and gone.

49 posted on 02/10/2007 6:57:54 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: e_castillo

Could the EIB network stand for Enviromental Inquistion Busters network?


50 posted on 02/10/2007 7:09:25 PM PST by Convert (Praying for a swift, honorable,merciful,charitable victory with peace founded on God's Mercy and Law)
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