Giuliani Strikes a Note With California GOP [4 Ovations]

Wshington Post ^ | 02/10/07 | John Pomfret

[BunnySlippers]

Giuliani Strikes a Note With California GOP Testing the Waters, Former N.Y. Mayor Garners 4 Ovations

SACRAMENTO, Feb. 10 -- Rudolph W. Giuliani came west to learn whether his brand of Republican politics has a chance among party members significantly more conservative than himself. By the time he had received a fourth standing ovation Saturday at the California Republican Party convention, the answer seemed clear.

Equating the U.S. fight against terrorism with the Civil War and the Cold War, Giuliani told about 750 of his party's faithful that failure in Iraq would turn that country into a "massive headquarters for terrorism."

"Having had a job where I didn't have any choice but to make a decision," the former mayor of New York said, "prepares you as best you can be prepared to be the president of the United States."

[BunnySlippers]

WaPo excerpted.

Photo at GOP Convention

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Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

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Rudy Giuliani

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[OMalley]

He does well in California (home of rino arnie) and NY (a place that put hitlery in the senate) and this is suppose to prove WHAT exactly to conservative??

[PatrickF4]

Let's see how he plays in South Carolina and Texas. Giuliani represents a conservatism of the wallet. If the Washington Post wants to praise him.... what does that say?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Everyone on FR knows about Rudy's social liberal past. So stop posting the graph. That doesn't deter his supporters, who feel that social issues belong at the local and state level.

The people you need to convince are the people who aren't FReepers and don't usually pay attention to politics.

Good luck!

[jdm]

"Four O's? I'll have what he's having."

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Let's see how he plays in South Carolina and Texas.

Rudy has a network in Texas & the South has warmly received him.

[BunnySlippers]

Arnold was and is reviled by the CA GOP ... not Rudy!!!

FOUR STANDING OVATIONS!

[OMalley]

Just a guess, but i dont think it is so much for the Rudy supporters, but for the undecided here at FR as well as the many thousands of lurkers that arent registered.

[narses]

LOL, the truth about your odd candidate bothers you, doesn't it? Sorry. I will keep telling the truth about him. You may defend the gun-grabbing babykiller all you want. Me, I will simply keep exposing him.

[BunnySlippers]

LOL!!!

Cue Judith Giuliani

[BunnySlippers]

[narses]

"FOUR STANDING OVATIONS!"

During a 45 minute rambling diatribe. He bored them and they needed to get the blood circulating.

[Bahbah]

Hi, BunnySlippers. Put me on the list, please.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

but for the undecided here at FR as well as the many thousands of lurkers that arent registered.

This is a conservative Forum.

So why would there be undecideds? Everyone, including Congressman Hunter, gets wide exposure here.

And the lurkers can make up their minds too, otherwise they wouldn't be "lurkers."

[Enosh]

significantly more conservative than himself

California Republican Party convention

LOL!

Try South Carolina!

[jeltz25]

from the article:

Nevertheless, the Brooklyn-born son of an ex-convict has significant obstacles in his quest to become president.

Gee, I guess his grace period is over. It's one thing to go after him on his views, but now the WaPo has to bring his father into it from day one? Look forward to the italian/ex-con/mafia angle being played to the hilt. By the time the press gets through with him, they'll have the country convinced he's Tony Soprano.

[BunnySlippers]

[ElkGroveDan]

[4 Ovations]

Oh brother. If they had a straw poll at this convention he'd get his clock cleaned. The room was packed with establishment socialites and starry-eyed teens but only a small sampling of actual voting delegates. The conservative activists are busy working behind the scenes and in the halls, on a contested race for vice chairman that will be voted on Sunday. This Giuliani thing is nothing more than a sideshow attraction this weekend.

[Barneysbiggestfan]

please add me to the Rudy List...Texas is supporting Rudy :)

[jdm]

LOL, There you go again.

[BunnySlippers]

Done.

Welcome to the Rudy Ping List!!!

[BunnySlippers]

[narses]

I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

LOL, the truth about your odd candidate bothers you, doesn't it? Sorry. I will keep telling the truth about him. You may defend the gun-grabbing babykiller all you want. Me, I will simply keep exposing him.

How does it bother me? I have no problem with Giuliani's social liberalism on some issues because his fiscal/national security/and socially conservative on other issues far outweighs the former.

[ElkGroveDan]

What is your point? California Republicans are among the most conservative in the nation.

[Delphinium]

That's California for ya. They lov their RINOs.

[narses]

Then why does the chart bother you?

[PhiKapMom]

You have been added to the ping list. We are triple teaming the list so one of us will usually be available. We have eastern, central, and western time zones covered! :)

[Democratshavenobrains]

Some people on this site would rather have someone who is at war with abortion doctors than jihadists.

[nctexan]

Your SPAM of issues is tired and quite dopey!

Try this and honestly rate any of the Republican candidates in the hunt against Hillary or Obama.... They all win hands down! Especially on National Defense and understanding the threat is the Islamo-fascist. If you don't see that you're Stevie Wonder blind.

Everybody has their rank order, but here is mine. Compare any of the REP's against the RAT's.

[janetgreen]

If Rudy's here in the land of Mexifornia, he's obviously pandering to the hispanic vote by talking about legalization (amnesty).

No ovation from this conservative! Duncan Hunter for '08.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Then why does the chart bother you?

Because your chart is redundant and a waste of bandwidth. Rudy supporters know about his social liberal past, yet we still support him.

Try posting positively about your candidate, if he's not in Congress bloviating instead of advancing conservatism.

[BunnySlippers]

4 Standing Ovations

Brooklyn Museum Art Controversy

In 1999 Giuliani threatened to cut off city funding for the Brooklyn Museum if the museum did not remove a number of works in an exhibit entitled “Sensation: Young British Artists from the Saatchi Collection.” One work in particular, The Holy Virgin Mary by Turner Prize winning-artist Chris Ofili (a Catholic himself), featured the Virgin Mary next to elephant dung and female genitalia pictures. It was targeted as being offensive to some in the Christian community in New York, leading the artist to comment that "This is all about control."

[Fierce Allegiance]

Not bad for a guy who supports a communist anti-war organization!

[Enosh]

This article is evidence to the contrary.

[Bahbah]

Thanks all for the good work done and that to come.

[jdm]

I hope stonewallvets.org has a lot of bandwidth. That flier sure is getting posted often lately.

[Fierce Allegiance]

Jim Robinson likes it. Got a problem with that?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

There are only 750 Republicans in California???

[PhiKapMom]

Welcome Aboard!

[pollywog]

A California Republican for DUNCAN HUNTER!!!!!!

[BunnySlippers]

You'll see much California GOP bashing on this thread. All your pals I might note.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I would rather have someone who has worn the uniform... like me...

[Fierce Allegiance]

nATIONAL SECURITY? hE SUPPORTS A COMMUNIST ANTI-WAR ORGANIZATION!

[BunnySlippers]

Thank you and WELCOME!!!

[narses]

Good for you. Fight HARD please. We need a military man of sense in the WH. NOT a drag queen.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Some people on this site would rather have someone who is at war with abortion doctors than jihadists.

The thing that kills me (no pun intended) is that the Congressmen running for President did very little to advance conservatism when they were sitting around bloviating in Congress. Now I admire Hunter and his record, but the simple fact is that he's a mere Congressman who should have had hindsight to run for President in 2000 or at least CA Governor to raise his profile. At best, he's VP or Secretary of Defense material. That's why Congressmen or Senators rarely get elected President.