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McCain Faces Fight on the Right (Dobson Will Not Support McCain 'Under any Circumstances')
Portland Oregonian ^ | 2.12.07 | David Reinhard

Posted on 02/13/2007 8:37:03 AM PST by meg88

McCain faces fight for the right David Reinhard Portland Oregonian February 12, 2007

When successful Republican presidential candidates talk about their base, they're usually talking about the GOP's social conservatives. When Arizona Sen. John McCain talks about his base, he's referring to the mainstream media.

Which helps explain two things. One, why McCain was not a successful Republican presidential candidate eight years ago. Two, why he's taken steps over the last few years to get right with the religious right.

Will it work? As Democrats cogitate over Barack Obama's challenge to front-runner Hillary Clinton, will the new McCain complicate matters for the old McCain and threaten his front-runner status among Republicans?

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For most successful candidates, politics is about addition, not subtraction. This presidential campaign, however, McCain is involved in something of a zero-sum game. Securing a traditional GOP base could come at the expense of losing his old media base.

In 2000, his admirers in the mainstream media loved the tough-talking war hero of "Straight Talk Express." The Arizona maverick opposed George Bush and famously railed against "agents of intolerance" like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and other conservative religious leaders. Since then, he's been a conquering hero of Jon Stewart and "The Daily Show," a Republican worthy of puff-ball questioning. But McCain has committed two unpardonable sins in the eyes of the media clerisy. He has backed Bush's Iraq war to the hilt and gone out of his way to make up with Falwell and religious conservatives. Sacre bleu!

McCain's wooing of GOP social conservatives has not been pretty to watch. And, if recent developments are any guide, the effort might prove unproductive.

Recently, perhaps the most influential Christian conservative gave McCain a stiff-bristled brushoff. "Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances," said Focus on the Family's James Dobson in a radio interview. "He is not in favor of traditional marriage, and I pray that we will not get stuck with him."

McCain's alleged opposition to traditional marriage would probably astonish the most determined McCain watcher. Didn't he, after all, favor a traditional marriage measure that was on the Arizona ballot last November? Why, yes, he did. But right before Dobson let loose, his radio-show host had run a clip of McCain telling "Hardball" host Chris Matthews, "I think, uh ... I think that gay marriage should be allowed if there's a ceremony kind of thing, if you wanna call it that. ... I don't have any problem with that."

McCain had, indeed, uttered the same words before an Iowa State University crowd last fall, but – well, isn't there always a but? A quotation yanked out of context or something said in humor is treated seriously. In this case, "but" only highlights McCain's problem courting the GOP's traditional-values base.

In the same sentence that Dobson's radio interviewer found so damning, McCain had appended his own but: "But I do believe in preserving the sanctity of the union between man and woman." Yes, it made for an illogical sentence, and McCain and his handler realized they had a damage-control problem. After the next break, a student asked about a farm issue and McCain answered it. But before moving to the next question he said, "Could I just mention one other thing? On the issue of the gay marriage, I believe if people want to have private ceremonies, that's fine. I do not believe that gay marriages should be legal."


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2008; electionpresident; elections; fakerepublicans; hunter; mccain; phonies; rinos; romney
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1 posted on 02/13/2007 8:37:09 AM PST by meg88
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To: meg88
While I'm not 100% with Dobsen... I agree with him on this one. I wont support McCain or Rudy under any circumstances.

Newt, Mitt or Duncan is the way the GOP needs to go if they want my vote.
2 posted on 02/13/2007 8:40:12 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: meg88

It's sad that McCain is sitting in Barry Goldwater's Senate seat.


3 posted on 02/13/2007 8:41:16 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: taxcontrol

I'm not sure which republican candidate I will support in the republican primaries as they have not all entered the "race" yet.

I will tell you one thing for sure:
1) I WILL DEFINATELY VOTE IN THE GENERAL 2008 NOVEMBER ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT
2) I WILL VOTE FOR WHOMEVER THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IS WHO IS RUNNING AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON.


