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Kansas Repeals Evolution Ruling
CBS ^ | February 13, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 02/13/2007 6:47:47 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger

The Kansas state Board of Education on Tuesday repealed science guidelines questioning evolution that had made the state an object of ridicule.

The new guidelines reflect mainstream scientific views of evolution and represent a political defeat for advocates of "intelligent design," who had helped write the standards that are being jettisoned. The intelligent design concept holds that life is so complex that it must have been created by a higher authority.

The board removed language suggesting that key evolutionary concepts are controversial and being challenged by new research, and approved a new definition of science that limits it to the search for natural explanations of what's observed in the universe, reports CBS Radio affiliate WIBW in Topeka. The new guidelines are the fifth set of science standards for Kansas public schools in eight years.

Also approved was a new definition of science, specifically limiting it to the search for natural explanations of what is observed in the universe.

"Those standards represent mainstream scientific consensus about both what science is and what evolution is," said Jack Krebs, a math and technology teacher who helped write the new guidelines. He is also president of Kansas Citizens for Science.

The state uses its standards to develop tests that measure how well students are learning science. Although decisions about what is taught in classrooms remain with 296 local school boards, both sides in the evolution dispute say the standards will influence teachers as they try to ensure that their students test well.

John Calvert, a retired attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said under the new standards, "students will be fed an answer which may be right or wrong" about questions like the origin of life.

"Who does that model put first?" he said. "The student, or those supplying the preordained 'natural explanation'?"

There have been debates or legal battles in several other states over evolution and the intelligent design argument, but none has inspired comedians' jokes or parodies like Kansas' ongoing battle has.

Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" had a four-part "Evolution Schmevolution" series in 2005, and hearings that year drew journalists from Canada, France, Britain and Japan.


TOPICS: Extended News; Philosophy; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: commonsenseprevails; crevolist; evolution; goddidit; idjunkscience; idlosesagain; intelligentdesign; kansas
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1 posted on 02/13/2007 6:47:49 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger
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Changes as they were proposed: A look at how Kansas' science standards would change
2 posted on 02/13/2007 6:50:08 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

No surprise...but... :-(


3 posted on 02/13/2007 6:54:00 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Democracy is a wonderful thing, and apparently Kansans decided they had had enough of making their children the laughing stock of the civilised world.


4 posted on 02/13/2007 7:02:23 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Oh I love this "that made the state an object of ridicule." I guess only one side matters according to this "news" source. Let me offer ridicule for this lousy "news" organization.


5 posted on 02/13/2007 7:02:40 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Sanity resurfaces and prevails.

More often than not, that is what happens in a (relatively) free society.

6 posted on 02/13/2007 7:06:30 PM PST by elkfersupper (Science bounces off the courthouse wall like virtue off a whorehouse.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

As a Christian Kansan I say "Thank you, God." I believe in teaching science in a science class.


7 posted on 02/13/2007 7:17:28 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Alter Kaker

Yes, they've made that decision a few times now.


8 posted on 02/13/2007 7:18:20 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: yldstrk

Do you believe in teaching evolution in science class?


9 posted on 02/13/2007 7:26:28 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: elkfersupper
Stifling of criticism and being forbidden from learning about some challenges to evolution certainly sounds like the hallmarks of a free society to me...
10 posted on 02/13/2007 7:27:22 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

How many of the students are reading at grade level? (As pitiful as that measure is ...)

How many can use fractions, percentages, do algebra? How many even know the FReepin' multiplication tables?

There's no excuse for free citizens' leaving their children's education in the hands of incompetent ideologues.


11 posted on 02/13/2007 7:30:11 PM PST by Tax-chick (Every "choice" has a direct object.)
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To: Tax-chick

Kansas was the one rare example where language that suggested some doubt on evolution was allowed. The other estimated 15,000 school districts in the nation all support evolution; how come we're suddenly looking at the records of Kansas after only a few months of these new science standards? Does this mean the academic failures across the board in the other thousands of districts can be attributed to the teaching of evolution?

How come home and private schools, the majority of which promote belief in the Bible and creation, excel academically?


12 posted on 02/13/2007 7:41:00 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
...questioning evolution that had made the state an object of ridicule.

That's funny, I haven't heard anyone "ridiculing" Kansas other than the atheist Commie pigs in the "media" and in the DemocRATik party. I guess I haven't been keeping up.

13 posted on 02/13/2007 7:45:29 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I thought this was worth sharing...

