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Giuliani's Social Views Not Well Known
The Gallup Poll ^ | February 7, 2007

Posted on 02/11/2007 2:52:28 PM PST by don-o

PRINCETON, NJ -- As former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani inches closer to a formal declaration of his candidacy for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, the challenge he faces among Republicans with his support of abortion rights and same-sex civil unions is clear in a recent USA Today/Gallup Poll.

Giuliani is extraordinarily well-liked and respected by the American public. He also ties with or leads Arizona Sen. John McCain as the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in recent Gallup polls. At the same time, his views on abortion and same-sex civil unions are unknown to most rank and file Republicans. Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

(Excerpt) Read more at galluppoll.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008; california; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; gop; medialies; republicans
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Just as I suspected.
1 posted on 02/11/2007 2:52:29 PM PST by don-o
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To: don-o
Giuliani and his IMMORAL positions on issues is precisely what we do NOT need for keep fueling our moral free fall.
Who wants to live in a wealthy Sodom & Gomorrah like society?

I don't. More than tax cuts are needed - restore morality! Giuliani will NEVER get my political vote.
2 posted on 02/11/2007 2:55:38 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: don-o

However, when Republicans are told in the context of the survey that Giuliani supports same-sex civil unions and holds a pro-choice position on abortion, the net effect on their expressed chances of backing him is negative. Knowing his social views, more than 4 in 10 Republicans indicate a reduced willingness to support Giuliani. Twenty-five percent say they would be less willing to vote for him, and 18% say they would rule out voting for him entirely.


3 posted on 02/11/2007 2:56:10 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: nmh



We need a Romney/Rudy dueling thread-a-thon....

That poll shows why no one should be getting to excited just yet, there is a year until the Hawkeye Cauci, all of leading candidates have warts, and these will come out in the time between now and then.


4 posted on 02/11/2007 2:59:11 PM PST by padre35 (I am from the "let's stop eating our own" wing of the Republican Party)
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To: don-o; narses
Wow!

43% Of Republicans, when informed of his views, are unlikely to support him or just rule out his candidacy entirely.

And about as many Republicans think he's Pro-life as do Pro-Choice.

It is just as I suspected. Once they learn the truth about Margaret Sanger's Republican, they run away.
5 posted on 02/11/2007 2:59:27 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: nmh
I don't suspect that we'll turn into S&G in four years. I do believe that we can be overrun and bombed out of existence in that timeframe. Our security is the top issue right now. He may not be on the right side on all the issues, but I don't believe that he's going to go out of his way to turn back the clock on the conservative movement.

When the time comes, I hope the candidate is in better agreement than any of these guys, but when it comes down to it, our security and our survival must be my deciding considerations.

6 posted on 02/11/2007 2:59:34 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (For the children and the flowers are my sisters and my brothers . . .)
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To: Tanniker Smith

My deciding consideration will be protecting the unborn and securing the borders. I won't sell out the unborn children of America by voting for Rudy in the primary or the general election.


7 posted on 02/11/2007 3:05:31 PM PST by nj26 (Secure the Borders and Protect the Unborn! Duncan Hunter '08! (Proud2BNRA))
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To: don-o

Not so fast.

Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/



8 posted on 02/11/2007 3:05:53 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Antoninus

ping


9 posted on 02/11/2007 3:05:54 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: don-o
I think his views puts the moral choice in the hands of the individual.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

While I personally would never have an abortion for my own moral reasons, I won't impose it on anyone else. It is God's job to judge them and if in the end, they judge themselves hsrshly for doing so, so be it. Those that fail to self-judge and repeat the same act will not win God's favor.

With the gay agenda, I tend to see the whole person and if I get to know someone and they choose an alternative lifestyle, it is still not my place to judge. If the individual has a clear and compassionalte heart and treats others as Jesus would, then they are living a more righteous life than those that choose to do Jesus' job here on earth.

While it may be "wrong" in the eyes of God to have an abortion or be gay, it is also wrong to do God's job and to judge, condemn and inflict personal values on another.

There will be no doubt that someone will be tempted to flame me and that, too, is not very Christian.

