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Game Console wars: Pressure on Sony PS3 Mounts (which would you pick?)
I4U.com ^ | Posted on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:00:00 CST | None given

Posted on 02/10/2007 3:27:46 PM PST by Caipirabob

Since the dust has settled after the Sony PS3 launch last November I started to feel that the Sony PS3 did not deliver on Sony's promises. For me the only good points right now are the Blu-ray drive and that the games look neat in HD, but game play is not that much different from playing PS2 games.

The pressure on Sony is mounting to deliver games that are leveraging the magic powers of the CELL CPU. Several negative Sony PS3 reports appeared over the last couple of days that put their finger in different PS3 wounds. See examples of negative Sony PS3 headlines below.

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I'm posting this because I am pondering purchasing one of the platforms. Any thoughts on which one? I was thinking an XBOX 360 for me and a Wii for the kids later on. I was interested in the XBOX because I have a bunch of friends (well off, in their 40's with family for demo purposes...) who use the XBOX 360 on-line with Call Of Duty 3.

The day of the superbowl I sat down while one of them demoed the on-line capabilities. I've always been a PC guy but the HD graphics blew me away. Anyone else seen this stuff? It's impressive...

So yeah, I have a life, bust my tail working and when I'm not doing baseball, cubscouts, brownies, gynastics or rennovating another room, I screw around on the computer. : )

Today I finished installing a wood floor in my sons room and stained his new wooden doors and baseboard. Tomorrow I hang the door and install the BB. Ever try to type after doing something like that? Ouch...

Heck, I can't move after all that anyways...

Please share your thoughts on the console wars.

1 posted on 02/10/2007 3:27:49 PM PST by Caipirabob
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To: Caipirabob

Right now the 360 easily.

More games, programmers (Third party) have a better grasp of the architecture, 360 has a better GPU and RAM setup.

PS3 is full of bottlenecks. Has RAM issues weaker GPU and as of now less games which is the most important aspect of picking a console.


2 posted on 02/10/2007 3:34:32 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Caipirabob
All I can tell you is this: back when it was Xbox vs. PS2, I went back and forth like a game of pong (D'OH!). At the end of the day, I said the heck with it and picked up one of each.

I saw NBA Live 07 as a demo at Best Buy a couple of weeks ago using a flat panel display (HD) and I was amazed at how good that looked (and I hate basketball). Made me want to buy it right there, though. Of course the $899 price tag and the fact they didn't have any in stock was a blessing. I would have suffered a similar fate as that of John Wayne Bobbitt when I got home.

Good luck with your decision. :)
3 posted on 02/10/2007 3:35:31 PM PST by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: Caipirabob

I'm building a home theater room right now, and have the same questions as I want to install a gaming system. I'm leaning towards the 360; the graphics seem better, and the games are more interesting.


4 posted on 02/10/2007 3:37:07 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Caipirabob

How does the Atari 2600 look in HD ?


5 posted on 02/10/2007 3:40:43 PM PST by Carl LaFong ( Hi !)
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To: Caipirabob
The real selling point of the consoles is the video card aspect. All the games will be written for the consoles card capabilities. Unlike the PC game industry which seems to drive the VC industry. So basicaly you're investing in a video card platform.

Your observations are all spot on. Unless Sony can come up with a "Zelda" all they are is an expensive HD Blu ray Ps2.

6 posted on 02/10/2007 3:41:27 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being)
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To: RedCell; rollo tomasi; snowrip
I'm leaning XBOX 360 because of peer pressure.

My wife is Colombiana just like Lorena was. If I see here sharpening knives I'll begin to worry, but so far, she's been OK when I announced my intent.

I was seriously blown away by what I saw on the XBOX 360. The PS3 doesn't really impress me because I don't see anything that immediately says it's any better than the XBOX coming out a year later.

7 posted on 02/10/2007 3:41:49 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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How does the Atari 2600 look in HD ?

Like exceptionally well defined squares?

8 posted on 02/10/2007 3:42:57 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: snowrip
Careful with what type of display you go with as I think (not sure) plasma may still have the issue of burn-in when doing gaming.

