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Environmental Group Launches Anti-Coal Plant Ads
Dallas Business Journal ^ | 02/07/07 | JS Jordan

Posted on 02/11/2007 7:53:42 AM PST by Froufrou

A TV advertisement opposing TXU Corp.'s plan to build 11 new coal plants in Texas begins airing Wednesday in the Waco market, and will air next week in Dallas.

The ad campaign, titled "Profits and Pollution," are being paid for by Environmental Defense, a nonprofit environmental group that is suing the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality over the permit applications process.

The ads are asking viewers to contact their state legislators and ask them to slow down TXU's fast-tracked coal plan. The fast-tracking plan could cut down the regulatory approval process for a new plant to six months. It previously could take 18 months or more to approve a permit.

"TXU's TV ads are full of fear and fiction," said Environmental Defense regional director Jim Marston, in a statement Wednesday. "Our ad sticks to the facts, and the fact of the matter is that TXU's dirty coal plants will make a ring of fire around McLennan County and spew new pollution up to Dallas and down to Austin."

Colin Rowan, a spokesman for Environmental Defense's Austin office, said the ads would run on several stations in Dallas, and the general buy in Dallas would be a little smaller because of the expense.

Rowan said the ads wouldn't exhaust the $400,000 Environmental Defense has budgeted for its various advertising efforts throughout the year.

"TXU's got a bottomless pit of PR money and they've been spending millions of dollars, even before this things became publicly contested," Rowan said. "Now they're just dumping a lot more money into ads that are specific to these power plants and it was time for us to just do what we can to compete. We can't compete with them dollar-for-dollar. But it's certainly a lot cheaper to sell the truth."

TXU spokesman Tom Kleckner called the ads a "misinformation campaign."

"The fact is, Texas has a pressing problem," Kleckner said. "We need reliable, affordable and cleaner power, and we will need it very soon. TXU has a balanced plan that provides needed power, $1.7 billion in lower wholesale prices and state-of-the-art power plants (that are ) 80 percent cleaner than the average U.S. coal plant."

Kleckner added that every delay in the permitting process keeps the older plants online, harming prices and air quality and bringing Texans closer to a power shortfall.

"Rather than offering solutions to address Texas' looming shortfall of reliable electricity supply, ED offers slick tv ads advocating continued delay and denial," Kleckner added. "By lobbying policymakers to postpone action, ED threatens Texas with higher prices, job loss and dirtier air."

Dallas-based TXU (NYSE: TXU) launched its own statewide advertising campaign in January, Kleckner said. The adds are running in Dallas, Houston, Austin and Waco. In some markets, the ads are running on both TV and in newspapers.

Kleckner did not disclose the cost of the ad campaign, but said it would continue for the next few months.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: carbondioxide; climatechange; co2; coal; energy; environment; envirowackos; envirowhackos; globalwarming; greenhousegases; greens; powerplants; texas; tx; txu; wackos
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These ads have plastered the local paper, yet I've heard virtually nothing about these proposed plants.

Is there no end to the sleight of hand being played in Texas?

1 posted on 02/11/2007 7:53:43 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Great .... Play them in China, that's where all the action is... Oh, I forgot , you'll get shot. Never mind.


2 posted on 02/11/2007 7:55:25 AM PST by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: Froufrou

I agree, no more coal plants, build nuclear. I you really want to reduce CO2, nuclear is the only way. If you have an agenda, then my guess is they will protest everything, just because.


3 posted on 02/11/2007 7:56:08 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: Froufrou

Are they going after Bejing also?

China is responsible for the huge growth in greenhouse gasses, mostly from coal fired plants.


4 posted on 02/11/2007 7:57:34 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: MamaTexan; Nathan Zachary; DJ MacWoW; hocndoc; HoustonCurmudgeon; pax_et_bonum; humblegunner; ...

Big government tiptoes past taxpayers again ping!

