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Illegals seek tuition break
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | February 14, 2007 | Randy James

Posted on 02/14/2007 12:41:46 PM PST by Graybeard58

HARTFORD -- Victoria Perez traveled to the state Capitol Tuesday to ask for a future.

Perez, a senior at New Haven's Wilbur Cross High School, aspires to go to college next year to prepare for a career in criminal justice. But she has no idea how she'll foot the bill.

The problem: She's in the United States illegally, and therefore doesn't qualify for in-state tuition rates at Connecticut's public colleges and universities. Out-of-state tuition costs three times as much.

To Perez, a native Mexican brought to the United States at 3 years old, that simply isn't fair.

"We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

Perez and dozens of immigrant-rights activists gathered in Hartford on Tuesday to support a bill to change that policy and extend in-state tuition rates to all residents, regardless of immigration status, at the University of Connecticut, community colleges and other public schools.

"There is no group as disenfranchised in the education system as undocumented students," said Rep. Felipe Reinoso, D-Hartford, a sponsor of the measure.

Ten other states have passed similar laws.

Those favoring the idea list numerous advantages, from improving the quality of the state's work force to extending basic decency to ambitious young people who, in many cases, did not personally violate the law.

"These kids were brought here, sometimes without any choice or against their will," Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said.

Supporters also note that federal student aid is off-limits to illegal immigrants.

The bill has no formal cost estimate, though it's certain to impact taxpayers, who subsidize in-state seats at public colleges. Some supporters estimate no more than 250 students would take advantage of the discount each year.

Regardless, Blumenthal said, the price would be fully justified, calling it "an investment that will repay itself many times over."

The idea also faces plenty of opponents, and a similar bill was narrowly defeated by the legislature two years ago. Since then, the issue has become far more polarized as immigration has accelerated.

About 11 percent of Connecticut's population was foreign-born in 2000, according to the U.S. Census, up from 8.5 percent in 1990, a difference of about 91,000 people.

During Tuesday's hearing before the higher education committee, Sen. Dan Debicella, R-Shelton, called the bill "a massive subsidy" for illegal immigrants.

"If someone has not followed the laws of the U.S. to become a citizen, why do they deserve to get the same level of tuition as legal residents?" Debicella asked.

"This seems to reward behavior that we seek to deter," the senator said.

Rep. Pamela Z. Sawyer, R-Bolton, worried the measure could hurt the state's aspiring college students by heightening the competition for admission. Many community college students are single mothers struggling to make ends meet, she said.

"There are a lot of pressures on education dollars currently in the state of Connecticut," Sawyer said.

Though several religious and civil liberties groups support the measure, it's certain to face opposition from critics of illegal immigration. Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control, a group based in Darien, mobilized significant opposition to the idea when it last faced a vote in 2005.

Rep. Selim Noujaim, R-74th District, a member of the higher education committee, said he would support the bill only for undocumented students who were brought to the United States by their parents.

"If they entered the country illegally, I would not want any part of it," said Noujaim, who was born in Lebanon and moved to the U.S. legally in 1971.

Nadia Minor, one supporter of the bill, counts herself among the lucky.

A Mexican and a cousin of Victoria Perez, she was brought to the United States at 7 years old. Though the 20-year-old graduated in the top 5 percent of her New Haven high school class, she said, she expected her illegal status to block her from college. She didn't even apply.

But Perez eventually won legal residency, thanks to her mother's native-born husband, and now attends Central Connecticut State University. She wants her cousin and her friends to have the same opportunity.

"I feel like we're paying for mistakes we didn't make," said Minor, who hopes to attend law school. "We didn't choose to come here."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; illegalinvaders; instatetuition
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1 posted on 02/14/2007 12:41:49 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: nutmeg

Ping.


2 posted on 02/14/2007 12:42:14 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
She's in the United States illegally, and therefore doesn't qualify for in-state tuition rates at Connecticut's public colleges and universities.

Wouldn't it be nice if whenever illegals were identified, such as in this case, they were immediately deported?

3 posted on 02/14/2007 12:45:43 PM PST by TheDon (Are you a cut and run conservative?)
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To: Graybeard58

This makes my blood boil.


4 posted on 02/14/2007 12:45:45 PM PST by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Graybeard58
"We didn't choose to come here."

go back

5 posted on 02/14/2007 12:46:43 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Graybeard58

We didn't choose to come here...you're 18 you can go back to mexico or wherever you came from and go to college there.