You may find info on that and more here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/

I got just about everything I needed to know about building my media room from there. It's a great community where you can interact with those that have been there and those that are going through the building process. People are very helpful and there's a lot of knowledge to draw upon.

Good luck!
9 posted on 02/10/2007 3:43:22 PM PST by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: rollo tomasi

PS3 is full of bottlenecks

This must be why my 11 year old son has asked for a Nintendo Wii for his birthday, he said the PS3 games are not that great. Who knew?


10 posted on 02/10/2007 3:43:59 PM PST by brwnsuga
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To: Caipirabob

Didn't read all the responses, but Mr. Cat is a PS fanatic. He's been waiting and waiting for the PS3...and ended up getting the XBOX 360, instead. We felt it was the better deal, and he's been very satisfied.


11 posted on 02/10/2007 3:46:05 PM PST by conservative cat
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  I make video games, currently working for Electronic Arts on the latest Command & Conquer. Last year, the prediction was that Sony would win the next-gen war, that the PS3 would be the dominant console, just like the PS2 was.

  That is no longer the case. The extremely strong performance of the Wii, combined with the miserable performance of Sony has revised pretty much everyone's expectations. Right now, most of us here think the 360 will be on top for this generation, with the battle for second place between Sony and Nintendo (and that's a major shock, as we'd nearly written Nintendo off for the non-handheld market.) Most of us still think Sony will beat off Nintendo, simply due to the older graphics on the Wii, but it's not a sure thing.

  My opinion - get the 360 and/or the Wii. Skip the PS3 unless there's a big change in the near future.

Drew Garrett

12 posted on 02/10/2007 3:48:00 PM PST by agarrett
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To: Carl LaFong
How does the Atari 2600 look in HD ?

Like this...but realllly stretched out :o).

13 posted on 02/10/2007 3:49:20 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: brwnsuga

I am an absolute non-gamer, but down the road I could see getting a Wii for the physical involvement. IMHO that is the future. The holodeck is on the horizon.


14 posted on 02/10/2007 3:49:23 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Caipirabob

I don't have a preference, but if you go to the Beaches Resort at Turks and Caicos Islands, they have a game room where XBox features a lot its upcoming games. The game room is over by the Pirate ship area. I spent about 4 hours in there, one afternoon, just playing video games. Yes, all the games are free, just peel the anklebiters away from the game you want to play.


15 posted on 02/10/2007 3:52:17 PM PST by rabidralph (Hoo-ray, Beer!)
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To: Caipirabob

I'd pick a Wii #1, a 360 #2, a PC #3...

Sony's late to the game, too expensive, and is going to have a hard time gettng games onto the platform. Unfortunately, when it comes to these gaming system market penetration has as much to do with the "right choice" as technical quality.


16 posted on 02/10/2007 3:52:20 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: brwnsuga
Once programmers figure out their way around the PS3 better graphics will come out.

The Wii is a fun system which is the purpose for playing games in the first place.

Of course graphics are very important to enhance the experience but not the end all/be all of video games.
17 posted on 02/10/2007 3:59:11 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

What bottlenecks? It's design is different but it doesn't make it inferior. They're both on par overall with the 360 having an edge with the current crop of games because the developers haven't tapped into the cell's strongpoints.


18 posted on 02/10/2007 4:13:18 PM PST by Bogey78O (Nifong's final appeal before St. Peter should get tossed.)
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To: rollo tomasi

The XBOX360 is on it's 3rd generation of titles. The PS3 is on par with it's 1st gen. That leaves a lot of room for growth.

360 has the edge in price, amount of games, and installed user base. The PS3 is catching up. Already they're only slightly behind the 360 in terms on sales growth.


19 posted on 02/10/2007 4:16:48 PM PST by Bogey78O (Nifong's final appeal before St. Peter should get tossed.)
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To: Caipirabob

I used to be a PC guy myself but found I couldn't play the newest games without upgrading my computer so I plonked down the money for the 360. Oblivion is a great game and so was Call of Duty 2, haven't tried three yet.


