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The Rise of the Metro Republicans How McCain, Romney, and Giuliani may redraw the red-blue map.
The Weekly Standard ^ | February 19, 2007 | Noemie Emery

Posted on 02/11/2007 5:15:12 PM PST by Clintonfatigued

Here are the three leading candidates for president in the Republican party, a party based in the South and in the interior, rural in nature, and backed in large part by social conservatives: the senior senator from Arizona, a congenital maverick with friends in the press and a habit of dissing the base of his party; the former governor of deep-blue Massachusetts, son of a Michigan governor, a Mormon who looks, sounds, and comes across as a city boy; and the former mayor of New York, the Big Apple itself, ethnic and Catholic, pro-choice and pro-gun control, married three times, and a man who--Neil Simon, where are you?--moved in with a gay friend and his partner when he was thrown out of Gracie Mansion by his estranged and enraged second wife.

None hails from the South, none looks or sounds country, none is conspicuous for traditional piety, and none is linked closely to social conservatives. At the same time, none is exactly at odds with social conservatives either. None is a moderate, in the sense of being a centrist on anything or wary of conservatives; rather, each is a strong conservative on many key issues, while having a dissident streak on a few. Each has a way of presenting conservative views that centrists don't find threatening, and projecting fairly traditional values in a language that secular voters don't fear. In a country that has been ferociously split into two near-equal camps of voters for at least the past decade, this is no small accomplishment, as it suggests the potential to cross cultural barriers, and therefore extend one's own reach. If one of these men wins, it may mark a return to broader, national parties. And the iconic map of the recent elections,

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1 posted on 02/11/2007 5:15:14 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

It's not true.


2 posted on 02/11/2007 5:17:37 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: BunnySlippers; areafiftyone; new yorker 77; MassachusettsGOP; PhiKapMom; oceanview; ...

This is an interesting way to look at the current make-up of the GOP field. And should McCain, Romney, or Giuliani become the nominee, the electoral map may look different than it has looked for the past couple of elections.


3 posted on 02/11/2007 5:17:38 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued
"...none is exactly at odds with social conservatives either."

The author is delusional.

4 posted on 02/11/2007 5:19:09 PM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

The map would be redrawn for the worse, I fear. Better the devil we know.
A real conservative in the mould of a Reagan or Goldwater would have the cajones to say so and demonstrate so. These guys don't inspire any such confidence or enthusiasm.


5 posted on 02/11/2007 5:21:17 PM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yeah, a bright 'Rat RED. :-|


6 posted on 02/11/2007 5:23:19 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: voletti; JulieRNR21; Peach; Libertarianize the GOP; upchuck; nutmeg; MplsSteve

"The map would be redrawn for the worse, I fear."

Your concern is legitimate. However, Bush is no longer at the level of support he had in 2000 and 2004. It may be that conservatives need to think outside the box and take risks in choosing the 2008 Presidential nominee.


7 posted on 02/11/2007 5:25:50 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued

It is actually possible that Giuliani could be competetive in California.
But if that's the case, I don't know that that speaks well for him.


8 posted on 02/11/2007 5:27:51 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Clintonfatigued

I would like to see the "Law and Order" candidate throw his hat in the ring.


9 posted on 02/11/2007 5:29:07 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Clintonfatigued

"conservatives need to think outside the box and take risks in choosing the 2008 Presidential nominee."

Very very true.



10 posted on 02/11/2007 5:33:01 PM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: bilhosty; Democratshavenobrains; Unmarked Package; Torie; Brilliant; JCEccles

No one should yet be committed to any candidate. I'm not. But I am willing to support one whom I don't agree with on everything to benefit the larger good (not the least of which is keeping Hitlery out of the White House).


11 posted on 02/11/2007 5:35:38 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Lancey Howard

If you are speaking about our former estemed actor-turned senator from TN, Mr Thompson, don't hold your breath. My feeling is he got fed up with DC and the dirty games of politics. I think they got to him with information he never wanted anyone to see (and, no, I don't know what it was).