6 posted on 02/14/2007 12:46:52 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: Graybeard58
"I feel like we're paying for mistakes we didn't make," said Minor, who hopes to attend law school. "We didn't choose to come here."

So fix the mistake. Leave the country and go back to yours. This ditz wants to go to law school ? She needs to learn logical analysis first.

7 posted on 02/14/2007 12:47:14 PM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Graybeard58

"To Perez, a native Mexican brought to the United States at 3 years old, that simply isn't fair."


BS.

If illegals are given in state tuition rates, then my son should be able to go to any college without paying out of state tuition.

He could argue that it wasn't his fault that he grew up in the state that he did. That was my choice.

I am so sick of these people telling us what their "rights" are.


8 posted on 02/14/2007 12:48:02 PM PST by EEDUDE
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To: Graybeard58

The logical LIBERAL solution is simple: Nobody is given in-state tuition breaks.

The correct solution is also simple: Illegal aliens are deported or prosecuted (as appropriate), with repeat offenders sliding right up that scale. if prosecuted, they are sentenced to hard labor - perhaps polishing septic tank liners?


9 posted on 02/14/2007 12:48:48 PM PST by MortMan (Middle Age: When playing like a child makes you feel like an old man the next morning.)
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To: Graybeard58
Perez, a senior at New Haven's Wilbur Cross High School, aspires to go to college next year to prepare for a career in criminal justice. But she has no idea how she'll foot the bill. The problem: She's in the United States illegally

Is it just me or does anyone else see something wrong with an illegal pursuing a career in criminal justice. I think she should turn herself in just to make a point.

10 posted on 02/14/2007 12:49:13 PM PST by SledgeCS (If islam is the ROP then explain to me why the shia and sunni are killing each other???)
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To: Graybeard58

"We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

...shutup! You're under arrest.


11 posted on 02/14/2007 12:49:46 PM PST by albie
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To: Graybeard58
She's in the United States illegally, and therefore doesn't qualify for in-state tuition rates at Connecticut's public colleges and universities.

Well, double do do. Isn't that just terrible!?!?

12 posted on 02/14/2007 12:49:52 PM PST by SMM48
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To: Graybeard58

She's in illegally. She's a criminal. I'm sure the University of Mexico will let her in. WA state passed this godawful legislation giving illegals in-state tuition. We the Taxpayers have been paying for it ever since. Bad idea!


13 posted on 02/14/2007 12:52:15 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Graybeard58
A federal criminal hoping for a career in "criminal justice"? What's this chiquita's IQ,anyway?
14 posted on 02/14/2007 12:52:20 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Graybeard58; chicagolady; All
>> Perez, a senior at New Haven's Wilbur Cross High School, aspires to go to college next year to prepare for a career in criminal justice. But she has no idea how she'll foot the bill. The problem: She's in the United States illegally, and therefore doesn't qualify for in-state tuition rates at Connecticut's public colleges and universities. <<

LMAO!!! Does anyone else notice the irony that an ILLEGAL alien wants to pursue a career in "CRIMINAL JUSTICE"? What's next, Bill Clinton wants to teach an sexual abstinence class?

I got news for Victoria: If you want to pursue "criminal justice" and make sure its enforced properly, you can start by reporting yourself to the feds and be sent back to Mexico to get your "college education" there.

15 posted on 02/14/2007 12:54:17 PM PST by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi -- we elected ROSKAM)
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To: Graybeard58
Dear Victoria Perez, What is wrong with going back to Mexico and applying to come here legally and take up resident legally and there would be no problem.

Here's an idea, why don't you try and become an American citizen and live the American dream legally. Victoria, you are the kind of people we want to immigrate here legally.


16 posted on 02/14/2007 12:55:18 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: albie
"We're all created equal.....the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

No we're not,sweetie.There's no way in hell that I could get "in state tuition" (or anything else) in Mexico if I was residing there illegally.

And that's as it should be.

17 posted on 02/14/2007 12:55:34 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: MortMan

I thought you would give them the option of gaining citizenship by joinging the military. This is the one exception I would grant.


18 posted on 02/14/2007 12:58:52 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: Graybeard58

The University of Washington tried to offer in-state tuition to illegals who graduated from local high schools. They didn't anticipate the uproar from the Asian students who also graduated from local high school, while here on either green cards with their families or student visas. The Asians took the issues to the courts and the university was forced to refund the difference between the in-state and out of state tuition to all the Asian students who also graduated from local high schools. A friend of my son's was one such student.