20 posted on 02/10/2007 4:18:52 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Caipirabob
If you are gaming on-line with friends, I don't understand the dilemma. It should be about the games. The XBox has an HD DVD addon, so I don't see the PS3 having BlueRay being a big advantage.
21 posted on 02/10/2007 4:19:55 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Caipirabob
My 12 year old son wanted a Wii in the worst way for Christmas. I knew there wasn't a chance we'd find one and I would NEVER pay more than retail on Ebay for one so he got $$ for it instead.

We were lucky enough to happen upon one in Target just 2 days after Christmas. I'm a mom, I don't do games but WOW this thing is a blast. We are all having so much fun with it, we can actually play things as a family.

It's just so innovative as far as video games go. They actually work up a sweat playing some of the games and we laugh and they are so interactive that it is well worth the $$ IMO. I see PS3's all the time in our stores now just sitting there unsold, I'm guessing that after the initial hype most figured they just weren't worth the hefty price tag.

22 posted on 02/10/2007 4:22:34 PM PST by mykdsmom (Some people are like Slinkies..useless, yet still make you smile as you push them down the stairs)
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To: Carl LaFong
How does the Atari 2600 look in HD ?

Aw, excellent. You get like 300 pixels per pixel.

23 posted on 02/10/2007 4:25:05 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Caipirabob

If you go with Sony you are committed to building a BluRay video library which some consider a next generation Betamax, plus the player is integral to the PS3. The 360 however uses an external HD DVD drive format, if the drive has a problem you need not replace an expensive game console.
There is on the horizon dual capable HD players but honestly I would go with the HD DVD format. And just a bit of side info the porn industry has scorned the Bluray in favor of the HD DVD format, and that is a lot of influence believe it or not.
I agree that the better games like Halo, Gears of War and others are presently made for the 360. Sony has gotten a lame horse with the PS3 unless they can produce a lot of true next generation games.


24 posted on 02/10/2007 4:26:48 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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If the PS3 falls behind its going to help kill Blu Ray IMO. HD-DVD will already have the advantage of being backward compatable with all the old DVDs (unless that has changed), and its the name....everyone has DVD ingrained in their brains now. Its only natural..especially since HD and DVD will appear on the disc while blu ray sounds like some freaky Japanese anime. Don't laugh, most of the country aren't tech junkies and have no clue. I am still amazed at the numbers of people who have glazed eyes when you explain what wireless internet is.


25 posted on 02/10/2007 4:29:38 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: Caipirabob

I went out and bought a P/S2 cause they were cheap and I was interested in a couple of games they had which weren't on a PC format.None of the consoles can compare to Pc games,which can be patched and modified.You can even convert them using the same engine and now they have it where you can download the whole game without having to go to the store which I think is great.I downloaded F.E.A.R a couple of weeks ago and want to get the mission pack,which is another thing that's rare with a console.


26 posted on 02/10/2007 4:36:16 PM PST by Uncle Meat
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To: rollo tomasi

Once programmers figure out their way around the PS3 better graphics will come out.

I should hope so.
By-the-way, I totally zone out when my son starts saying, for example:
"Hey, Mom I got to the 5th level and beat the boss because I bought Xariean's lariot"...my reply "That's good baby".... my thought "what the hell is he talking about"


27 posted on 02/10/2007 4:38:38 PM PST by brwnsuga
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To: Caipirabob

The PS3 has a built in blu-ray player and Wi-Fi. The 360 has HD-DVD and wireless add-ons, but they bring the cost of the 360 up to the PS3. I bought the PS3 for the blu-ray since stand alone players were over $1000. I've only played one game on the PS3, and I've never played a 360 game, so I can't comment on game quality. I'm sure the 360 has far more good games out now, but I'm sure the PS3 will catch up in time.


28 posted on 02/10/2007 4:40:08 PM PST by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Bogey78O
Look at the RAM architecture between the two, a bottleneck for the PS3 (Lack of shared RAM between GPU and processor, 250 MB each. While 360 has 512 MB of unified RAM and 10MB of EDRAM to serve as a buffer).

Also the Xenos GPU on the 360 is better than the RSX GPU on the PS3.