5 posted on 02/13/2007 8:42:58 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: meg88
There's an old saying that Johnny boy should have learned a long time ago:
Be careful that the toes you step on today aren't attached to the a$$ you may have to kiss tomorrow.
6 posted on 02/13/2007 8:43:38 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: TonyRo76

7 posted on 02/13/2007 8:43:41 AM PST by meg88
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To: meg88
On the issue of the gay marriage, I believe if people want to have private ceremonies, that's fine. I do not believe that gay marriages should be legal."

That is the position most people take. Who cares what people want to do on their own time?

8 posted on 02/13/2007 8:45:22 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I don't think there is much risk of McCain getting through the primaries. He will screw up somewhere and make a big mistake


9 posted on 02/13/2007 8:47:45 AM PST by meg88
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To: meg88

I remember back in 2000 when McCain was running against Bush in the primaries. Quite a few people in my church, including the pastor, were supporting him.

Then right before the Carolina! primary he dissed Pat Robertson and other Christian conservatives. Overnight everyone switched to Bush. I never saw someone shoot themselves in the foot with such relish.

The MSM couldn't figure out what happened.


10 posted on 02/13/2007 8:48:28 AM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: taxcontrol
Newt, Mitt or Duncan is the way the GOP needs to go if they want my vote.

If conservatives don't unite behind the most electable of those three -- Mitt -- then it seems probable that we will end up with McCain or Rudy.

11 posted on 02/13/2007 8:49:36 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: 1Old Pro

Amen, brother--we all better vote for whomever the Republican candidate is in this election. Having a democrat elected this go-around could very well be the end of this country, IMHO. I think the terrorists are waiting for a dem to win--then they will start massive attacks against us on our own soil. They already know that the dems are appeasers, not warriors.


12 posted on 02/13/2007 8:52:40 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: meg88

McCain - Feingold '08


13 posted on 02/13/2007 8:53:30 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Be careful that the toes you step on today aren't attached to the a$$ you may have to kiss tomorrow.

Yep. McCain has been an asshat for years. He's made his bed sucking up to the MSM and blowing off conservatives, now let him sleep in it.

14 posted on 02/13/2007 8:54:25 AM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: meg88

I would not support McCain either. After he pi**ed on the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, I have no respect for him.


15 posted on 02/13/2007 8:54:38 AM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: basil

"McCain's wooing of GOP social conservatives has not been pretty to watch."

Yeah, what ever happended to the "Straight Talk Express"? It's in storage, replaced with the "Doubletalk Express".


16 posted on 02/13/2007 8:55:21 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: 1Old Pro

Ditto


17 posted on 02/13/2007 8:57:42 AM PST by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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To: taxcontrol
Newt, Mitt or Duncan is the way the GOP needs to go if they want my vote.

Duncan Hunter appears to be the most conservative of the three. I will always vote for the most conservative candidate in any election - primary or general.

18 posted on 02/13/2007 8:59:11 AM PST by Terabitten (How is there no anger in the words I hear, only love and mercy, erasing every fear" - Rez Band)
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To: meg88

I am one of the 'I will never vote for McCain- EVER' people.


19 posted on 02/13/2007 8:59:29 AM PST by rintense (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

"Newt, Mitt or Duncan is the way the GOP needs to go if they want my vote.
If conservatives don't unite behind the most electable of those three -- Mitt -- then it seems probable that we will end up with McCain or Rudy."

Except Mitt is just as unelectable because of the Mormon thing.


20 posted on 02/13/2007 9:00:43 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: I still care

Robertson is an idiot. Not refuting his BS would gove me reason to wonder about a candidate


21 posted on 02/13/2007 9:00:53 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: meg88

No one will ever convince me there isn't an issue too outlandish, or principle too sacred that McCain wouldn't embrace or sacrifice it, whatever the case may be, if he perceived it would help him in his quest. Does he really think that media and the "friendly" dems won't turn on him in a heartbeat and destroy him viciously if he ever did get the nod? He really believes they are his friends? For all his faults (and they are legion) I'd take Rudy over the weasle any day. It's hard to vote for someone you wouldn't turn your back on.


22 posted on 02/13/2007 9:02:34 AM PST by joebuck
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To: basil
You wrote: "Having a democrat elected this go-around could very well be the end of this country, IMHO. I think the terrorists are waiting for a dem to win--then they will start massive attacks against us on our own soil. They already know that the dems are appeasers, not warriors."