19 posted on 02/14/2007 12:59:30 PM PST by Eva
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To: Graybeard58
""There is no group as disenfranchised in the education system as undocumented students,"

Was this from DU?

These ILLEGALS have rights?

God help the USA.

20 posted on 02/14/2007 12:59:52 PM PST by traditional1
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To: Graybeard58
prepare for a career in criminal justice.

She's in the country illegally and she's wants a job in criminal justice. Just damn, are we going to start letting bank robbers become cops also??. And she has the gall to want a free education?? Thank you jorge.

21 posted on 02/14/2007 1:00:46 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Graybeard58

"These kids were brought here, sometimes without any choice or against their will," Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said.


They won't need tuition breaks once they turn 18. They'll be free to go back to where ever they are citizens of, once they are old enough to leave their lawbreaking parents.


22 posted on 02/14/2007 1:01:19 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: SledgeCS

That line kinda stuck me funny as well...


23 posted on 02/14/2007 1:01:49 PM PST by colinhester
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To: art_rocks

I'm of mixed thought about that. While I believe it should be an option, I dislike the idea of it being used as a substitute punishment for having been caught as an illegal.

If they self-identify, requesting that as an option?

But the current all-volunteer, professional United States military should not be a substitute for jail.

Thoughts?


24 posted on 02/14/2007 1:02:25 PM PST by MortMan (Middle Age: When playing like a child makes you feel like an old man the next morning.)
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To: SledgeCS
Is it just me or does anyone else see something wrong with an illegal pursuing a career in criminal justice.

The irony of it was not lost on me, either. My guess is that she wants to be in a position to let the rest of la raza off the hook when they get busted.

25 posted on 02/14/2007 1:03:04 PM PST by hunter112
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To: Graybeard58

What a coincidence! Those of us actually BORN IN THE USA (Bruce Springsteen notwithstanding) would like a break on tuition as well.

The line starts at the back - get in it.


26 posted on 02/14/2007 1:05:29 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: art_rocks
This is the one exception I would grant.

Friend that is not a grant, it is the law, and I have never seen anyone on free republic disagree with that law.

27 posted on 02/14/2007 1:06:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Graybeard58

There are enough people who, suffice it to say, don't know what ILLEGAL means.

If they seek and are granted legal residency (e.g. become a resident alien or a legal immigrant), then there's no reason why they can't pay the prescribed state tuition. A legal resident (heck, a legal immigrant) who has the means and the mind to go to college shouldn't be denied his chance.

If they're here illegally, then the universities ought to treat them like international students and charge out-of-state tuition. Because that's exactly what they are.

To allow these to get off the hook and pay in-state tuition is an insult to not only those who worked their butts off to seek legal channels of entering our country, but an insult to every taxpayer that is basically subsidizing college for people who have no right to be here to begin with.

This young woman falls into the latter category. Therefore, it is only just that society treat her as such.


28 posted on 02/14/2007 1:07:17 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: Gay State Conservative
What's this chiquita's IQ,anyway?

About the same as a banana!! LOL!!!!

29 posted on 02/14/2007 1:07:58 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Graybeard58

Why are the politicians so eager to give away things to illegals? Obviously the result is intended.
I'm sick of politicians who try every sneak means to do what they really want and to ignore the wishes of the people.


30 posted on 02/14/2007 1:08:43 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Damn the left)
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To: Graybeard58
"I feel like we're paying for mistakes we didn't make," said Minor, who hopes to attend law school. "We didn't choose to come here."

Publik Skewl Educayshun alert...you aren't paying for anything, honey. You got an incredible break because of the fact that your parents came here illegally. If they hadn't, you'd have lived in whatever he!! hole they came from. Instead, you got what is by third world standards, a pretty incredible life.

If you feel you're being punished for something, you can go back wherever it was your parents came from...to fix "not choosing" to come here.

Surely she's not saying she'd have chosen not to come here, given the choice?

I need to stop responding on threads like this. The sheer chutzpah and disingenuousness make me want to pop.

31 posted on 02/14/2007 1:10:20 PM PST by gogeo
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To: Gay State Conservative

And since she is an adult she will not be able to practice law even if she went to college.


32 posted on 02/14/2007 1:10:38 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Eva

"the university was forced to refund the difference between the in-state and out of state tuition"
The law of unintended consequences.


33 posted on 02/14/2007 1:10:41 PM PST by JimmyMc
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To: albie
"We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said...

