Skip to comments.Libby's Jury Hears Rant Of Diplomat ... (Armitage:profanity-laden rant)
Posted on 02/13/2007 5:15:19 AM PST by IrishMike
WASHINGTON The jury in the trial of I. Lewis Libby Jr., who served as Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, has heard powerful evidence that two other officials were responsible for disclosing the identity of a CIA officer, Valerie Plame.
Over a prosecution objection, the defense played an audio recording yesterday of a profanity-laden rant in which a former deputy secretary of state, Richard Armitage, told a prominent journalist, Bob Woodward of the Washington Post, about Ms. Plame's ties to Langley a month before she was unmasked in a syndicated column by Robert Novak. Mr. Novak also testified yesterday, recounting to jurors how Mr. Armitage's identification of Ms. Plame, and a subsequent confirmation from President Bush's top political aide, Karl Rove, resulted in the July 14, 2003, article that prompted the investigation that ultimately snared Mr. Libby.
Another Post reporter who joined the parade of press witnesses, Walter Pincus, added more drama to the session by declaring that he was told about Ms. Plame's CIA connection by the White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, two days before Mr. Novak's column appeared. That aspect of Mr. Fleischer's role in the saga had not been made public previously.
Mr. Woodward testified that the disclosure from Mr. Armitage came in a June 13, 2003, interview as the pair discussed news reports that a former ambassador, Joseph Wilson IV, had traveled to Africa at the CIA's request to investigate claims that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. Mr. Wilson later complained to reporters that the White House ignored his report that such a deal was impossible and deliberately inserted misleading language into President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address.
(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...
Text of a Recorded Conversation Between Armitage and Woodward
And the DBM treated his Plame gaffe as if it was so sweetly innocent. Man, how I hate these skunks!
Yes yes, but when did the the bartender at Kinkead's and the maitre de at CityZen know about it?
I don't get the import of Libby being the source of the story about the trip being in response to some inquiry by Cheney, since there is apparently documentation that the trip was organized prior to any query from the OVP. Is this simply another example of an uniformed reporter?
Cheney's the target ... simple.
I haven't been following all the details but it sounds like what I first heard was pretty much correct. Plame in the CIA was not a secret to many.
With a lying blowhard bigmouth of a husband like Joe Wilson, how could it have been?
geepers... what a circus... the trial about nothing continues
Based on the little I have seen and heard from Armitage, I am not impressed.
The Associated Press is doing its best today to blame it all on the Administration. They're lying. The Armitage tape shows that Joe Wilson was calling around DC to let everyone know it was him and his wife who were responsible for the Niger trip. The entire story of the Administration waging a secret campaign against Wilson is a lie.
Unless the news media admits publically to the truth in this case, I will never believe a single thing they publish again.
"Is this simply another example of an uniformed reporter?"
That would be the kindest way of putting it. At this point, every reporter in D.C. should be able to figure out what happened. Wilson was blabbing to every reporter he could find about his Niger trip, long before Novak even decided to write a column. The "White House is out to get me" story was a concoction of Wilson and David Corn. The rest of the news media played along, even though there were people who knew or could have guessed at the truth.
I will never believe a single thing they publish again.
Phil, In a nutshell, I think the CIA is complicit in making this case murky (if not outright obstructing a fair investigation) by NOT definitively stating whether Valerie was a "COVERT OPERATIVE" ... or NOT.... !!!!
because the CIA was/is so poorly managed, partisan ridden, and because of its appallingy shoddy (and apparently unaudited) practice of handing out money for "official" (???) "intelligence gathering" (???) travel by amateurish partisan hacks like Joe Wilson.
Perhaps some of the news people testifying that they learned about Valerie Plame from Novak's column are hoping that the defense/American people would not find out that they learned it from the embargoed copy they had access to before publishing. Is misleading lying? not if you are a "prominant" newsperson, it seems.
