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Daguerreotype of Young Abraham Lincoln (Amazing NEW picture of Lincoln ca early 1840s)
PORTRAIT OF LINCOLN: ^

Posted on 02/13/2007 3:32:34 PM PST by PJ-Comix


President Lincoln - 1862
Kaplan
Copyright Albert Kaplan 1983

(click on image for the
full daguerreotype plate)

In 1977 Albert Kaplan purchased the daguerreotype receipted as "Portrait of a Young Man" from an art gallery in New York. "When I first saw it I thought that there were similarities between the handsome, aristocratic, and tastefully groomed young man of the daguerreotype, and my mental image of President Lincoln."

Over the years Kaplan researched and assembled materials which cast light on the physical man, Lincoln. Kaplan believed that the best qualified people to analyze the image, and the assembled materials, to consider whether the daguerreotype is of Abraham Lincoln, would be plastic and reconstructive surgeons who work with the human face. In 1987 Kaplan, then living in Paris, sought out Dr. Claude N. Frechette, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon at the American Hospital in Paris, whose report "A New Lincoln Image" is here included. A second report, "Artifact Description of Kaplan Daguerreotype", is by Grant B. Romer, Conservator of the George Eastman House International Museum of Photography & Film in Rochester, New York.

The only other known, and hitherto earliest, daguerreotype of Lincoln, Meserve #1, in the possession of the Library of Congress, was a gift of Robert Todd Lincoln to Frederick Hill Meserve. Meserve reported that "Lincoln believed it was made in Washington in 1848".

In 1965, the New York Academy of Sciences published "Abraham Lincoln's Philosophy Of Common Sense - An Analytical Biography of a Great Mind", by Edward J. Kempf, M.D., a neurologist and psychiatrist whose interest in Lincoln began when he first saw the Volk life mask, from which he inferred that Lincoln must have suffered a serious cranial injury in childhood. After investigating further, Dr. Kempf found Lincoln's own account of having been kicked in the forehead by a horse at age 10 years and "thought dead for awhile." The nature of the cerebral damage, and how it might have influenced the development of Lincoln's personality and mind became a question of absorbing interest to the author. The resulting analytical biography was the product of the author's 12 subsequent years of research.

Because the trauma-induced deformations of Lincoln's face, distinctly described by Dr. Kempf, are seen unmistakably in the Kaplan daguerreotype, providing in themselves compelling evidence in support of the daguerreotype's authenticity, we reprint the Kempf analysis (from the title page to the end of Chapter I of Volume I).

An earlier Kempf study of Lincoln's cranial injury appeared in the April 1952 American Medical Association (AMA) Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry, Volume 67, Number 4, entitled, "Abraham Lincoln's Organic and Emotional Neurosis".


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KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; expertsonacid; lincon; notevenclose; notlincoln; wishfulthinking
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I found this new image of Abraham Lincoln to be absolutely fascinating. It is definitely him but in a way we never saw before. However, knowing something of his biography, it does not surprise me that Lincoln had a sort of aristocratic bearing when younger bordering almost on arrogance at one time. Time gave him wisdom. Anyway, here is the full daguerreotype:


1 posted on 02/13/2007 3:32:38 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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I see why he grew a beard. Weak chin.


2 posted on 02/13/2007 3:34:58 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: PJ-Comix

Am I the only one who was expecting Obama?


3 posted on 02/13/2007 3:35:23 PM PST by billhilly
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To: PJ-Comix

Looks like a guy who could trounce someone in a debate with ease.


4 posted on 02/13/2007 3:35:32 PM PST by Enterprise (Drop pork bombs on the Islamofascist wankers. Praise the Lord and pass the hammunition.)
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To: PJ-Comix

We lost a war to THAT? ;*)


5 posted on 02/13/2007 3:36:50 PM PST by groanup (USMC: When it absolutely, positively HAS to be destroyed overnight.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Wow! He was not bad looking (not really good looking either) but much more normal than I expected. I always heard that he was ugly, this surprises me.


6 posted on 02/13/2007 3:36:58 PM PST by colorcountry (Remember: Everyone seems normal until you get to know them.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Strange...everything in the younger Lincoln photo looks like the older one, except the nose. The nose doesn't look the same, even when giving allowances for aging.

He wasn't a bad looking guy. He's got that "butt" chin thing going on, just like my husband. ;)


7 posted on 02/13/2007 3:37:11 PM PST by madison10
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To: PJ-Comix
Copyright Albert Kaplan 1983

Hm.

8 posted on 02/13/2007 3:37:23 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Interesting.


9 posted on 02/13/2007 3:37:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Dude thats kinda creepy,LOL!