"From Tuesday Morning Quarterback by Gregg Easterbrook:

A Cosmic Thought: Cosmologists believe the Big Bang happened about 14 billion years ago, matter and energy filling the void in a process of unfathomable majesty, all the matter and energy of 100 billion galaxies coming from – well, we'll get back to you on that. For the first few hundred million years, it is thought, the firmament was dark: Matter was scattered and nebulae or stars had not yet formed, so there was no source of light. This assumption makes eerie the 3,000-year-old description, from Genesis, of the condition just after the creation: All "was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters." Cosmologists believe that initially almost all the matter in the universe was hydrogen – the main ingredient in water – and that it was moving outward from the point of the Big Bang at fantastic velocity, as if propelled by supernatural wind."


14 posted on 02/13/2007 7:49:00 PM PST by villagerjoel (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The simplest one-celled animal is more complex than anything man has ever built, and the RNA/DNA system is obviously an information code. The idea now is that anybody who notices this or says anything about it is supposed to be insane??


15 posted on 02/13/2007 7:54:43 PM PST by rickdylan
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Stifling of criticism and being forbidden from learning about some challenges to evolution certainly sounds like the hallmarks of a free society to me...

Only in an inappropriate forum....the classroom.

16 posted on 02/13/2007 7:59:10 PM PST by elkfersupper (Science bounces off the courthouse wall like virtue off a whorehouse.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

> how come we're suddenly looking at the records of Kansas
> after only a few months of these new science standards?

Probably because the people who were elected to kick out the fundie nitwits who generated the so-called "standards" were expected to repeal the so-called "standards" by their constituents.


17 posted on 02/13/2007 8:01:45 PM PST by voltaires_zit
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To: elkfersupper
The classroom is the wrong place to evaluate scientific beliefs critically??
18 posted on 02/13/2007 8:04:27 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: Alter Kaker
"and apparently Kansans decided they had had enough of making their children the laughing stock of the civilised world."

Interesting that you would use the exact paraphrase our liberal newspaper editors prefer. In the primary races last year, The Daily Kos proudly endorsed Republican candidates that would eliminate any scrutiny of "evolution".

19 posted on 02/13/2007 8:14:23 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I haven't heard anyone "ridiculing" Kansas other than the atheist Commie pigs in the "media" and in the DemocRATik party.

You can see it right here on FR...in this thread

20 posted on 02/13/2007 8:41:40 PM PST by NewLand (Always remember September 11, 2001)
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To: labette

"http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/7/9/133013/9907"


21 posted on 02/13/2007 8:52:53 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Yes, ridicule is the only thing the evolutionists have to offer. All the evidence so far has been exposed as fraudulent, but the evolutionists are immune to ridicule.

And why do legislatures think they have the competence to decide what is or is not science?

22 posted on 02/13/2007 9:05:58 PM PST by SmartAZ
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To: labette
I'm sure the good leftists over at Dailykos also believe in gravity and a round earth. I really couldn't care less what they're saying.

The real tragedy is that creationism -- shear idiocy -- has been somehow labeled "conservative."

There's nothing conservative about hating science.

23 posted on 02/13/2007 9:18:00 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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To: SmartAZ
All the evidence so far has been exposed as fraudulent, but the evolutionists are immune to ridicule.

The fossil record is fraudulent?

24 posted on 02/13/2007 9:18:42 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Common sense from Kansas ping. When will creationists learn that they are never going to win the Scopes Trial?


25 posted on 02/13/2007 11:04:28 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: elkfersupper
Sanity resurfaces and prevails. More often than not, that is what happens in a (relatively) free society.

Actually it happens more often than not in a secular society.

26 posted on 02/13/2007 11:08:23 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Tax-chick
There's no excuse for free citizens' leaving their children's education in the hands of incompetent ideologues.

But how else can this nation's children continue to be filled with liberal swill?

27 posted on 02/13/2007 11:11:13 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Our physical bodies are 99% chimpanzee DNA, our spiritual bodies came from god and return to god. Render unto ceasar what is ceasar's, render unto god what is god's. Who said that?


28 posted on 02/13/2007 11:23:03 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Does this mean the academic failures across the board in the other thousands of districts can be attributed to the teaching of evolution?

I've mentioned that a number of times myself. Public schools have been teaching a dumbed-down, outdated version of Darwinism for a couple of generations now. If this were the essential point of a great education, why are our science results so bad?

How come home and private schools, the majority of which promote belief in the Bible and creation, excel academically?

Probably because they realize that the keys to academic success are reading and math ... and discipline.

29 posted on 02/14/2007 4:05:23 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every "choice" has a direct object.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Ve mus not question a Theory!!

seig hiel.

30 posted on 02/14/2007 5:53:44 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (He who governs to please everyone pleases no one.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Remind me what creationists had to do with this thing at all?


31 posted on 02/14/2007 6:20:40 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
When will creationists learn that they are never going to win the Scopes Trial?

Do you actually know anything real about the Scopes trial?

Besides, it's the continuous media trial that irks me.