PS3 does have a better processor and storage space with the blue-ray though, both are great systems with plus and minuses.
29 posted on 02/10/2007 4:40:09 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: visualops
"I am an absolute non-gamer, but down the road I could see getting a Wii for the physical involvement. IMHO that is the future."

I'm a PC gamer only but my son got a Wii and he's been having a blast with it. Along with every one of his HS buddies. Interesting to see if it will be a passing fad or turn into the future of gaming.

30 posted on 02/10/2007 4:45:50 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Caipirabob

We just got a Wii and it is fun!!!!! My kids really like the Wii, but it is a great family game. It's also not as expensive as the the PS3.

Here's a funny link to a video about the PS3 vs the Wii:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9136575504838642038&q=ps3+vs+wii&hl=en


31 posted on 02/10/2007 4:47:13 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Eye of Unk

FWIW... Blu-ray has pulled even with HD DVD and is outpacing it in terms of sales. Also the porn thing turned out to be much ado about nothing as there is porn available in Blu-ray.


32 posted on 02/10/2007 4:49:18 PM PST by Bogey78O (Nifong's final appeal before St. Peter should get tossed.)
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To: brwnsuga

My 12 year old son and 10 year old daughters love the Wii.

We've had it for a few weeks, and they are having fun with it. My son loves Zelda, one daughter likes Raymand Rabbid Rabbits (?), and my other daughter likes Wii sports. Hubby and I are liking the Wii sports.


33 posted on 02/10/2007 4:50:10 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Crimson Elephant

Eh? Blu-ray players play DVD's too. People confuse the HD DVD/DVD combo discs for as being representative of all discs. Blu-ray could conceivably make BD/DVD discs but the cost of manufacture wouldn't be worth it.


34 posted on 02/10/2007 4:51:07 PM PST by Bogey78O (Nifong's final appeal before St. Peter should get tossed.)
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To: rollo tomasi

I heard it was all subjective to the way the title was developed but I'm not intimitely familiar with the differences in their GPUs so my take on it ain't worth much.


35 posted on 02/10/2007 4:52:53 PM PST by Bogey78O (Nifong's final appeal before St. Peter should get tossed.)
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To: Caipirabob

When the dual-core and quad-core processors start hitting the market, none of these consoles will survive. There are photo-real games coming out for the DC/QC platforms that no console can touch.


36 posted on 02/10/2007 4:57:05 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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The PS3 has Resistance: Fall of Man, easily the best console FPS since Halo (and in many ways better). It takes Gears of War, which I found to be quite overrated, and blows it completely out of the water.

Even so, I could not recommend getting a PS3 over a 360 or Wii right now, because, well, the PS3 doesn't have too many (other) good titles yet and it is so expensive. Really, you are just investing in a console that will not really hit its full potential for another couple of years. If you want the most out of your money right now, get a Xbox 360.

Wii is fun for a while but the novelty is going to wear off soon, unless you have either kids or women who are going to play it. I tell you. The Wii is absolutely perfect getting girls to play video games, if you for some reason wanted to do that. A video game system where flailing your arms and frantically moving the controller around is actually a part of the game? Brilliant! ;D
37 posted on 02/10/2007 5:09:54 PM PST by Zeon Cowboy ("Show me just what Muhammad brought... and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.")
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You want the wii. Loads of fun. We have about 7 games for it and wii sports has everyone crazy especially tennis and bowling. We've played Madden football and it is a real charge to actually throw passes using the remote. I would suspect all the sports titles that will be made to take advantage of the wii motion controller are going to be fun, Can't wait for Major League Baseball and NHL Hockey.


38 posted on 02/10/2007 5:16:21 PM PST by Xth Legion (Peace is a great alternative, after you've won!)
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To: IronJack
When the dual-core and quad-core processors start hitting the market, none of these consoles will survive. There are photo-real games coming out for the DC/QC platforms that no console can touch.

No, there will just be another generation of consoles that cost less than a good video card for the PC platforms and they'll both keep chugging.