10 posted on 02/13/2007 3:37:32 PM PST by cmsgop ( How do we know he's NOT Mel Torme?)
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To: PJ-Comix

Odd that the first Republican was kicked in the head by a member of the donkey family...


11 posted on 02/13/2007 3:37:39 PM PST by null and void (This sentence no verb...)
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To: groanup
We lost a war to THAT? ;*)

No, dear, you lost the war to "that's" brain.

12 posted on 02/13/2007 3:38:36 PM PST by madison10
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To: PJ-Comix

There's something creepy about that picture, what is it?


13 posted on 02/13/2007 3:38:44 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: MeanWestTexan
I see why he grew a beard. Weak chin.

He did it at the suggestion of an 8-year old girl. He liked the results so much that he made sure to stop and thank her personally while he was out on campaign.

Great olde tyme photo op, that.

14 posted on 02/13/2007 3:39:05 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: PJ-Comix

This picture came out a couple of years ago on Ebay and caused quite a debate in the Lincoln historical community. Someone did a computer analysis on it and determined that this was NOT Lincoln. I remember it well, because a couple of my colleagues and I had a very intense discussion about it at the time.


15 posted on 02/13/2007 3:39:56 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: PJ-Comix

Granted, I'm no expert, but I don't buy it. Too many differences in things like the line of the nose, the upper lip, angle of the ears, distance between jawbone and ear, etc.


16 posted on 02/13/2007 3:41:46 PM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Andy'smom
There's something creepy about that picture, what is it?

He looks like Edgar Allan Poe's brother.

17 posted on 02/13/2007 3:41:47 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

The nose is almost identical in both pictures. Normally with age, the nose grows longer so that explains the differences. The ears are identical so that is one dead giveaway. Also if you look at a picture of the latter 1840s when he was in Congress, you can see even more similarities with the first picture, especially in the identical cleft chins.


18 posted on 02/13/2007 3:41:47 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix

"Copyright Albert Kaplan 1983"

Okay, dude, I know that is really, like, totally not Abe Lincoln cuz he died way before 1983.


jk


19 posted on 02/13/2007 3:41:51 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: PJ-Comix

bump


20 posted on 02/13/2007 3:42:02 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: PJ-Comix
I get a "Document doe not exist on this server" for the link described thusly:

An earlier Kempf study of Lincoln's cranial injury appeared in the April 1952 American Medical Association (AMA) Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry, Volume 67, Number 4, entitled, "Abraham Lincoln's Organic and Emotional Neurosis".

21 posted on 02/13/2007 3:42:51 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: PJ-Comix
Albert Kaplan used to send me emails. He insisted that Abraham Lincoln was Jewish, even though there is no genealogical evidence to support this claim.

I don't know if there is any biometric comparison to validate this photograph. Kaplan is loopy, IMO.

22 posted on 02/13/2007 3:43:18 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: PJ-Comix

Cheek bone structure seems all wrong. I don't buy it.


23 posted on 02/13/2007 3:43:22 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: william clark
You don't buy it? Then take a look at this 1848 picture of Lincoln. Those cleft chins are IDENTICAL:


24 posted on 02/13/2007 3:43:47 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix

You're joking, right?


25 posted on 02/13/2007 3:44:26 PM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: PJ-Comix

Gads. And we think Obama has big ears!


26 posted on 02/13/2007 3:45:34 PM PST by null and void (This sentence no verb...)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Oops! I meant YOU don't buy it. Not the other guy. Take a look at the 1848 Lincoln pic above. The cleft chins are identical. Besides, the Lincoln in the first picture is only in his early 30s. Naturally Lincoln that young would look like our image of "Lincoln." The only one who looked the same old as young was maybe Churchill who had a baby face.


27 posted on 02/13/2007 3:46:04 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Enterprise

He could trounce someone wrestling, too. Which he did, often while he was serving in the military.


28 posted on 02/13/2007 3:46:05 PM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: madison10
No, dear, you lost the war to "that's" brain.

LOL, thanks for the laugh.

29 posted on 02/13/2007 3:47:39 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: PJ-Comix
Are there any Lincoln descendants?
30 posted on 02/13/2007 3:47:56 PM PST by JRochelle (SuperBowl MVP Peyton Manning is a Republican!)
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To: william clark
You're joking, right?

Nope. Look at the nose, ear structure, and especially cleft chin. Also read the article. That photo was analyzed by professionals.

31 posted on 02/13/2007 3:48:12 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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There's something creepy about that picture, what is it? I think it is the suggestion of dandyism, something impossible to square with the common perception of Lincoln.
32 posted on 02/13/2007 3:48:16 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Avenge Curt Weldon!)
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Cheek bone structure seems all wrong. I don't buy it.

Me, either. The younger photo is creepy, while the wedding photo is not. It's a good try, though.