Perhaps she was not a covert agent, but had conveniently never had her name removed from the list of those who were receiving extra pay for being in that status. If this is the case, I wonder how many are doing this at the CIA? sort of like getting combat pay when you are not qualified for it. I have no evidence of this, but it could explain the CIA's reluctance to clarify her status.
Thank you; I am getting ready for a trip and am hopelessly behind on my pings!
LOL! By Happy Hour that day of course.
I don't think you can.
Perhaps she was not a covert agent, but had conveniently never had her name removed from the list of those who were receiving extra pay for being in that status.
Among all the other things that the CIA is covering up, I have long believed that what you wrote is one of the most obvious reasons for their silence on her status.
Plain old fraud, like people claiming overtime pay for what shouldn't be overtime work.
Why do you doubt that Joe Wilson said that? He was on every cable political show and even had an event at the National Press Club stating that Cheney had sent him.
You're wrong again:
"On another item of dispute -- whether Vice President Cheney's office inspired the Wilson trip to Niger -- Wilson had said the CIA told him he was being sent to Niger so they could "provide a response to the vice president's office," which wanted more information on the report that Iraq was seeking uranium there. Tenet said the CIA's counterproliferation experts sent Wilson "on their own initiative."
Wilson said in a recent interview: "I never said the vice president sent me or ordered me sent."
1.) Wilson Insisted That The Vice Presidents Office Sent Him To Niger:
Wilson Said He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice Presidents Office. In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheneys office had questions about a particular intelligence report. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice presidents office. (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, What I Didnt Find In Africa, The New York Times, 7/6/03)
Joe Wilson: [W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libbys Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ... (CNNs Late Edition, 8/3/03)
There, I proved it; and proved once again you don't know what you're talking about.
Perhaps some of the news people testifying that they learned about Valerie Plame from Novak's column are hoping that the defense/American people would not find out that they learned it from the embargoed copy they had access to before publishing.
I hope this timeline fact gets picked up by conservative talkshow hosts so that at least folks interested in facts, as opposed to DNC/AP spin, can become aware of how columns actually get into print.
Every one with access to AP raw data may have been able to read Novak's column that Friday night or all weekend.
So, in your mind, saying "CIA told me that VP asked them questions so they were sending me to help them answer those questions" is the same thing as "VP asked CIA to send me to Niger"?
I know you aren't that thick, so I have to question your honesty.
WRT the former statement, can you tell me what about it isn't true? Libby's own testimony was that OVP asked CIA for more information on the Niger reporting. It isn't really even disputed that CIA sent Wilson in response to that request.
It didn't happen. The entire claim that "Wilson was falsely claiming his trip was requested by VP" is fabricated.
I have to wonder why some folks are so invested in memes that can't be supported by evidence.
In a nut shell.
I to agree with your assessment. "CIA gone wild", too much power in the hands of a few!!!!!
This is one agency that needs a through investigation, from the beginning of the Clinton era to date.
President Bush can't seem to get a wrap on this agency no matter how hard he tries.
I have to wonder why you post on Free Republic. You have a very twisted way of looking at every situation on which you choose to comment. I had reservations about responding to you at all on this thread, and I won't do it again.
The only thing "twisted" about my way of looking at situations is that, unlike those of your ilk, I don't accept assertions without evidence solely because they are what "my side" wants to believe. Apparently, you think that accepting everything "your side" claims - whether it is true or not - is the way on ought to "look at a situation."
I posted his OWN words to you.
That you continue with your rant just proves what a disengenuous poster you are.
It's quite amazing, isn't it?
"Poster" or "poseur"? LOL!
Since you contend his own words, to use your phrase, can somehow transform themselves to mean something else - why don't you show some stones and step right up and tell us what part of "his own words" isn't directly supported by the statements and testimony of the government officials involved?
I bet you are proud of that combination.
There's the quote you posted. Which part of it isn't true?
I have briefed senior officials many times.
And taken many a question and many a request to get further information on a particular item.