I tend to agree, but am not so worried about it. It may need to get much worse before it can get better. We need a strong shot of something to wake people up. As I see things with RINO after RINO we will loose the country anyway - to globalist policies, rampant immigration. And we'll never have a flash point that would give us the chance to fight back.

The enemy within is just as, or more, significant than the Muz nutjobs. The 'enemy within' is on a long winning streak.

Voting for Hillary might be the only way to bring a lot of this to a head.

23 posted on 02/13/2007 9:02:39 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Terabitten

Romney with either Hunter or someone from the South with good credentials would be an electable ticket.


24 posted on 02/13/2007 9:03:10 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
I see Newt' downside, for sure. He has a lot of baggage, some of it unfairly attached to him.

Why do you view Mitt as more electable than Hunter?

25 posted on 02/13/2007 9:04:39 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: meg88
The democrats are licking their jowls over the hope that Rudy, Romney or McCain will be the MSM and RNC choice for the republican nominee.
26 posted on 02/13/2007 9:07:38 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: meg88
""Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances," said Focus on the Family's James Dobson...."

I agree with Dr Dobson, but not just because of the gay marriage statement. McCain has been slapping me and my beliefs in the face for years....everything from judges on down. In fact, his little band of 14 guaranteed that even if he is the Republican nominee, I won't vote for him. I believe him to be seriously unstable, and therefore even more of a threat to the country than the Democrats are (and that is a serious statement coming from one who has never voted D in 37 year)

27 posted on 02/13/2007 9:07:43 AM PST by Grammy
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To: Jack Black

You make some very valid points. Seems we're between the proverbial rock and hard place!


28 posted on 02/13/2007 9:11:24 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: rintense
I think McCain should be in prison serving a sentence for violating the 1A rights of millions. Rudy should be his cell mate for violating the 2A rights of millions. I guess that harming an individual is often seen as a crime, but harming millions is seen as politics. These two are an embarrassment to the Republican party. I would never vote for either of these clowns.
29 posted on 02/13/2007 9:12:01 AM PST by MtnClimber
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To: Jack Black
Why do you view Mitt as more electable than Hunter?

Just a few things off the top of my head - I am sure there are other reasons:

Strong and proven, executive leadership

Name recognition

Millions of dollars

Outside the beltway - not linked with do nothing (but spend) Congress

Fresh face, appeals to those who want a change

Charisma, "it" factor

Fiscally and socially conservative, but not extreme

Appeals to women, independents and democrats (elected in blue state)

Exudes confidence, optimism and intelligence

30 posted on 02/13/2007 9:19:49 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: meg88
McLame is absolutely my least favorite Republican.

On a side note, while I agree with Dr. Dobson, I'd like to know why I should otherwise be interested in which candidates these religious leaders endorse?

31 posted on 02/13/2007 9:25:06 AM PST by shekkian
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To: taxcontrol

I'm voting against Hillary/Bammy/Breck Girl/Kyoto's plan to destroy our freedom.


32 posted on 02/13/2007 9:38:21 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: meg88

Wow.

So who hasn't he ruled out then, just Gingrich and Romney (of the "big four")?


33 posted on 02/13/2007 9:46:13 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: cake_crumb

---"I'm voting against Hillary/Bammy/Breck Girl/Kyoto's plan to destroy our freedom."---


I'm adding Rudy to that equation. No Rudy!


34 posted on 02/13/2007 9:46:54 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: Jack Black
"Voting for Hillary might be the only way to bring a lot of this to a head."

Why, to punish the "two party cartel"? You people were telling us to vote for Algore in 2000 - half of the three-man team that brought us the conditions perfect for 9/11/01 to occur, and then wanted us to vote Hanoi Johnnie Boy in 2004, just because it "might bring things to a head."

No. I'll vote for McStain before I vote for Hillary, another half of the three-man team which created the conditions for 9/11/01 to occur, but will fight like hell to get Hunter and/or Romney on the ticket instead of McStain.

35 posted on 02/13/2007 9:47:11 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: Fiji Hill
It's sad that McCain is sitting in Barry Goldwater's Senate seat.

