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Pastor cites 'misunderstanding' of ministry (Mac Hammond)
stars tribune ^ | 2-11-07 | pamela miller

Posted on 02/12/2007 7:08:10 AM PST by Rakkasan1

Pastor Mac Hammond's congregation at Living Word Christian Center in Brooklyn Park reacted strongly Sunday to his appearance in the wake of a watchdog's group complaint to the Internal Revenue Service that he violated federal tax law and a front-page Star Tribune article examining his financial dealings: Worshipers gave him a prolonged, cheer-laced standing ovation.

"Y'all better sit down; I'll get too choked up to minister," drawled Hammond, 63, pastor of the nondenominational megachurch, which has almost 10,000 members. He called questions about his financial dealings "a misunderstanding" of his prosperity-gospel ministry, which holds that following God's word leads to spiritual and economic bounty.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: apostasy; bigmacdaddy; church; conartist; falsedoctrine; filthyrich; fleecingtheflock; hammond; mac; megachurches; ministry; prosperitygospel; showmethemoney; tvevangelist
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1 posted on 02/12/2007 7:08:12 AM PST by Rakkasan1
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To: Rakkasan1

Sickening...these Mega Churches are economic tax havens.

This sure wasn't Christ's message. These mega "churches" are almost like an Amway franchise...focusing on the Greed principle.


2 posted on 02/12/2007 7:12:40 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Oprah is a phony money grubbing self centered sleeze ..Now we see how you made your 1.5 Billion!!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

You can't serve two masters. I think someone important to pastors said that.


3 posted on 02/12/2007 7:13:29 AM PST by Patrick1
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To: Rakkasan1

The Strib always takes the position that there is no condemnation more richly deserved than someone elses's religion.

They have recently been bought out by a buccaneer business organization. We will see what those who will be fired have to say about praying for success.


4 posted on 02/12/2007 7:15:23 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Rakkasan1

This dude is fleecing the flock. The Lord will deal with him.


5 posted on 02/12/2007 7:15:41 AM PST by seanmerc
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To: Rakkasan1
Satan has a script, and so many church leaders are following it to a 'T'.

A person could go a website connected with my own church, the cornerstone of the Southern Baptist Convention, and almost verbatim the same is going on with our pastor.

It is not all about mega churches, but the leadership and their spiritual blindness.
6 posted on 02/12/2007 7:19:37 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
It is not the Mega church that is bad, it is the leadership.

I have attended a mega church that was completely on the up and up until recently. This church is close to 100 years old.
7 posted on 02/12/2007 7:21:30 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Rakkasan1
...holds that following God's word leads to spiritual and economic bounty.

Especially for the 'Pastors' of these 'Churches'.
8 posted on 02/12/2007 7:23:47 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Every time a jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Rakkasan1

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9 posted on 02/12/2007 7:35:15 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (Thinketh Like A BILLIONAIRE)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
This sure wasn't Christ's message.

They forget that Jesus said "My words are spirit and they are life." Wherever the bible talks about God making us rich, it is refering to spiritual riches, not material riches. They miss that.

10 posted on 02/12/2007 7:37:54 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Rakkasan1
"It takes wealth, folks, to establish God's covenant on this Earth. You and I will never get so spiritual that we don't need money to get more influential in the world we're in.

A man after Satan's own heart.

11 posted on 02/12/2007 7:49:40 AM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: MEGoody
Wherever the bible talks about God making us rich, it is refering to spiritual riches, not material riches. They miss that.

Thats a lie of the devil right there. Jesus was rich and became poor so that we might be rich. We prosper and are in health even as our soul prospers. Godly prosperity comes from faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Godly prosperity means money as well as health and salvation.Being prosperous doesn't mean you live by faith, but if you live by faith you will be prosperous..as your soul prospers. If Jesus was made sin so we could be righteous, if Jesus was made sick so we could be healthy then Jesus was also made poor so that we through his poverty might be rich.

13 posted on 02/12/2007 8:00:10 AM PST by nativist
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To: Rakkasan1
He said he buys expensive clothes because "if I look decent, I preach better, so I'm really doing it for you, amen."

Thank you, thank you, thank you!(Ignore my thread-bare suit, please. Can't have the preacher looking bad now, here is another dollar!)

14 posted on 02/12/2007 8:06:38 AM PST by rawhide
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To: nativist
That thinking of yours just blows my mind. So Jesus was poor so that his disciples could become filthy rich...is that your point?
15 posted on 02/12/2007 8:14:42 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: Rakkasan1

My, oh my, where to begin.....better not, it would get me banned.


16 posted on 02/12/2007 8:15:12 AM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: nativist

Hang tough for satan's minions are waiting for Believers to get snared in their traps. Expect to ganged upon, Child of God.