Note: Think I'll make this an 'official' ping list. It appears it could become high volume. Just p.m. me if you want off, thanks.


5 posted on 02/11/2007 8:01:02 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Paloma_55

Oh, but didn't you know that China is doing that only because we started all this economic growth? It's really our fault - oh the idiocy on the left.


6 posted on 02/11/2007 8:01:31 AM PST by PatrickF4 (Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought. - JP II)
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To: Froufrou

More words of wisdon from the pro oil import environmentalist movement. /sarcasm


7 posted on 02/11/2007 8:03:39 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Paloma_55

But Al Gore gave China a pass on pollution doncha know?
They are still a "developing" nation.
Only the big bad capitalist polluters in America are responsibie for paying for global warming and pollution.


8 posted on 02/11/2007 8:06:25 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44; Tarpon; Paloma_55; PatrickF4

Clinton and portions of the McCain-Feingold, I'm told, are proposing to limit internet and journalistic discourse.

They want to stop us from finding out about these things. As usual, a few bigwigs will be getting very, very fat unless we do something about it now.


9 posted on 02/11/2007 8:08:28 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
TXU needs a bottomless pit of cash to counteract ALL THE FREE PUBLICITY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA gives the environmental koo-koos' leftist, socialists ranting and ravings.

Remember, conservative/Christians, the socialists didn't perish after 9/11--they just had to shut up for a few years to regroup!

10 posted on 02/11/2007 8:08:48 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (Thinketh Like A BILLIONAIRE)
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To: o_zarkman44; Paloma_55

Was that after he invented the internet and before he discovered global warming?


11 posted on 02/11/2007 8:09:21 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Simple, build 15 new nuclear plants instead.


12 posted on 02/11/2007 8:10:19 AM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: Froufrou

We've got plenty of coal here in the US so let's not use that. Instead let's continue to buy oil from people in the middle east who hate and would love to kill us all !!!


13 posted on 02/11/2007 8:11:50 AM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Tarpon
I agree with going to more nuclear power plants but to do it right why should follow how the Japanese have done it. Standardize the plans and don't design a new plant for each proposed site.
14 posted on 02/11/2007 8:12:20 AM PST by SledgeCS (If islam is the ROP then explain to me why the shia and sunni are killing each other???)
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To: Tarpon

Guess what...they'll do that too.


15 posted on 02/11/2007 8:13:07 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: SledgeCS
Amen, that is the model Europe has used for 40 years.

The plants are designed based on generating capacity needed, they don't reinvent the wheel with each new plant.
16 posted on 02/11/2007 8:15:58 AM PST by Rumplemeyer
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To: PatrickF4

---I guess that means we can blame Nixon---


17 posted on 02/11/2007 8:17:08 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Froufrou

What is wrong with 9 new coal fired power plants in Texas?
I heard about this proposal a couple years ago and I live in Missouri. Nobody is hiding anything here.
As with any domestic energy program. Environmental wackos will attempt to stop development and increase our dependence on foreign oil.

I wonder if owning a "cave" timeshare would be appealing to environmentalist wackos. If so I know there are a lot of caves available. Cash only.


18 posted on 02/11/2007 8:17:57 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Froufrou

Will the ping list be called the BOTI ping list (bend over, take it)?


19 posted on 02/11/2007 8:19:39 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I'm shocked the gov't hasn't found an average consumption equation to tax breast milk.)
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To: Froufrou; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; Mrs. Don-o; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off

Click graphic for full GW rundown

~ "If you build it, All will burn" ~

20 posted on 02/11/2007 8:22:13 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: SledgeCS

But that might mean lots of money wouldn't be given to the Friends of Politicians in those different locales... No politician would agree to that.


21 posted on 02/11/2007 8:23:56 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (I'm shocked the gov't hasn't found an average consumption equation to tax breast milk.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Prolly so. [/grip]


22 posted on 02/11/2007 8:40:01 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: o_zarkman44

What's wrong with it? Ask the survivors who've lost coal plant workers.