12 posted on 02/11/2007 5:35:43 PM PST by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I could not agree with you more. Mitt was my governor and he actually did the best that he could in this most socialist of states. He can't compare to the flip flops of J F'n K but I forgive him because he was running against Fat Head Ted at the time he made those statements.
He could never have been elected here in Moonbat hell.
I can't abide Mc Queeg, he is truly a nut.. waiting to be found by a blind squirrel.
Rudy is the Security man which may end up being what we need.
The days of single issue votes are over for now, the Libtards are back in power.
We need to consolidate and support once the primary is over.
If we lose this one, I believe we are truly doomed as a nation
13 posted on 02/11/2007 5:37:12 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Just kill me now and get it over.


14 posted on 02/11/2007 5:38:05 PM PST by elkfersupper (Science bounces off the courthouse wall like virtue off a whorehouse.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
George Allen and Rick Santuram both going down in flames in purple states has stunned the social conservative movement. They don't have a leader going into the game.
15 posted on 02/11/2007 5:39:30 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: acapesket; Swordfished; ClaireSolt

Very good posting.

That a pompous, unlikeable, lightweight trophy husband got 49% of the vote in 2004 shows what we are up against. Winning has to be important to conservatives. So it may be necessary to take chances on a candidate who falls short of the ideal.


16 posted on 02/11/2007 5:41:17 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: bilhosty

"conservatives need to think outside the box and take risks in choosing the 2008 Presidential nominee."
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Why? The higher echelon of the party needs to get the message that civilization exists beyond the big city limits. The worst thing we can do is fail to use the leverage we have, our money, and our votes. Liberalism is creeping in, republican principles are being abandoned, and it will get worse, if allowed to continue.


17 posted on 02/11/2007 5:42:07 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: voletti
A real conservative in the mould of a Reagan or Goldwater would have the cajones to say so and demonstrate so.

Uh....I assume you know that Goldwater was pro-choice.

18 posted on 02/11/2007 5:48:49 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: Clintonfatigued
and the former mayor of New York, the Big Apple itself, ethnic and Catholic, pro-choice and pro-gun control, married three times,

Being pro abortion and twice divorced does not a Catholic make.

19 posted on 02/11/2007 5:48:51 PM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Clintonfatigued
At the same time, none is exactly at odds with social conservatives either.

LOL!!! The author is either uninformed or delusional.

20 posted on 02/11/2007 5:50:15 PM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Amalie

> If you are speaking about our former estemed actor-turned senator from TN, Mr Thompson, don't hold your breath. My feeling is he got fed up with DC and the dirty games of politics. I think they got to him with information he never wanted anyone to see (and, no, I don't know what it was). <


Maybe related to the worst-kept secret in Nashville a few years back, namely old Fred's steamy affair with Lorrie Morgan.


21 posted on 02/11/2007 5:55:25 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Clintonfatigued

Metrosexual Republicans is more like it.


22 posted on 02/11/2007 5:58:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Clintonfatigued

The Rise of the Metro Republicans How McCain, Romney, and Giuliani may redraw the red-blue map.


Yes, the blue parts will get bigger.


23 posted on 02/11/2007 5:58:07 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: Clintonfatigued
>>>>.... none is linked closely to social conservatives. At the same time, none is exactly at odds with social conservatives either.

There are no links to social conservatives whatsoever. Social conservatives are at odds with all three. Especially, Rudy Giuliani!

>>>>McCain, Romney, and Giuliani aren't quite your "normal" conservative candidates, which is both their strength and an opportunity for their party.

Giuliani doesn't know the first thing about conservatism. Romney is still looking for his conservatism. And McCain, while the most conservative of the bunch, can't seem to convince conservatives he's one of them. Bottomline. McCain is a moderate, Romney is a centrist and Giuliani is a freaken NYCity liberal!

Not a Reagan conservative in the trio.

24 posted on 02/11/2007 5:58:57 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
These are not the droids you're looking for...
25 posted on 02/11/2007 5:59:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Clintonfatigued
None hails from the South, none looks or sounds country, none is conspicuous for traditional piety, and none is linked closely to social conservatives.

A typical leftist, narrow-minded view...
26 posted on 02/11/2007 5:59:38 PM PST by etradervic (Newt in '08)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Another delusional piece from someone who has lost track of what it means to be a conservative, if they ever knew.