17 posted on 02/12/2007 8:18:27 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (Thinketh Like A BILLIONAIRE)
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To: USMMA_83
Jesus was rich and became poor so we might be rich. Prosperity goes along with divine health and salvation. They are all benefits from believing the Gospel (death burial resurrection of Jesus).

The fact is prosperity is a result of believing. Walking in complete soundness of body is a result of believing the gospel and being righteous is a result of believing the Gospel. Plain and simple. Sickness is of the Devil and so is poverty.

18 posted on 02/12/2007 8:23:24 AM PST by nativist
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To: 100-Fold_Return
Sorry man but 100 fold return is also a lie of the devil. the 100 fold refers to mothers father children and land that we have forsaken for the Gospels sake, not give a dollar and God will give you a hundred.

Just so I am clear, Godly prosperity comes with a changing of the heart. The truth is too many Christians think poverty=Godliness or gain= Godliness. Neither is true. righteousness is by faith, prosperity is by faith. The truth is that if God gave most of us a million dollars we would go crazy fulfilling our own lusts, but as God changes us from darkness to light, through faith in the resurrection power of his son Jesus, money increases as part of our faith increasing.

19 posted on 02/12/2007 8:30:27 AM PST by nativist
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To: Rakkasan1

Luke 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.


20 posted on 02/12/2007 8:33:22 AM PST by WKB (This Baptist would vote for a Mormon before he'd vote for a moron AGAIN.)
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Baptist ping


21 posted on 02/12/2007 8:34:04 AM PST by WKB (This Baptist would vote for a Mormon before he'd vote for a moron AGAIN.)
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To: rawhide

that's why he's the BigMacDaddy


22 posted on 02/12/2007 8:34:16 AM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: nativist

Amazing...simply amazing. You, and others like you might have nailed the coffin shut on Christianity as we know it...so, after all of that...it's nothing more than a get rich quick scheme...with salvation as a added benefit.


23 posted on 02/12/2007 8:34:38 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: nativist; USMMA_83

You make a lot of statments but I don't see any Chapter
and Verse.


24 posted on 02/12/2007 8:37:23 AM PST by WKB (This Baptist would vote for a Mormon before he'd vote for a moron AGAIN.)
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To: WKB
but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

That's because he didn't have enough faith. If He had faith, Jesus would have a Lear Jet and a Bentley.

25 posted on 02/12/2007 8:38:02 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: nativist
Q.Why do sisters vow poverty, chastity and obedience?

The vows are meant to be a public witness to Gospel values. They are not meant to be restrictions on our lives, but rather attitudes toward life and signs of hope.

While our understanding of the vows grows and develops, we generally see the vows in this way:

- Poverty – a call to live for the sake of the poor, to act for justice, to advocate against oppressive policies, to embrace a simple lifestyle.

- Chastity – a call to love well and non-exclusively, to care deeply for and about others, to love totally for the sake of others.

- Obedience – a call to listen to the voice of the Spirit in all of life, to search for truth.

You might want to clue in the poor sisters that they are actually doing the devil's work.

26 posted on 02/12/2007 8:41:19 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: USMMA_83
You, and others like you might have nailed the coffin shut on Christianity as we know it...

Opposites may attract, but Like follows Like.. The "flock" wants to hear that gross materialism is from God, or it wouldn't tolerate this lie.

They all have their reward.

27 posted on 02/12/2007 8:51:25 AM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: AppyPappy

And a ROLEX


28 posted on 02/12/2007 9:40:00 AM PST by WKB (This Baptist would vote for a Mormon before he'd vote for a moron AGAIN.)
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To: nativist
Thats a lie of the devil right there. Jesus was rich and became poor so that we might be rich.

Really. So you think if you belong to God, you are going to have material wealth? Is that REALLY what you think?

Godly prosperity means money as well as health and salvation..

Ah, so that is what you think. Then Jesus made a mistake when He used the poor woman who gave all she had as an example of a Godly person.

And if you think Jesus was mistaken, as you obviously, do, then that's of the devil right there.

29 posted on 02/12/2007 9:44:46 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody; ARridgerunner; nativist
Nativist, please explain how your view of Christ and Christianity invalidates what MEGoody states. I'm not trying to pick on you...but I'm really curious as to how you support your view of Christ and his message.
30 posted on 02/12/2007 9:53:57 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: 100-Fold_Return
I don't see you supporting Nativist, aka Child of God. Can you support him and his view of Christ and Christianity?
31 posted on 02/12/2007 9:57:39 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: WKB

Exactly.

I've not read the Bible in-depth (as many Freepers have) but I haven't been able to find any Biblically-based statements to support wearing expensive suits and sports cars.