32 posted on 02/14/2007 7:24:29 AM PST by thulldud ("Para inglÚs, oprima el dos.")
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Strange that you don't know that the creationists did win the scopes trial. But that's the kind of awareness that I would expect from one who believes that such an imaginary mental prank as evolutionism should be called 'science.'


33 posted on 02/14/2007 7:53:05 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: elkfersupper
"that is what happens in a (relatively) free society"

Free societies don't tow (liberal) party lines on important issues like darwinism and man-made global warming, etc. etc. or fire people for questioning the lack of evidence for these "facts". The sad truth is that these darwinists refuse to entertain any alternate theories about life (despite overwhelming evidence contrary to darwinism) so they will always be "sane" and everyone else will be "insane".
34 posted on 02/14/2007 8:03:50 AM PST by razzle
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To: Alter Kaker
"There's nothing conservative about hating science."

That makes six consecutive words we can agree on.

35 posted on 02/14/2007 8:05:40 AM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: labette
That makes six consecutive words we can agree on.

You're not a conservative?

36 posted on 02/14/2007 8:10:20 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Hard headed brainwashed trained monkey)
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Also interesting.

My link in post 21 seems to have disappeared since last evening. I should still have the text on the home computer.

Freepmail me if anyone wants to see it.

37 posted on 02/14/2007 8:12:18 AM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The classroom is the wrong place to evaluate scientific beliefs critically??

The statement "scientific beliefs" showed me that even after somebody was at school he has no idea what science is about. First you have to learn something about what science is and what belief is. After what you have to learn something about scientific observations, hypothesis and theories. Then you can try to evaluate scientific hypothesis and theories.

The main problem with the IDists, Creationists and Young Earthers is they don't really know what they are talking about then they talk about evolution. Some talk about evolution in a non scientific meaning including the evolution of aircrafts. Others think Darwin's theory of evolution is equal to the actual theory of evolution used in biology. I realized only a minority here on these threads is able to specify what components are necessary for evolution in biological sense.

You can learn how to evaluate scientific observations, hypothesis or theories at school.
Universities and scientific papers are the place there science is evaluated.

In my opinion ID has to be taught in a biology class. Just to show the big difference between science and dogmatic beliefs.
38 posted on 02/14/2007 10:10:15 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: Alter Kaker
The real tragedy is that creationism -- shear idiocy -- has been somehow labeled "conservative." There's nothing conservative about hating science.

Someone once told me that they thought Creationism was an invention of the devil, in order to make the devout appear to be fools.

39 posted on 02/14/2007 10:13:04 AM PST by Wormwood (Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderate)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
How come home and private schools, the majority of which promote belief in the Bible and creation, excel academically.

Because they're being tested on math and reading and subjects other than biology?

40 posted on 02/14/2007 10:13:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Wormwood
Someone once told me that they thought Creationism was an invention of the devil, in order to make the devout appear to be fools.

Some of the devout here in Kansas don't need any help.

41 posted on 02/14/2007 10:14:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Remind me what creationists had to do with this thing at all?

Up until last November supports of teaching Creationism had the majority of the seats on the board. Now they don't.

42 posted on 02/14/2007 10:19:53 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I presume you read the language listed in the other thread. What about that language constitutes teaching creationism?


43 posted on 02/14/2007 10:44:51 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

What are your sources to support this claim?


44 posted on 02/14/2007 10:58:58 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Neither, apparently, do some Freepers.

For the record, it could be argued that, in hindsight, creationists did lose the Scopes trial.

45 posted on 02/14/2007 3:24:13 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
How come home and private schools, the majority of which promote belief in the Bible and creation, excel academically?

More involved parents, which is the usual key to K-12 academic success.

My son goes (and step-daughter went) to a non-religious private school and they -- as do several other non-religious private schools around here -- excel academically. Religion has little to do with it.

46 posted on 02/14/2007 3:35:36 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

But the fact is, the majority of private schools or homeschools are religious in nature. Therefore, clearly, the teaching of creation does not harm students academically as has been suggested.


47 posted on 02/14/2007 3:54:12 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: razzle
Free societies don't tow (liberal) party lines on important issues like darwinism

The word would be "toe", not "tow".

If this weren't so pathetic, it would be funny.

BTW, what is "darwinism"?

48 posted on 02/14/2007 5:40:06 PM PST by elkfersupper (Science bounces off the courthouse wall like virtue off a whorehouse.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
What are your sources to support this claim?

The achievement tests my kid has taken in school for the last 10 years. What do you base your claims on?

49 posted on 02/14/2007 5:40:31 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I presume you read the language listed in the other thread. What about that language constitutes teaching creationism?

I also live in Kansas and have watched the antics of the creationism supporters on the Kansas school board for 12 years or so. They constitute teaching creationism.

50 posted on 02/14/2007 5:42:27 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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