39 posted on 02/10/2007 5:20:56 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Caipirabob

Right choice: Xbox 360 graphically is similar (some would say SUPERIOR in may ways to PS3), PS3 is WAy Expensive $$$$, (I think HD DVD will win the format wars), and I don't like Sony (arrogant, bad culture, inferior tech/quality) IMO. Mind you I dont have either, but I agre with you Wii and 360 are the way to go.


40 posted on 02/10/2007 5:36:11 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: Gunslingr3
I have no doubt the consoles will evolve to take advantage of the DC/QC architecture. But none of the existing platforms can begin to handle these games yet. The Germans have developed some new graphics engine that allows photo-quality imaging, and the Americans have the Havoc physics engine down pat, so gaming is about to get hyper-real.

And look at what it will do the puffed-up mannequins in Hollywood. CGI can replace them all, and let the creative talent put their ideas into motion, rather than have them interpreted through a bunch of vanity filters until they're virtually unrecognizable.

41 posted on 02/10/2007 5:49:52 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Xth Legion
Can't wait for Major League Baseball and NHL Hockey.

My 9 year old son is a Star Wars game fan and he swears that they will have to make a Star Wars Laser sword fighting game for Wii.

42 posted on 02/10/2007 5:54:24 PM PST by mykdsmom (Some people are like Slinkies..useless, yet still make you smile as you push them down the stairs)
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To: IronJack
But none of the existing platforms can begin to handle these games yet.

Neither can existing PCs, so you're not even making an apples to apples comparison. Then start looking at the price to get that performance and it really goes downhill for the PC as a gaming platform.

And look at what it will do the puffed-up mannequins in Hollywood.

Uncanny Valley.

43 posted on 02/10/2007 5:59:07 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
I've got a buddy who just built a dual-core. His two-year-old Alienware was obsolete.

It will cost the console-makers a bundle to incorporate the multi-core processors too. It's not like they're going to make the CPUs cheaper just because they're going into a plastic box instead of a real computer.

44 posted on 02/10/2007 6:05:33 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Bogey78O

Blu Ray players play DVDs? Hmm...I didn't know that. Interesting.


45 posted on 02/10/2007 6:06:58 PM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: mykdsmom

My 9 yr old says the same thing -- seems they are all thinking the same way. It would be a natural for Lucasarts ;-)


46 posted on 02/10/2007 6:28:07 PM PST by Xth Legion (Peace is a great alternative, after you've won!)
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To: Crimson Elephant

yea, but it's largely irrelevant as anyone who buys a player that does HD should be focused more on it's Hd capabilities rather than it's last gen standings. I watch DVD's on my PS3 but only because of ease.

I do want to get a HDMI 1.3 capable receiver so my PS3 can output in uncompressed lossless linear PCM. My understanding is that it's as perfect a sound as you can get in a home theatre. It blows DTS and Dolby completely out of the water.

And it doesn't matter since it's available on HD DVD and Blu-ray but The Searchers looks great in high def.

That's mainly why I'm happy with my PS3. A Blu-ray player that is top notch and all for a price that makes it a steal for what I want out of it.


47 posted on 02/10/2007 6:49:00 PM PST by Bogey78O (Nifong's final appeal before St. Peter should get tossed.)
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To: IronJack

Dont know what you mean about the multi core processors. XBox has a three core 3.2 GHz powerpc and the PS3 has the 7 Core Cell.


48 posted on 02/10/2007 7:31:30 PM PST by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Caipirabob

I would go with the 360, actually I went with the 360. It has currently the most games, a great service called XBox live, however you get some filthy mouthed kids on there.

As far as HD-DVD goes, I got it but am regretting it. The movie selections are extremely limited, only one Studio supports it. Blu Ray has the widest selection. But the great thing about the 360 is that if in the future HD DVD fails MS can simply release a Blu Ray addon if they wished.


49 posted on 02/10/2007 7:38:27 PM PST by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: Caipirabob

We wanted the Wii, but had a hard time getting one around Christmas. We settled on the 360 with no regrets. I have to pry the controllers from the kids to make them go outside. Eventually, I'd like to pick up a Wii for the kids. As for the PS3, the kids don't seem to have any interest - which is good, considering the price tag.


50 posted on 02/10/2007 7:45:42 PM PST by Doc-Joe
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