32 posted on 02/12/2007 11:53:15 AM PST by MplsSteve
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33 posted on 02/12/2007 11:56:00 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: nativist
Try reading the book of Job. God got pissed at Job's friends for having the exact same reasoning that you have. I would not want to be in your position.
34 posted on 02/12/2007 12:20:25 PM PST by newguy357
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To: Patrick1

I watch a Pastor on TV each week. He preaches a solid Gospel message and never mentions money. And he has a big church in the city where he is. We cannot tar all the big TV preachers with the same brush.


35 posted on 02/12/2007 12:42:15 PM PST by twonie (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT '08. THERE - A COMMITMENT OUT LOUD.)
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To: nativist

Tell that to the poor Chinese, Indian, African, etc. Christians that have next to nothing. Give me a chapter and verse where Jesus says that poverty is of the devil.


36 posted on 02/12/2007 1:08:11 PM PST by FarRightFanatic ("I'm Barack Hussein Obama...and I approved this taqiyya.")
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To: WKB

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


37 posted on 02/12/2007 1:14:30 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: Rakkasan1

Phil. 4:11b for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances.


38 posted on 02/12/2007 1:17:27 PM PST by WKB (This Baptist would vote for a Mormon before he'd vote for a moron AGAIN.)
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To: Rakkasan1

Church of the Divine Profit.


39 posted on 02/12/2007 1:18:57 PM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: WKB

Mac hopes the IRS is content with his explanations.


40 posted on 02/12/2007 1:19:47 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: Rakkasan1

"He said he buys expensive clothes because "if I look decent, I preach better, so I'm really doing it for you, amen.""

No...."I'm really doing it TO you, Amen" Screwing you in the name of the Lord!

This is what we Christians will be measured against whenever it is convenient to the Godless left....

Militant


41 posted on 02/12/2007 1:34:48 PM PST by militant2 ("From time to time, the tree of Liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrants!")
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To: Rakkasan1; nativist; 100-Fold_Return
Rakkasan, lest any try to cast doubt on the relevancy of 1st Timothy 6:10, let's put your quote in context:

If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.(emphasis added)

But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

1st Timothy 6:3-11, NIV

How does one refute this teaching? Also, someone please point to one follower of The Way that became wealthy because of his/her salvation in the NT.

42 posted on 02/12/2007 1:35:49 PM PST by cf_river_rat (Just another defender of the faith)
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To: nativist

Only an American idiot can believe in the prosperity Gospel. Sheesh.


43 posted on 02/12/2007 7:07:12 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
10,000 is "mega"? Sounds like small potatoes to me.


44 posted on 02/12/2007 7:13:17 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: newguy357
Why? I believe as Paul taught that Jesus became poor, so that I through his poverty might be rich. Trusting in the riches is the transgression. Trusting in your own flesh is the transgression. I believe Jesus when he said to seek first the kingdom of God and all the things the Gentiles seek after will be added unto me.

It is not my doctrine. It is a benefit of believing that Jesus died on the cross according to the scripture. That he was buried and that he rose again the third day. Other benefits include healing and divine righteousness.

Think about Abraham, Jacob, Job, David, were they rich? Job was very wealthy and it was God hedging him about that got him those riches. Without Gods hedge the Devil destroyed not only the wealth but his family too. When God restored that hedge, after he prayed for his religious friends, Job got it all back.

Re read my post again and consider if I said anything out of line with scripture. I said that as your soul prospers your prosperity will come. Money is not the root of all evil, the love of money is. Riches do not hinder you from entering into the kingdom, trusting in them does.

45 posted on 02/12/2007 7:14:17 PM PST by nativist
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Not saying the pastor wasn't wrong. Just questioning the "mega" descriptive as though it was either accurate or distinguishing.


46 posted on 02/12/2007 7:15:01 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: USMMA_83
No faithless people who circumnavigate the globe to find one proselyte and them make them 2 fold the child of hell they are, by denying the power of God try to shut up the kingdom of God. Not only do they try to shut it up to themselves but they try to keep other from entering because they have no faith.
47 posted on 02/12/2007 7:17:25 PM PST by nativist
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To: WKB

These are the words of God written in my heart on tables of flesh and not tables of stone like your ten commandments. Look it up. Make an effort. Do you have a concordance of any kind?


48 posted on 02/12/2007 7:19:09 PM PST by nativist
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To: Larry Lucido

an interesting point...one that did not elude me. Nice photo.


49 posted on 02/12/2007 7:19:39 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Oprah is a phony money grubbing self centered sleeze ..Now we see how you made your 1.5 Billion!!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Well I do not know what "the prosperity gospel" is but I do not deny that prosperity is a direct result of believing the Gospel of Jesus.


50 posted on 02/12/2007 7:22:50 PM PST by nativist
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