You're right - Goldwater would never sink so low as to suck up to scumbags like James Dobson.
36 posted on 02/13/2007 9:48:07 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: FastCoyote
Except Mitt is just as unelectable because of the Mormon thing.

Yeah, that's what they said about JFK and Catholicism. Massachusetts elected Mitt Romney and Michigan elected George Romney 3 times.

Seems like plenty of Mormons are getting elected. Mormons account for 1.6% of the U.S. population, but more than 5% of elected representatives in congress.

Just a few examples:

In the House of Representatives there is Jeff Flake (AZ), John Doolittle (CA), Wally Herger (CA), Howard McKeon (CA), Ernest Istook (OK), Mike Simpson (ID), Thomas Udall (NM), Rob Bishop (UT), and Chris Cannon (UT). All, except Udall, are Republican. There are 21 Mormon members in the House of Representatives all together and 5 senators.

I would hope that our country has moved on beyond the religious bigotry that plagued JFK's run.

37 posted on 02/13/2007 9:51:34 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: TitansAFC
I like Romney for a candidate. Though I support Hunter for president, the only way he can get elected is if he's on a successful '08 ticket as VP.

Before the Pavlovian knees start jerking, the only reason I say this is because no member of the House has ever run a successful candidate for president, and anyone who thinks the same media having orgasms over Bammy thinks they'll give an unknown like Hunter the time of day without the kind of gravitas he can gain as a former VP is living in a fantasy world.

I don't understand the "Skull and Bones" response to Romney. He's running for CHIEF EXECUTIVE, not as a LAWMAKER. People are afraid he's going to decree that Mormonism is our new state religion and we all have to wear Mormon underwear under threat of being arrested by the Mormon Morality police?? The president of the US doesn't have that kind of power.

38 posted on 02/13/2007 9:56:59 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: MarineBrat

I suspect there are quite a few Swift Boat Vets just waiting for McC to officially announce his candidacy.......


39 posted on 02/13/2007 10:02:26 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

Why do you call James Dobson a scumbag?


40 posted on 02/13/2007 10:05:46 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: meg88

McCain is a moderate at best. He has forgotten where he has come from, like all the other career politicians.


41 posted on 02/13/2007 10:05:51 AM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: Fiji Hill
It's sad that McCain is sitting in Barry Goldwater's Senate seat.

Goldwater was pro-gay too. Had a gay grandson, if I remember correctly. And like McCain, Goldwater didn't support a federal ban on gay relationships.

42 posted on 02/13/2007 10:06:31 AM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: misterrob
Who cares what people want to do on their own time?

People like James Dobson.
43 posted on 02/13/2007 10:07:50 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: meg88; taxcontrol

I will not support McCain in primary or general.

If he's the nominee or the VP, I will write in Hunter/Tancredo/Gingrich/(even)Giuliani.

The man has done all he can to undermine Pres. Bush; he has been anti-free speech; he has been anti-evangelical; he lied about Bush's statement that the war would be long and hard; and he is anti-family.

The media likes him.

That tells me all I need to know.


44 posted on 02/13/2007 10:12:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

you forgot that great head of hair.


45 posted on 02/13/2007 10:21:47 AM PST by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: meg88

As soon as McCain gives the Aye vote for amnesty it'll be time for the fork. The non-senate candidates are thankful they won't have to stick their necks out like he will have to.


46 posted on 02/13/2007 10:25:24 AM PST by Ieatfrijoles (Incinerate Riyadh Now.)
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To: teddyballgame
you forgot that great head of hair.

That's because Hunter has a great head of hair too, so that wouldn't count.

47 posted on 02/13/2007 10:26:45 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: rintense
I am one of the 'I will never vote for McCain- EVER' people.

The "Gang of 14" was the straw that broke the third camel's back with me.

48 posted on 02/13/2007 10:30:25 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel is the Republican Joe Biden!)
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To: Fiji Hill
Well, I will admit that "scumbag" may not have been the best word choice, but it was the first one that came to mind to describe this man who I absolutely loathe. I think his view that homosexuality is a curable disease is absolutely despicable, among the many other problems I have with the extremely narrow-minded agenda he attempts to push upon the American people. However, my biggest problems are not with him specifically, but the whole "Christian Right" in general.