Yes, but being a US citizen isn't a basic human right.

34 posted on 02/14/2007 1:12:41 PM PST by gogeo
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To: Eva

Tha Asians rarely complain,they just work and succeed,but in this case their complaint was justified.


35 posted on 02/14/2007 1:14:57 PM PST by Mears
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To: freedomfiter2
"These kids were brought here, sometimes without any choice or against their will," Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said...

They can fix that any time they want. It's disingenuous to suggest they've suffered from that, or that they don't want to be here. No three year old moves where they move by choice.

36 posted on 02/14/2007 1:15:56 PM PST by gogeo
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To: Graybeard58

"These kids were brought here, sometimes without any choice or against their will," Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said."

A graduate of the Alberto Gonzalez School of Law? Just a guess.


37 posted on 02/14/2007 1:17:02 PM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: EEDUDE

Bingo! That is exactly the right argument. A child raised in a state like Idaho has very few options for in-state college tuition options as compared to one born in New York for instance. Also, she is right that it isn't "fair" that she was brought here as a small child - isn't fair to the other people who were in line and waiting to get in LEGALLY - the ones that her parents shoved in front of, the ones over whom she has already gotten countless advantages because of being raised in this great country. I've had it.


38 posted on 02/14/2007 1:19:07 PM PST by Anima Mundi (Not LAND but LAW that is missing in Latin America)
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To: Graybeard58

The way I see it, she wants in-state tuition because OOS is 3x more. So, this is simply a problem of $$$. Apparently, she could afford the in-state tuition, so she should take a year off, get a job, save every penny and pay the rightful OOS next year. It's only a year off. How about community college?


39 posted on 02/14/2007 1:22:34 PM PST by kdot
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To: Graybeard58
It isn't fair - or compassionate to deny American citizens low cost higher education in the land of their birth or adoption.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

40 posted on 02/14/2007 1:22:51 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Graybeard58
To Perez, a native Mexican brought to the United States at 3 years old, that simply isn't fair. "We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

Too bad she can't get her reduced tuition...she'd do well at most universities.

41 posted on 02/14/2007 1:26:58 PM PST by Mr.Unique ("Are you gonna propose? Because if you're not, quit staring at me!")
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To: Gay State Conservative
A federal criminal hoping for a career in "criminal justice"?

That's not so unusual.

42 posted on 02/14/2007 1:30:52 PM PST by Mr.Unique ("Are you gonna propose? Because if you're not, quit staring at me!")
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To: Graybeard58
"We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

Yeah, "soft spoken" till it's time to march in the streets.

43 posted on 02/14/2007 1:38:08 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Graybeard58
Hey Victoria, soft spoken or not, you're a CRIMINAL! You are in MY country illegally.

If you want to go to college so badly, do the RIGHT ting and return to your native country and continue your schooling.

You people piss me off!
44 posted on 02/14/2007 1:40:11 PM PST by upchuck (Wanted: Conservatives to go read this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1771175/posts)
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To: Graybeard58
"Perez, a senior at New Haven's Wilbur Cross High School, aspires to go to college next year to prepare for a career in criminal justice. . . . She's in the United States illegally,"

oh, the Irony.
45 posted on 02/14/2007 1:42:08 PM PST by stompk
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To: Eva
Here in CT the vast majority of sheeple don't care enough to do anything. With the gov. just proprosing a hike in the income tax you would think this would make people go "No way!" but they won't.

I want out of CT. I wish my wife would agree.

46 posted on 02/14/2007 1:43:18 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Graybeard58

""There is no group as disenfranchised in the education system as undocumented students," said Rep. Felipe Reinoso, D-Hartford, a sponsor of the measure."


UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS?

This POS and the ILLEGAL ALIENS he's fighting for should
GTFO of MY COUNTRY.


47 posted on 02/14/2007 1:46:06 PM PST by Doninnj
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To: Graybeard58

I didn't finish my college years ago because my parents business burned down, and my funds were nil.

Now these kids want a free ride.

Sorry. No dice!


48 posted on 02/14/2007 1:47:16 PM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound ( Moonbats are permanently insane!)
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To: EEDUDE

Hey, you could always try the "equal protection clause" route if the criminal aliens get instate tuition.


49 posted on 02/14/2007 1:58:54 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Doninnj

If this nonsense keeps continuing on, it's going to come to a point, where things are going to get pretty ugly.


50 posted on 02/14/2007 2:03:25 PM PST by stbdside
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