WWJP

10 posted on 02/11/2007 3:06:11 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: don-o

..right now, it is mainly name recognition--give it a few months, then we'll see...


11 posted on 02/11/2007 3:06:20 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Peach

source? Yer link goes to a FR page.


12 posted on 02/11/2007 3:08:43 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: nj26

Rudy isn't in the position to get pregnant. I think he is wanting women to use their conscience and not impose a given social value. In the end, there would be butcher shops that women that really want to kill an embryo or fetus will find.


13 posted on 02/11/2007 3:09:22 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: don-o

Rudy gets my vote, he was for Alito and Roberts and also likes Scalia...


14 posted on 02/11/2007 3:09:29 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: don-o
giuliani is extraordinarily well-liked and respected by the American public.

Don't include me.

I think he's liberal RINO scum.

15 posted on 02/11/2007 3:11:18 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: don-o

Oh, no! I'll have to look to find it again. I've been posting it on and off for 1-2 weeks now, so it's a relatively old FR thread which linked directly to the poll.


16 posted on 02/11/2007 3:11:52 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

You tore Genesis out of your Bible?

Why not just chuck the rest of it?


17 posted on 02/11/2007 3:12:39 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: nj26

18 posted on 02/11/2007 3:13:54 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
While I personally would never have an abortion for my own moral reasons, I won't impose it on anyone else. It is God's job to judge them and if in the end, they judge themselves hsrshly for doing so, so be it.

Suppose we substitute another situation...does this statement sound legitimate to you?

While I personally would never have an abortion murder for my own moral reasons, I won't impose it on anyone else. It is God's job to judge them and if in the end, they judge themselves hsrshly for doing so, so be it.

19 posted on 02/11/2007 3:14:23 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: DocH
Well, I would prefer to discuss based on issues; not name calling. But, that's just me.

I recognize that my position (no vote for a abortion enabler, ever) is strongly challenged. That's fine.

Some folks say it will be a wash - that Rudy would pick up as many votes as he loses. But, what does that do to the rest of the party candidates and office holders who are left holding the bag?

20 posted on 02/11/2007 3:17:23 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: don-o

I hope that's the case, but I also hope that doesn't default those would-be Rudy supporters over to McCain.


21 posted on 02/11/2007 3:20:30 PM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: don-o

I lived in NYC before and through his term.
It was simply a different city. He has quite liberal views on issues I feel are so important, but the reality is he lowered abortions by making options available. It's hard to reconcile it, but he talks liberal and moves society to the right.
I'll never forget the time, after his wife threw him out of Gracie Mansion (!), how he moved in with a close friend and his 'partner'. He joked about the peaceful household on his weekly radio show... I don't look at what he says, but what he did.


22 posted on 02/11/2007 3:21:50 PM PST by Sarah
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To: nj26
I hope that I won't have to "sell out the unborn children of America " and up until now, that hasn't been a problem.

But I won't sell out the living in America or the country of America so that I can declare as the last bomb falls that I stood up for my principles even as the America fell around me.

That said, once the Muslim extremists take over our country, abortion will be outlawed, so I guess I can go that way, too.

23 posted on 02/11/2007 3:23:51 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (For the children and the flowers are my sisters and my brothers . . .)
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To: NittanyLion

Liberals always ask "what would Jesus do?" then they do exactly the opposite...


What was that little passage that says "suffer the children" ???


24 posted on 02/11/2007 3:24:08 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: NittanyLion
If anotehr doesn't believe that the baby has life and sees no value, I cannot be the one to stand on the corner with a bible in hand and scream like I lost my mind.

If abortion clinics were mandated to ultrasound the baby and force the mother to see him/her kicking those tiny little legs and see the little heart beat at such an early gestation, maybe they would reconsider.

Don't tell me it's murder. I already know it is. Which is why I choose not to and my children hold those same values.

My daughter's dad is doing his best to make my life miserable for not murdering my daughter. I know I made the right choice. He is the one that can't see that, yet pretends to be a good Christian for the dog and pony show of life and it makes me sick.

