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Doctor: Killing flawed at start
St. Petersburg Times ^ | February 12, 2007 | Chris Tisch

Posted on 02/12/2007 7:47:47 PM PST by Graybeard58

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To: Ethrane

"And, don't call me a surgeon....I know who both my parents are."

Nasty, but very, very good!!!


41 posted on 02/13/2007 2:24:31 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Nobles Oblige, BS, Well take care of it ourselves!)
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To: wafflehouse

Heck, I didn't even get to the other option, which is a bigger revenue generator: Roman style (i.e.: slow) executions, on pay per view. Billions for the budget, using flesh that's already condemned anyway, so why not get some fun and cash out of it?


42 posted on 02/13/2007 7:45:01 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: JSteff

You'd be wrong about the deterrent effect.
Back in medieval Europe, the punishment for counterfeiting was to be boiled in lead, an inch at a time. People counterfeited anyway.
What matters is only the degree to which the criminal thinks he will be caught, or cares. Serial killers don't care if they end up dead. They enjoy the killing enroute. You're never going to deter that.
Likewise street gang killings, and domestic killings done in rage. Nothing will stop the nuts from doing it. They're nuts. You can probably dissuade the rational, cold-blooded killers to a degree, but they're usually professionals and don't get caught.


43 posted on 02/13/2007 7:50:03 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

Caught in the Organ Draft!


44 posted on 02/13/2007 8:09:05 AM PST by skepsel
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To: Vicomte13

Ever read anything by Larry Niven? When we start using death row inmates for spare parts, all of a sudden running red lights becomes a death penalty crime.


45 posted on 02/13/2007 8:13:36 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB

Watch out for the organleggers.


46 posted on 02/13/2007 8:27:50 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Ethrane
You're right, I'm wrong--

1. Surgeons -- $177,690
2. Anesthesiologists -- $174,240

America's Top 50 Salaries

Granted that's MSN... the whole chart is probably wrong.

47 posted on 02/13/2007 10:19:29 AM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: JenB

"When we start using death row inmates for spare parts, all of a sudden running red lights becomes a death penalty crime."

Only if you are a low-status individual.


48 posted on 02/13/2007 11:06:56 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
"Back in medieval Europe, the punishment for ounterfeiting was to be boiled in lead"

Back in medieval Europe they believed in witches, demonic possession, and most still believed in dragons. Back in medieval Europe they did not have TV or the Internet. The deterrent effect was minimized by being in a story.

It was NOT real to most people because they never saw it or heard it. Modern marketing is proof that a verbal or printed story is NO WHERE near as effective as the visual and aural.

Infomercials are the silly proof of that. How well would a clear plastic oven that cooks with hot air have sold? Ronco sold millions, yet sales of convection ovens previously never took off.

So I disagree. The effect of seeing someone actually get killed by being burnt to death, or locked in a car and drowned would have a massive effect.

Just hearing a story about it is no where near as real as seeing it LIVE (or on reruns).
49 posted on 02/13/2007 10:23:36 PM PST by JSteff
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To: JSteff

And it's not as entertaining either.
The entertainment value of public executions, especially if carefully thought out to be visually exciting and horriffic, would be immense. The income to the public treasury from selling live feed on pay-per-view, with the follow-up syndications and spin-offs (imagine the coffee-table Time-Life book "Great Executions", with broadsheet-sized full-color photos of the carnage...now THAT would sell!) would be enormous.
There'd be "REAL Justice League" trading cards sold with bubble gum: "Oooo, Oooo, I'll trade you a Jeffrey Dahmer impalement and a John Wayne Gacy crucifixion for a Unabomber boiling and a Suzanne Smith drowning!"
Think of the boost to commerce and to the general civic respect for law and order! Think of the receipts.

Unfortunately, all of the interesting ways to kill criminals destroys their bodies and makes their organs unusable...WAIT! I have the perfect solution for organ harvesting AND revenue-maximization from gory public executions: Death by vivisection! We execute death row inmates BY extracting their organs for reuse, flaying them for their skin, etc.! That would provide all the screaming and drama anyone could hope for AND would provide good organs for use! Why didn't I think of that before!


50 posted on 02/14/2007 7:12:51 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
LOL Nice points.

"Death by vivisection!"

All they need to do that is give them a organ donor card, take them unconscious into a trauma center connected to a transplant hospital at a medical university, and make sure they come late at night.
51 posted on 02/15/2007 5:42:49 AM PST by JSteff
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To: JSteff

"All they need to do that is give them a organ donor card, take them unconscious into a trauma center connected to a transplant hospital at a medical university, and make sure they come late at night."

If you vivisect them while unconscious in the hospital you lose all the cool screaming and pay-per-view revenues, which is where the big profit lies. Since the profit will go to the government and raise massive revenues, it will lower the taxes of us good law-abiding citizens. Anesthetizing and privately executing death row inmates is not tax-efficient.

No, no. It needs to be public, excruciating, slow, televised on pay-per-view, and effective - that's the way to simultaneously maximize revenues, deterrence and health benefits from organ harvesting. Think of the children!


52 posted on 02/15/2007 7:39:38 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

LOL


53 posted on 02/17/2007 7:21:00 PM PST by JSteff
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