"Getting more information" from the Agency (any agency) does not translate into an official directive, much less an official request, to send someone's unemployed partisan hack spouse to Africa to make an assessment based on drinking tea with retired and former officials.
No wonder Cheney was surprised that this is how his question to a briefer was handled.
I don't think you'll find what you're hoping to find here. Why on earth would this administration, or anyone in it, say at any time, "Hey! Let's send Joe Wilson to find out if this yellowcake thing is true or not!" Real life doesn't work like that.
No, from quite early on, Joe wanted to leave the impression that he was still important enough in these circles that the OVP would indeed send him to do this task. You won't find a quote because it's all been innuendo.
Is there a big difference between saying, "The OVP made inquiries to the CIA, and so the CIA sent me", and "The OVP made inquiries to the CIA to send me"? Well, yeah, in retrospect. But as Silverleaf notes in post 8, this was really about Joe puffing up his ego and buffing his reputation. Those little intricacies were not his focus at the time.
Quite really, the last thing he wanted was for this to be known, as Silverleaf so eloquently put it, as "Joe's big sweet mint tea adventure".
Unfortunately for him, it has.
I don't take issue with any thing you've said.
The issue is that many - including OVP - took Wilson's statement as a claim of the kind of official directive or official request you are saying this is not. He didn't say that. He said that OVP asked CIA for more information, and CIA sent him to Niger. He never said OVP asked CIA to send him to Niger. It just didn't happen. Yet that contention was the basis for having to "rebut" his "inaccurate" statement.
Cheney may well have been surprised that CIA handled it this way. But that doesn't mean that what Wilson said about how CIA handled it is inaccurate. In fact, the statement quoted by Howlin' is pretty much how everyone involved says it happened.
What is the time line for the CIA's arranging for Wilson to go to Niger and for when Cheney asked for more information? 'Seems that I read that Wilson was contacted about the trip a day or so before Cheney asked for info.
I feel like Diogenes on a lucky night. At last, someone acknowledges that Wilson did not actually say what 99% of FR claims vehemently he did say.
Would you agree that the "innuendo" was brought to a screeching halt when Wilson admitted that he had no idea whether VP Cheney even knew that he was going to Niger?
Perhaps silverleaf can't, but I can. The following is an excerpt from Joseph Wilson's July 6, 2003 article in the New York Times entitled "What I Didn't Find in Africa."
"It was my experience in Africa that led me to play a small role in the effort to verify information about Africa's suspected link to Iraq's nonconventional weapons programs. Those news stories about that unnamed former envoy who went to Niger? That's me...In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the [CIA] that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake...by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office."
Wilson, himself, draws a direct line between the reason for his trip and the Vice President.
In the first half of 2003, Joe Wilson was running around Washington telling everyone who would listen that he went to Africa at the request of the VP. There is a mountain of evidence to this effect from a wide array of people.
In his 2003 NYT piece, Wilson couches the claim a bit more carefully than he was doing in what he thought at the time were private conversations he had with reporters. Conversations he thought would never see the light of day. Nevertheless, even while being a smidgen more circumspect in his NYT piece, Wilson publicly draws the direct line between his trip and the VP.
That's just fact. For some reason, many folks like to claim he did say exactly that. But he didn't - except, as I said, in these private conversations no one has seen recounted by the hearers.
Oh you mean because you are the only one here defending this utterly shameful prosecution and the incompetant scumbag FitzFong. Are you related to him?
Good info, thanks.
I seem to recall that last week we learned Wilson was tapped for this trip before the OFFICE of the VP asked about the info.
Such a slender thread to be used for so long, it must be getting quite tattered by now. But when that's all one has to hang a lie on... ;-)
A "uniformed"reporter??? Is that a reporter for the Stars and Stripes???
Thank you for the answer to my question to lugsoul about the time line of when Wilson was tapped for the trip to Niger vs the time that VP Cheney asked for more info. I find that very interesting and indicative of the CIA/Wilson deception in attributing the origin for the trip being Cheney's request.