If someone really wants an abortion, they should make an INFORMED choice. I think an ultrashound would suffice. After seeing for themselves, anyone that can go forward with an abortion has no heart and shouldn't be a parent. The abuse to a living child that is not wanted does more social damage than I can even begin to describe. Either way, the mother or father will go to hell.

25 posted on 02/11/2007 3:25:15 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Tanniker Smith

There is no Islam without Mecca... and nobody has a clue...


26 posted on 02/11/2007 3:25:28 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: don-o
"18% say they would rule out voting for him entirely."

If they had polled them on anti-gun and explained that his pro-abort means butchering children just before their first breath (PBA), add that to the queer agenda and that 18% will become 81%.
27 posted on 02/11/2007 3:27:47 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......Ronnie made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
"If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." (Luke 16:31)
28 posted on 02/11/2007 3:27:47 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
Don't tell me it's murder. I already know it is.

Then I'd expect that you'd recognize it's the legitimate role of government to prohibit it from taking place. Yet for some reason you "cannot be the one to stand on the corner with a bible in hand and scream like I lost my mind".

Do you think it should be within government's purview to enforce any laws at all? If so, which? How do you decide which should be enforced and which should be left to God to judge?

29 posted on 02/11/2007 3:28:19 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Exactly what Jesus would post, eh?

Which part of Mark, Matthew, Luke or John put Jesus up on a soapbox and can you quote Jesus' venomous words?

I didn't think so.

Perhaps you could use a referesher in the book of Malachi. Or has it slipped your mind as to why God sent Jesus in the first place?

Here, let me help you get those books back into your bible.

30 posted on 02/11/2007 3:29:17 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
"his views puts the moral choice in the hands of the individual."

His support for public funding of embrionic stem cell reaserch means, he's force citizen's that see it as immoral, to pay for it. They'd also have to pay for govm't funded abortions. In general, that is his way.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

I have no problem with being judged. Giuliani doesn't support freedom. Here's his take.

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it."

Rudy Giuliani

"While it may be "wrong" in the eyes of God to have an abortion or be gay, it is also wrong to do God's job and to judge, condemn and inflict personal values on another."

It's not God's job they're doing. It's their own. They have their reasons for doing things, just like the gun grabbers that support Giuliani do.

31 posted on 02/11/2007 3:29:33 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
After seeing for themselves, anyone that can go forward with an abortion has no heart and shouldn't be a parent. The abuse to a living child that is not wanted does more social damage than I can even begin to describe.

So, ritual murder before an idol of vanity on the altar of conceit is perfectly fine?

32 posted on 02/11/2007 3:30:21 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: don-o

Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

In the online GOP Bloggers poll, Giuliani is consistently one of the few candidates to end up with a net positive acceptability rating. These internet denizens are well-informed, and overwhelmingly self-describe as conservative (78% self-describe as 7 or higher on a 10-scale of conservatism). If these people can support Rudy, anyone can.

Human Events, Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning,
2/6/07
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780060/posts


33 posted on 02/11/2007 3:33:01 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Kate of Spice Island; NittanyLion
The abuse to a living child that is not wanted does more social damage than I can even begin to describe.

So, go ahead and kill them?

34 posted on 02/11/2007 3:33:34 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: NittanyLion

Bingo!


35 posted on 02/11/2007 3:36:40 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Oh many have a clue. Few would voice it.
But if you want a final fight, and it will be final because they will fight to the last man, than that would be the way.
36 posted on 02/11/2007 3:36:45 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (For the children and the flowers are my sisters and my brothers . . .)
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To: Peach
only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

So we are quibbling about what percentage will not vote Rudy being informed of his views.

37 posted on 02/11/2007 3:37:59 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

We have something they do not...


38 posted on 02/11/2007 3:38:13 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Peach
"Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views."

I think the 16% is way low, but even if true, explain how you win down 16% of your voters?

Have Republicans been winning by such landslides that they can throw away 16% of their voters?
39 posted on 02/11/2007 3:39:21 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......Ronnie made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Unfortunately, ritual abuse to a live human or two or thousands isn't any better. Any ideas as to help the children that don't get aborted? Or how to help the parent that becomes a human tetherball that the child sees getting smacked around?