James Dobson, like many other "leaders" before him, are responsible for destroying the Republican Party. While it's true that the GOP has a solidified base of social "conservatives" (who are anything but), especially in the South, this has not come for free. Many traditional, small-government conservatives were very wary of the Christian Right from early on. Barry Goldwater, the man credited with sparking the modern conservative movement, was one of their most vocal opponents.

This coalition held together well throughout the 80's, as evidenced by Reagan's two landslide wins. However, as the Christian Right gained strength in the party, and the party gained strength in the South, many Republicans, especially in the Northeast, West Coast, and parts of the Midwest, jumped ship. Believe it or not, states like New Jersey, Illinois, and California were once considered locks for the Republican Party. Now they're solid blue states.

Far worse than the party's size shrinking, however, was its principles being compromised. Goldwater conservatives wrestled the party away from big-government liberals, advocating small government, free markets, and individual liberty. Now the party has been taken over by a different group of big-government liberals, only these ones have the audacity to call themselves conservative.

The very idea of using government to enforce morality is, at its very core, liberal. It is the view that more government power can provide the best solution a problem (which sometimes isn't really even a problem to begin with). This strategy of appealing to the lowest common denominator (also practiced by the Democrats with their class warfare rhetoric) caused the Republican Party to start be filled with social "conservatives" who have no interest in political and economic conservatism.

They may favor tax cuts, but they sure don't favor spending cuts. That's the heart of today's "conservative" - they want big government, they just don't want to pay for it. Many are downright hostile to the concept of free trade, and many love to scapegoat "big corporations" for their problems. So much for being the pro-business party.

This new Republican base, energized by leaders like James Dobson, has increasingly alienated more and more of the traditional Republican base. This is why the GOP is continuing to loose ground in the West, and will soon only be a viable party in the South and in the strip from North Dakota to Texas. To add insult to injury, this "base" is not even reliable. James Dobson has continually attempted to hold the Republican Party hostage, threatening to cut off support if all of his goals are not met. You can't meet him at 90%, let alone half-way - it's Dobson's way or the highway.

Republican Party leaders continue to cave to this bullying, thus making them less and less appealing to the general electorate. I believe that the 2006 elections were so bad for the GOP because they tried so hard to accommodate the James Dobsons of the country, and yet many evangelicals still sat the election out, because they felt as though the GOP didn't do enough for them. If the party ever gets to the point of completely, unequivocally supporting that type of agenda, then they will likely loose ALL other support.

I think the Republican Party needs to wake up to this and just finally cut these nutjobs loose once and for all, and let them start their own party. If not, then I think we will see the emergence of a new third party, which will slowly replace the Republicans as the other major party.
49 posted on 02/13/2007 10:55:54 AM PST by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: meg88
The Real McCain

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II

John McCain Gets Soros Cash

John McCain Is No Hero

U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate

JOHN MCCAIN, WARTS AND ALL

John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts... (thread by Jim Robinson)

McCain Is Booed by Labor Activists

McCain Rides to Kerry's Rescue: "John Kerry is Not Weak on Defense" (Today Show alert)

John McCain SCREAMS AT 9/11 FSA MEMBERS FOR OPPOSING HIS BILL TO GIVE AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS

John McCain's Skeleton Closet

A number of articles on McCain. (some the same as above)

McCain/Soros by Rabbi Areyh Spero

Soros' "Reform" (an article about Soros‘ instrumental hand in McCain/Feingold)

Not Child‘s Play [McCain/Schumer bill could effect FR?]

McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)

The Turning Point on Global Warming (McCain and Lieberman Op-Ed Alert)

McCain Looked into Caucusing with Democrats

Climate bill sets stage for debate (Sens. McCain, Obama, and Lieberman join forces)

McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives (Club For Growth)

John McCain Goes Left for Money

Sens. Snowe, Collins to head Maine exploratory committee for McCain

Double Talk Express. McCain in his own words. VIDEO

50 posted on 02/13/2007 11:07:15 AM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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