27 posted on 02/11/2007 6:01:39 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: EternalVigilance

Noemie Emery calls the Weakly Standard home. Home to neocon leader, Bill Kristol. Home of one time conservative, Fred Barnes. Now just a born-again Bushie.


28 posted on 02/11/2007 6:04:05 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

If I am remembering correctly - red + blue = purple - the color of homose....errr..


Back to your regularly scheduled debate...


29 posted on 02/11/2007 6:07:45 PM PST by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: truth_seeker

2008 could be a very interesting year.


30 posted on 02/11/2007 6:10:18 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Reagan Man
Now just a born-again Bushie.

Where the Bush hacks are fanning out to politically as this administration winds down is quite informative about the kind of leadership we've had to endure for the last 7 years.

31 posted on 02/11/2007 6:11:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Clintonfatigued
Good summary of why Romney is the conservative choice among the three viable candidates.

Romney....is a fiscal conservative (who refused to raise taxes in the state of Taxachusetts), to the right of McCain and Giuliani on immigration and campaign finance reform, way to the right of Giuliani on most social issues, and on some to the right of McCain. He backs the federal amendment to outlaw gay marriage, and has fought the use of embryos for stem cell research, leading National Review's John J. Miller to observe that he has "done his best to defend the culture of life on . . . the most inhospitable terrain in the country."

32 posted on 02/11/2007 6:16:21 PM PST by Plutarch (So you think your candidate can win? Based on what?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Keep in mind the metro cities (New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, etc) are solidly Democrat!

We need to get some semblance of control of the electorial block in the Republican camp.

One big key is the UNION! They are stong in those metro areas! How are we to win them over?

They have the power and the voting frauds capability!


33 posted on 02/11/2007 6:24:05 PM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound ( But the Moonbats are permanently insane!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
" the modern Republican party, which, as everyone knows, is rural, racist, Dixiecrat, redneck, uptight, and wholly intolerant of personal slippage."

That tells you all you need to know about the ding-dong that wrote this. A typical fruity Rudi cheerleader with no grasp of facts or reality.
34 posted on 02/11/2007 6:32:57 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......Ronnie made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: EternalVigilance; flashbunny; NapkinUser

Rudy, Mitt, and John. Our power trio/sarc. See #25 from EV. good stuff.


35 posted on 02/11/2007 6:34:27 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Clintonfatigued
If one of these men wins, it may mark a return to broader, national parties. And the iconic map of the recent elections, with the blue states draped like a shawl over the broad, red shoulders of Middle America, may give way to more subtle designs.

I am glad to see these professional pundits catching up with the ideas I've already posted .

The Conservatives' McCain Dilema

  Posted by Plutarch to crushkerry
On Bloggers & Personal 01/26/2007 11:45:17 PM PST ·

Republican from Massachusetts

That is a huge advantage. A Romney ticket will break the GOP out of its Southern/Mountain West box, and tip competitive Northern states (e.g. MI, WI, IA, NH) into the Red column, without corresponding losses in the South.

36 posted on 02/11/2007 6:40:18 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: pgkdan

If Rudy Guiliani were running for Pope, I would strongly oppose him.


37 posted on 02/11/2007 6:44:13 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: acapesket
If we lose this one, I believe we are truly doomed as a nation
Why so?
38 posted on 02/11/2007 6:45:28 PM PST by Bittersweetmd (God is Great and greatly to be praised.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
And should McCain, Romney, or Giuliani become the nominee, the electoral map may look different than it has looked for the past couple of elections.

I agree. The Democrats will sweep all parts of the country.

39 posted on 02/11/2007 6:45:42 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Lancey Howard
I would like to see the "Law and Order" candidate throw his hat in the ring.

You can't be talking about Rudy, the "sanctuary city" candidate.

40 posted on 02/11/2007 6:47:04 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Clintonfatigued
So it may be necessary to take chances on a candidate who falls short of the ideal.

Well then, the winning strategy would be to nominate a candidate who opposes the Iraq war, since that is the most unpopular thing associated with the Republican party.

41 posted on 02/11/2007 6:48:23 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: Beagle8U
That tells you all you need to know about the ding-dong that wrote this.