40 posted on 02/11/2007 3:40:49 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: spunkets

Feel free to keep on passing judgment.


41 posted on 02/11/2007 3:41:50 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Peach
Is Giuliani the Republican Peyton Manning

Last time I checked Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl and he is the Best Quarterback EVER, period...

42 posted on 02/11/2007 3:41:53 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: All
...And if Rudy were not running for president, I would leave him alone. But since he is being "sold" as a 'conservative,' then, we must act. sorry.

BEWARE!... Social-conservatives, Christian conservatives or moral-conservatives of ANY KIND..

********************* WE NEED TO UNITE IN OUR PURPOSE!!! ************************

WHO? I don't know, but here we are, in the middle of the Internet revolution, and yet, I feel as if someone, somewhere, is pulling the strings to elect a LEFTY 'Republican,' leaving us conservatives out of the loop and I DON'T LIKE IT!

Who is calling the shots here?... I guess special interest(s) with $$ MONEY $$, I "hear" it already, someone literally telling me, "Go, go little unimportant people, go home...Leave this to the EXPERTS. We the smart people will let you know when to vote.. go on, get lost! - LOL.

I believe Guliani's CONSULTANTS tactic is simply to DIVIDE the Republicans. To attract as many Lefty Republicans (I still don't get used to the label /s) by selling Mr. Guiliani as the CHAMPION OF NATIONAL SECURITY! to us, but I would not be surprised if we get a new batch of "converts" from the 'other side,' to push him over the top. Either I am paranoid but actually BELIEVE this "adoration," for this guy is orquestrated by some special interest out there. Just because, yes, He cleaned up N.Y. and acted with leadership on 9/11... Great as those things are, does not make him the Republican Presidential candidate by default...HARDLY!

And I should say, if he were a social-conservative (as DUNCAN is) THEN, I would be pushing hard for him!... But as it is... THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL I WILL VOTE FOR HIM!... Because if he gets elected, well, social-conservatives LOSE AND the LEFT WINS... That simple. All true social, Christian or Moral conservatives should above all, DENY our vote to the Left... And Rudy is the LEFT on social issues, and those are our issues.

So let's get excited about the challenge... Because I have this funny feeling that this maybe the first time THE PEOPLE will actually defeat the CONSULTANTES! :)

So Let's do it people. Let's show them we are not the dumb a*** they think we are :)


43 posted on 02/11/2007 3:42:04 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 & Let's not forget, we are all still friends, basically :) despite our differences)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
No, I didn't.

Unfortunatley, psychological abuse is not a crime.

What are the candidates views on that?

44 posted on 02/11/2007 3:42:58 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Echo Talon
"Rudy gets my vote, he was for Alito and Roberts and also likes Scalia..."

Don't stop there, he also put Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg in the same group he likes.
45 posted on 02/11/2007 3:43:26 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......Ronnie made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
"Feel free to keep on passing judgment."

I never needed permission.

46 posted on 02/11/2007 3:44:26 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
"If anotehr doesn't believe that the baby has life and sees no value, I cannot be the one to stand on the corner with a bible in hand and scream like I lost my mind."

Well, since you don't seem to think we should impose judgment on others, I don't suppose you would be judgmental to those who do "stand on the corner with a Bible in hand and scream like they lost their mind", would you? Actually, your description of people who do go to street corners to try to prevent women from murdering their unborn babies is pretty judgmental, don't you think? You apparently equate these caring people as people who have "lost their minds". Why would you judge them so harshly for wanting to do what they feel in their heart is a good thing? Would Jesus advise these women to get abortions? WWJD?????
47 posted on 02/11/2007 3:49:27 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
Feel free to keep on passing judgment.

Jesus spoke of making righteous judgment and knowing by the fruit if one had a good or bad tree.

The fruit of abortion? Dead human beings. I do not believe He approves.

48 posted on 02/11/2007 3:49:58 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: don-o

Good post!


49 posted on 02/11/2007 3:51:34 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: don-o

At the same time, his views on abortion and same-sex civil unions are unknown to most rank and file Republicans.


I don't suppose this has anything to do with his poll numbers.


50 posted on 02/11/2007 3:52:45 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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