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The Road to Serfdom (Chapter IV)
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| F. A. Hayek
Posted on 02/11/2007 3:21:26 AM PST by Jacquerie
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posted on
02/11/2007 3:21:29 AM PST
by
Jacquerie
To: lilylangtree; facedown; GeorgefromGeorgia; festus; oblomov; P.O.E.; EGPWS; BipolarBob; ...
Hayek ping! Freepmail me if you would like to be added or removed from the Hayek ping list.
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posted on
02/11/2007 3:26:29 AM PST
by
Jacquerie
(To Socialists of all Parties.)
To: Jacquerie
OUTSTANDING! Thank you for posting, Jacquerie.
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posted on
02/11/2007 3:37:05 AM PST
by
PGalt
To: Jacquerie
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posted on
02/11/2007 3:38:05 AM PST
by
sure_fine
( • not one to over kill the thought process™ •)
To: PGalt
Yesterday on C-Span I shuddered as I watched a psychopathic crowd cheer as the Saintly Senator Obama tell us he will give us national health care. It will wreck our economy and push us waaaay down the road to serfdom.
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posted on
02/11/2007 3:44:00 AM PST
by
Jacquerie
(To Socialists of all Parties.)
To: Jacquerie
Can't wait until Dhimmicrat primaries when they "have a conversation", "chat".
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posted on
02/11/2007 3:52:46 AM PST
by
PGalt
To: Jacquerie
I browsed though this book in my high school library 30 years ago and I should read it in full.
Must reading for everyone.
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posted on
02/11/2007 3:54:40 AM PST
by
Nextrush
(Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
To: Nextrush
It sure isn't light reading; I can read and digest but maybe a chapter a day. I am continually amazed at the precision of Hayek's writing.
I am terrified that an Obama/Hildebeast will ride a wave of socialized healthcare to the White House. That it has been a disaster in every country it has been tried will never be discussed in the old media. That awful healthcare will be rationed by access rather than price will likewise be ignored. Oh, and I can almost guarantee that the supremes will find it constitutional.
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posted on
02/11/2007 4:11:59 AM PST
by
Jacquerie
(Beware the Siren Song of Socialized Health Care.)
To: Jacquerie
"What planners generally suggest is that the increasing difficulty of obtaining a coherent picture of the complete economic process makes it indispensable that things should be coordinated by some central agency if social life is not to dissolve in chaos."
This would be absolute truth if the words "the complete economic process" are replaced with "government"; also, replace and the words "some central agency" with "the people".
Therefore, "What the planners generally suggest is that the increasing difficulty of obtaining a coherent picture of government makes it indispensible that things should be coordinated by the people if social life in not to dissolve in chaos."
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posted on
02/11/2007 4:15:10 AM PST
by
moonman
To: Jacquerie
Please add me to this list.
Bookmark for later reading.
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posted on
02/11/2007 4:21:40 AM PST
by
proudofthesouth
(Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
To: Jacquerie
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posted on
02/11/2007 4:28:06 AM PST
by
RaceBannon
(Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 2...GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
To: Jacquerie
I don't want to turn this into a "socialized medicine" debate and I agree with you that, in the present circumstances, government medical care cannot and will not work. I don't see the present circumstances changing either.
However, I have to put in a word for how it used to be. I live in a city in Canada that had a local medical insurance plan run by the doctors themselves. It started after the war. It was cheap as heck and provided everyone who was enrolled (which included everyone) with all that 1950's medicine provided.
Of course, it was a different time. X-rays were just about the only diagnostic test that was available beyond the doctor's hands and his experience. Medical care was really primitive by today's standards, but everyone was cared for. Our city was not full of third world refugees and their exotic and communicable diseases. TB patients, and others with communicable diseases, were quarantined so they could not spread the disease. Think how this would reduce the spread and treatment costs of a disease like AIDS. The system really worked well.
Of course, it couldn't last. The local medical insurance co-op was bought out (it was hugely profitable) by a newly formed provincial agency in the 1960's. The federal government helped to fund the system on a national basis. The bureaucracy grew, the refugees flooded in, new expensive techniques sent costs through the roof, and you can guess the rest.
There is absolutely no doubt that "government medical care" in the 21st century means more expense, waiting periods, and less choice for the consumer. I just want freepers to understand that it was not always like that.
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posted on
02/11/2007 4:44:28 AM PST
by
Former Proud Canadian
(How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
To: Jacquerie
It is no exaggeration to say that if we had had to rely on conscious central planning for the growth of our industrial system, it would never have reached the degree of differentiation, complexity, and flexibility it has attained.It's a great way to create bread-lines though...
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posted on
02/11/2007 4:55:32 AM PST
by
johnny7
("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
To: Jacquerie
A very dangerous situation, considering that corporate leaders like Lee Scott of Wal-Mart now endorse it.
National healthcare would move us back towards the dark ages in medical care, no doubt.
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posted on
02/11/2007 5:03:45 AM PST
by
Nextrush
(Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
To: Former Proud Canadian
On a different tack, I recall this past week a Democrat proposal to empower (IIRC) the Secretary of Transportation to set CAFE miles per gallon standards. Aside from the general desire of Congress to avoid making controversial decisions, the danger of placing such arbitrary power in the hands of an unelected bureaucrat is enormous. A Democrat Prez would appoint of course a greenie leftist bent on social justice, saving the earth, bringing the US down a notch or two, etc.
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posted on
02/11/2007 5:03:56 AM PST
by
Jacquerie
(Democrats soil institutions.)
To: PGalt
Hillary's little village was exactly what Hayek and others were warning us about....
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posted on
02/11/2007 5:57:06 AM PST
by
AdvisorB
To: Jacquerie
The problem we face is that too many of our contemporaries positively yearn for the dull certainties of serfdom.
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posted on
02/11/2007 5:58:20 AM PST
by
headsonpikes
(Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
To: PGalt
Hmph. Chat. Yeah right. More like a lecture on why we are wrong, and they are right (with the implied message that we are too stupid to think and act for ourselves).
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posted on
02/11/2007 5:58:26 AM PST
by
rabscuttle385
(Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
To: headsonpikes
Yes, there are more than a few on this forum who would trade freedom for healthcare or a permanent job.
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posted on
02/11/2007 6:49:36 AM PST
by
Jacquerie
(Democrats soil institutions.)
To: headsonpikes
Absolutely correct.
The problem is that they perceive serfdom as "freedom" - because they want it to be so.
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posted on
02/11/2007 7:06:06 AM PST
by
Prov3456
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