Skip to comments.Hillary leads Dems, Republicans in poll: NY voters would choose senator over Obama, Giuliani
Posted on 02/12/2007 12:49:15 PM PST by Reagan Man
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is poised to trump all comers in New York's presidential primary and general elections in 2008, according to a Crain's New York Business poll.
The survey of 600 registered voters across the state also found that Rudy Giuliani would handily win a Republican primary but lose the state in a final race for the White House. In addition, the results show that Mayor Michael Bloomberg, if he runs as an independent, would be little more than a long shot.
The results reflect the advantages enjoyed by Ms. Clinton, who is fresh off a $30.8 million re-election campaign in which she drew 67% of the vote and is the only New Yorker to have announced a presidential bid. In a prospective Democratic primary, the second-term senator was favored by 54% of party members, far ahead of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., at 18%, and John Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, at 5%.
In one-on-one matchups with Republicans, Ms. Clinton outpolled Mr. Giuliani 53% to 32% and Sen. John McCain of Arizona 55% to 26%.
The poll is a snapshot of the present, not a forecast, and does not guarantee an easy ride for the state's junior senator.
"For Clinton, her strength is broad and impressive, but the real question is, How deep is it?" says Craig Charney, president of Charney Research, which conducted the poll from Jan. 22 to Jan. 25. "How well will it hold up in the give-and-take of a presidential campaign?"
Experts say that early polling favors Ms. Clinton because it is heavily influenced by name recognition, and that the Democratic race in New York will get tighter as voters become more familiar with Mr. Obama. By the same token, Mr. Giuliani has less potential to gain support because he's already well-known here.
Mr. Giuliani would trounce Mr. McCain in a state Republican primary, according to the poll. But in a hypothetical general election he lagged not only Ms. Clinton, but also Mr. Obama by 42% to 31% in a head-to-head matchup.
"I'm surprised; I thought Rudy would actually do better," says Jerry Skurnik of Prime New York, a Manhattan company that crunches election data. "It just shows what bad shape Republicans are in in this state."
Blue state Analysts attributed Mr. Giuliani's poor showing to Democrats' dominance in New York. In the poll, twice as many respondents identified themselves as Democrats than as Republicans. Mr. Giuliani did win two mayoral elections in heavily Democratic New York City, but voters tend not to cross party lines in presidential races. Nonetheless, one commentator who believes that Mr. Giuliani could win the presidency notes that the former mayor's focus has been elsewhere.
"Rudy has been very active politically, but not in New York state. He's been traveling throughout the country," says Steven Malanga, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a think tank close to Mr. Giuliani. "If Rudy were ever to face Obama in a general election, he would do much better once the actual campaign began in New York. Once he reacquainted himself with New Yorkers in a campaign, his numbers would rise."
Lately, though, Mr. Giuliani has been moving to the political right to head off red-state criticism that he's too liberal on gun control, abortion and homosexuality. That may be backfiring in New York, a solidly blue state where even Republicans tend to be moderates. "Rudy has worked to associate himself with Bush and the national Republican Party," says former Democratic pollster Mark Blumenthal, editor and publisher of Pollster.com.
The Crain's poll does not augur well for a run by Mr. Bloomberg. In a hypothetical three-way race, Mr. Bloomberg tallied just 7%, compared with 49% for Ms. Clinton and 27% for Mr. Giuliani. "The mayor is focused on continuing to move the city forward, not polls on a race he has no plans to enter," says a spokesman for Mr. Bloomberg. Rumors of his candidacy were triggered by comments from a former campaign adviser and by his appearances in California and Washington, D.C.
The poll results were particularly discouraging for George Pataki's prospects, and may explain recent signals from the former governor that he won't enter the race. A meager 7% of Republicans said they would vote for him in a primary, while Mr. Giuliani was favored by 54% and Mr. McCain by 16%. "If I were hired to offer advice, I might ask, `What is your base?' " Mr. Blumenthal says.
Mr. Pataki has closed his New Hampshire office, postponed a decision on joining the race, and told supporters to consider other candidates if they didn't want to wait for him.
Ms. Clinton, in contrast, has no shortage of fans. One TriBeCa resident, Eric Oatman, 67, says he answered the poll questions, "Hillary all the way" because "she seems to be more committed to universal health care than the other candidates. Certainly she knows more about it."
What about Mr. Giuliani? "He was good after 9/11, but before that he was not my man. He just appears to be a very unpleasant man," Mr. Oatman says. "He's liberal enough, but for the national stage I just don't think he's proven himself by his actions here."
GETTING AN EARLY JUMP
If the 2008 general election for president were held today and the candidates were Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, Republican Rudy Giuliani and independent Michael Bloomberg, for whom would you vote?
Hillary Rodham Clinton 49%
Rudy Giuliani 27%
Michael Bloomberg 7%
1% Would not vote
14% Dont know/No response/Refused to answer
Based on 600 responses. Source: Charney Research
If the 2008 general election for president were today and the candidates were Democrat Barack Obama andvRepublican Rudy Giuliani, for whom would you vote?
Barack Obama 42%
Rudy Giuliani 31%
5% Would not vote
19% Don't know/No response/Refused to answer
Based on 600 responses. Percentages do not add up to 100 due to rounding. Source: Charney Research
2008 NY State Poll PING
Wow - I'm surprised that Giuliani fares so poorly in NY. I know it's heavily Democrat, but even so...that's a large deficit.
Hill, Hill, she's our man....
No republican will ever win in NY for three simple reasons... NYC, Rochester, and Buffalo.
I have never heard of this polling outfit. I dont think its reliable.
Really? Let me make a prediction..........The Demoncrapic candidate will win NY. You heard it hear first.
Obviously, the voters of New York are supporting the person who has spent so much of her life living in the state, and working to help its residents improve their lives. Plus, she's a Yankees fan.
Wow. Thats a bold prediction! ;)
Cutting edge analysis right here, right now.
It's not a good sign that he can't even beat her in his own state.
And that's not a surprise. But what is important out of this and other polls is that it refutes the essential notion that Rudy is going to do better in blue states than a conservative would. I think that's not going to be the case. If he wins over any Democrats at all, he'll lose a lot more conservatives.
I can't believe the power this woman has. It's mind boggling. There must be something in the water that makes people stupid.
Sorry, I don't buy it. Hilda-beast will be exposed, as it will be impossible to run a national campaign and not have to face some real HARDBALL (not the show) moments, at which point she will melt like the witch she is.
"For Clinton, her strength is her backside is broad and impressive, but the real question is, How deep is it?"
RINO-rudy moving to the right, is just as "GENUINE" as the ICE QUEEN's move to the "center".
NEITHER of these political-expediency CHAMELION scumbags can be trusted.
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