23 posted on 02/11/2007 8:41:14 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

They should ...in China!

That's where the real polluters are!


24 posted on 02/11/2007 8:42:55 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: airborne

If we don't watch it we will go the way of CA to its energy crsis. We will have lots of green projects that make us feel good instead of the power plants that we need.


25 posted on 02/11/2007 8:45:05 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: o_zarkman44
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26 posted on 02/11/2007 8:47:24 AM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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To: SledgeCS

True, standardized designs are simpler, but may lead to large systems failure if a flaw is found. A far better approach is to require PBMR for new designs designs. PBMR have many good features, they are self limiting, so don't go critical, and they won't work for producing bomb material.


27 posted on 02/11/2007 8:50:18 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: o_zarkman44
Coal plants are cheap to build and cheap to run. Sure they pollute, but isn't TXU's stock price important too? In Texas, we have phony deregulated electricity. TXU/Reliant/OnCor have an ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas) monopoly in what was supposed to be free market competition. I think TXU wants to run the other electric delivery providers out of business and leave TXU producing all of the electricity for Texas.
28 posted on 02/11/2007 8:50:18 AM PST by DalcoTX
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To: ClaireSolt
Plenty of coal here in PA! ;^)
29 posted on 02/11/2007 8:56:04 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: Froufrou
I've heard virtually nothing about these proposed plants

Power plants are usually of little news interest.

30 posted on 02/11/2007 8:58:09 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: Froufrou
Liberals want to shut down civilization and make us go back to wearing bearskins. Its not funny.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

31 posted on 02/11/2007 8:58:17 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Froufrou
The fact is, Texas has a pressing problem," Kleckner said. "We need reliable, affordable and cleaner power, and we will need it very soon. TXU has a balanced plan that provides needed power, $1.7 billion in lower wholesale prices and state-of-the-art power plants (that are ) 80 percent cleaner than the average U.S. coal plant."

Not to mention taxes, jobs, supplies etc. The Environmentalists need to stop, research and study such plants before they scream the sky is falling....also look at their pension plans to see how this could and perhaps is benefiting them.

32 posted on 02/11/2007 9:02:59 AM PST by yoe ("Take No Prisoners" has a lovely ring to it...............)
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To: RightWhale

That's the problem! Journalists are supposed to report the news, not sensationalize it.


33 posted on 02/11/2007 9:04:24 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: yoe; RightWhale

That's a very plausible statement. What I don't like is the secretiveness. Facts would be nice. That it's a boring topic doesn't make it one to be swept under the rug.


34 posted on 02/11/2007 9:06:36 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou; All
Unfortunately, there are certain sets of problems that go along with whatever energy technology is currently in use, be that oil, coal and even nuclear. The "emerging technologies" have problems too, but mainly from a lack of R&D, investment and opposition from the status quo. Patents have been bought and warehoused lest they disrupt the "money flow". There are huge amounts of money to be made from energy, (obviously), so, imho, the fight is on to see how it will all shake out. Monopolies typically do not inspire nor encourage innovation.

Anyone who's interested in this topic may want to look up "Stanford Ovshinsky". He's an inventor, with quite an interesting history. Also, see the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car".
35 posted on 02/11/2007 9:11:27 AM PST by khnyny
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To: o_zarkman44
"But Al Gore gave China a pass on pollution doncha know?
They are still a "developing" nation.
Only the big bad capitalist polluters in America are responsibie for paying for global warming and pollution.

Wouldn't the need for more power (cleaner, more modern coal replacing older, dirtier plants as well) indicate America is a "developing nation" as well?

Growth and demand in China and Russia, India is ok, but growth in America is NOT?
Why?

Still, I'd rather see nuclear plants built whenever possible. Tat does lead to uranium supply problems however, since like il, we'd have to import those too.