One difference MAY be the disease that Mr. Lincoln was supposed to have had. It may have stretched out his facial structure, I doubt it.

33 posted on 02/13/2007 3:48:21 PM PST by madison10
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Fine, you can have the chins. Look how much higher the ears are above the jawbone on Lincoln. And how the daguerrotype subject's ears are at a slight angle compared to Lincoln's. I don't know what they're called, but the lines created by the front of the cheekbones coming away from the nose on Lincoln are nowhere to be seen on the other subject. Add to that the fact that this second image of Lincoln you're offering shows him to be about the same age as the subject in the daguerrotype, and no great amount of sleuthing is necessary to determine that they're not the same man.


34 posted on 02/13/2007 3:50:34 PM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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...from which he inferred that Lincoln must have suffered a serious cranial injury in childhood. After investigating further, Dr. Kempf found Lincoln's own account of having been kicked in the forehead by a horse at age 10 years and "thought dead for awhile."

Can anybody see what the "serious cranial injury" is? I can't.

35 posted on 02/13/2007 3:51:21 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Avenge Curt Weldon!)
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I think it is the suggestion of dandyism, something impossible to square with the common perception of Lincoln.

Most young men have a bit of dandyism in them. Moses probably looked like a bit of a dandy when young. A beard and time really does change an appearance. However, the basic facial structures are the same in all the pictures. Nose, ears, and, especially cleft chin. Also note the identical bulging cheek bones in the pictures.

36 posted on 02/13/2007 3:52:35 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: madison10

The ravages of the elements(?) on the skin are very dramatic, I think, too.


37 posted on 02/13/2007 3:53:49 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Avenge Curt Weldon!)
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To: JRochelle

No Lincoln descendants. Only one of four kids made it into adulthood, Robert, who went on to be ambassador to Britain and Sec. of War. His kids did not have kids.


38 posted on 02/13/2007 3:53:52 PM PST by since 1854 (www.republicanbasics.com)
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It is fascinating, but I'm not sure about this.

There's a definite similarity between the two pictures.

How much is because of the identical pose and angle, though?

I wouldn't take the Kaplan and Meserve Lincolns for the same person.

Try this one:

I see the uncanny similarity in the nose, but there are differences as well.

39 posted on 02/13/2007 3:54:26 PM PST by x
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To: madison10

Marfan syndrome

Marfan syndrome is an inherited disorder of connective tissue, although about one-quarter of all cases occur without any family history of the syndrome.


40 posted on 02/13/2007 3:54:37 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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I don't know ... and it really doesn't matter to me if it's him or not, but the daguerreotype you posted is reversed.

(For comparative purposes?)

41 posted on 02/13/2007 3:54:44 PM PST by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: billhilly
Am I the only one who was expecting Obama?

All right, den

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42 posted on 02/13/2007 3:54:46 PM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: william clark
Look how much higher the ears are above the jawbone on Lincoln.

Um. That's because the jawbone APPEARS to be lower due to the beard. BTW, I now have a full beard and when I show pics of myself clean-shaven to other people, they think I am just putting them on. The beard does drastically alter a man's appearance.

43 posted on 02/13/2007 3:55:08 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: madison10

Consider as well that the photos have different lighting angles and that the collar in the second photo is covering part of the jaw line.


44 posted on 02/13/2007 3:55:36 PM PST by Carl LaFong ( Hi !)
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To: thegreatbeast
Can anybody see what the "serious cranial injury" is? I can't.

I cannot see any injury,either. Also, the eye-socket setting isn't even right. The wedding photo of Lincoln shows a man with much gentler eyes, those of a man who had already been through a great deal: Poverty, abuse, and extremely hard work. The other guy looks like a cocky, bug-eyed, mama's boy.

45 posted on 02/13/2007 3:55:37 PM PST by madison10
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To: PJ-Comix

Well, in my opinion, such professionals "saw him coming." I mean, come on, especially if it hasn't even been dated, this is just wishful thinking.


46 posted on 02/13/2007 3:56:23 PM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: GretchenM

Bump.


47 posted on 02/13/2007 3:56:29 PM PST by paulat
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To: PJ-Comix
Oh, yeah, can you fix the Meserve #1 link? It doesn't work for me.
Interesting post, thanks.
48 posted on 02/13/2007 3:56:58 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Avenge Curt Weldon!)
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Looks a lot like a cross between jimmie carter and bill clinton. The worst three presidents in history.

Between these three, lincoln, carter and clinton, it is amazon we have a Constitution or a Republic left.

49 posted on 02/13/2007 3:57:15 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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I wasn't being fooled by the beard. I know how to gauge such things, but the unbearded Lincoln photo certainly does more dramatically emphasize my point.


50 posted on 02/13/2007 3:57:56 PM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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