The Weekly Standard is a "neo"conservative rag - neoconservative means "new" conservitive - and most of the people who use the title aren't conservative at all in the traditional sense. They're good on national defense, but so were the Democrats they used to work for - Henry Jackson, Hubert Humphrey. On the domestic side, they're big-government liberals. That's why Weekly Standard is pushing a liberal - Rudy - to help squeeze the last measures of conservatism out of the Republican party.

42 posted on 02/11/2007 6:50:47 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Clintonfatigued

Gaaaak. The neo-conservative "Weekly Standard" gives its blessing to the Ghastly Trio. I'm shocked I tell ya.


43 posted on 02/11/2007 6:52:32 PM PST by Luke21
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
You have to realize that not everyone here is a member or relates to Evangelical church's or small town life. Small town and southern values have come to define Conservatism and Republican values. There are plenty of us who are different. Right now we are winning in small towns and the south and starting to lose every place else. some of us are very worried. Even though we didn't agree with the Soc conservatives on all of those issues we went along because they were not important to us and we wanted to win. Now we have to face the point that what is conservative and small town does not have to be the same thing and if we don't make a change we become a minority.
44 posted on 02/11/2007 6:54:17 PM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Clintonfatigued
We know that Giuliani will stand up and do what he believes is right regardless of opposition. His record indicates that he will fight the war on terror and that he has actually cut government spending and red tape while cleaning up New York and making it a much more inviting place to live and do business. His strong support for Supreme Court Nominees like Scalia would make his long term impact on our government positive.

I tend to like Romney and believe that he would be strong in fighting the war on terror but he would probably be like Bush and go along with congress on the budget.

I would never vote for McCain after his taking the lead in ripping the First Amendment out of our Constitution.

Giuliani would draw a broad section of the middle to vote GOP. Romney has the looks and charisma to do the same. McCain might draw the middle but would be abandoned by too many conservatives to have a chance of winning.
45 posted on 02/11/2007 6:56:38 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Bittersweetmd

"Why so?"

Because of Hitlery in the White House and a permanent liberal majority on the Supreme Court.


46 posted on 02/11/2007 6:57:19 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: freedomdefender
I agree. The Democrats will sweep all parts of the country.
I agree with your agreeing. :)
47 posted on 02/11/2007 6:57:33 PM PST by Bittersweetmd (God is Great and greatly to be praised.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Thanks to Bush and his nannystating cronies, the days of social conservatives being the sole voice of the GOP base are numbered. It's time to reach beyond the angry, narrow visions of the minority fringe and start appealing to the mainstream again. Romney and Rudy can do that.


48 posted on 02/11/2007 6:58:31 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: freedomdefender
"That's why Weekly Standard is pushing a liberal - Rudy - to help squeeze the last measures of conservatism out of the Republican party."

What they are going to do by pushing Rudi is squeeze 40% of the voters out of the party and the voting booth.
49 posted on 02/11/2007 6:58:47 PM PST by Beagle8U (Jimmy Carter changed me into a Republican.......Ronnie made me DAMN proud of it!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
So there they all are--a hawkish war hero who holds Goldwater's seat but who charms independents; a Mormon from Michigan who will run his campaign from North Boston; and a pro-choice New Yorker who thrills southern social conservatives--all trying to be Reagan's heir. And let us recall that Reagan himself was a complex enough figure: a man who was divorced and remarried (as are McCain and Giuliani), a former film star and a recovering Democrat, from Illinois by way of Hollywood, who signed a liberal abortion bill while governor of California, was comfortable with gays in his film making milieu, and once even backed the New Deal.

I think our top tier candidates have much more cross-over appeal than any of the Dems and I see a lot of red and purple in our future. Both Rudy and Mitt offer that hopeful optimism that made Reagan so popular. And we cannot underestimate the appeal of that to women.

Found this old post... Bears repeating:

Reagan always came across as 100% male which elicited a 100% female response in women.

As a woman, I second that emotion...

15 posted on 06/11/2004 1:08:30 AM PDT by KangarooJacqui Link to Reagan article

Amen to that.

50 posted on 02/11/2007 7:00:14 PM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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