36 posted on 02/11/2007 9:19:00 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: khnyny
All you need is a good 2000w inverter, 4 good deep cycle batteries and a small quiet 1000w genset, a solar panel and you can make power your own house fairly cheaply.

As for that electric car thing, there are lot of "conspiracy theory" stories out there. The truth of the matter is, there has never been an efficient one built. (And no, the evil government didn't come take people's inventions away, especially anything Tom Bearden "invented")

37 posted on 02/11/2007 9:33:10 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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If the TXU plants get built, environmentalists predict...

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38 posted on 02/11/2007 10:02:48 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

LOL, imho, this thread isn't about "global warming", but hey, whatever.


39 posted on 02/11/2007 10:12:20 AM PST by khnyny
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To: khnyny

I'm sure the people opposing these plants have CO2 emissions as one of their talking points.


40 posted on 02/11/2007 10:16:24 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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To: ClaireSolt
We will have lots of green projects that make us feel good instead of the power plants that we need.

Won't make any difference. Ms. Rodham is going to "take those profits" and invest them in cockamamie alternate fuels boondoggles.

41 posted on 02/11/2007 10:50:22 AM PST by Ole Okie (Even Planet Mars is warming. Those Mars Rovers are real polluters!)
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To: Tarpon
I was pushing nuclear the other day when it was warm, but this recent arctic blast has changed my mind.

The only way we can avoid another ice age is by switching to the filthiest, most polluting form of energies available, such as high sulfur coal, camel and buffalo dung, and the methane spewed from both ends of the global warming freaks.
42 posted on 02/11/2007 11:02:33 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Democrats: Too stupid to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

LOL! That's naughty, WVMM ;-)

But I believe you nailed it.


43 posted on 02/11/2007 11:06:30 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Democrats: Too stupid to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Mark Twain:

"It’s not the things we don’t know that fool us. It’s the things we do know that ain’t so."


44 posted on 02/11/2007 11:08:58 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: F.J. Mitchell

We could always try to color the icecaps black (as was actually suggested during the last global cooling scare).


45 posted on 02/11/2007 11:11:34 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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To: Tarpon
LOL! Mr. Samuel Clemens had it figured out long before our time. We are in the troubles we are today because he was perceived as a humorist rather than a prophet.
46 posted on 02/11/2007 11:20:34 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Democrats: Too stupid to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

But they have us cornered now. ;-) They call it global warming and the icecaps are already as white as they can get.

Perhaps we can counter this by spray painting the moon and several planets nearest to us , a dull black.

Alas, it's hopeless, because the heat from the melt down of the moon and those planets, would only intensify our global warming.


47 posted on 02/11/2007 11:33:21 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Democrats: Too stupid to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
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To: goldstategop; Froufrou

"want to shut down civilization and make us go back to wearing bearskins".

Too true, too much of it is the desire of the sanctimonious to convert the rest of us, at swordpoint if necessary. If the greenweenie in question won't even discuss "nuclear", not even if you pronounce it "nookiar", he/she is not serious about alternatives. They only want to control your carbon footprint before they jet off to Switzerland, producing enough greenhouse gas for a third world nation in one trip, to an anti-global warming conference.

goldstategop, or anyone interested, forget the regular news. Toward the front of a paper's want ads, check the "official notices". PUC, RRC, and TEQC among others require due public notice and invitation for comment prior to granting a license. If you are actually a customer, you will have received a notice in the bill enclosures you usually toss out unexamined. All else fails, that is what Al Gore invented the internet for.


48 posted on 02/11/2007 11:34:50 AM PST by barkeep (Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
DOOOOOOOOOOOMAGE!!!
49 posted on 02/11/2007 11:47:53 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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To: Froufrou

Related article:

"Baptist group fights Texas coal plants"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782799/posts


(We have coal plants here in NH. They use Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) systems to reduce nitrogen-oxide (NOx) emissions.)


50 posted on 02/11/2007 11:51:45 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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