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12 Republicans Break Ranks on Iraq Resolution [Know who and where they are.]
New York Times ^ | 15FEB07 | JEFF ZELENY

Posted on 02/14/2007 8:49:45 PM PST by familyop

Representative Howard Coble of North Carolina . . . Representative Steven C. LaTourette of Ohio . . . Representative John J. Duncan Jr. of Tennessee . . . Representative Walter B. Jones of North Carolina . . . Representative Ric Keller, a Florida Republican . . . Representative Heather Wilson, a New Mexico Republican . . . Republican Senators Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Olympia J. Snowe of Maine . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bums; chumps; cowards; creeps; howardcoble; iraq; liberals; northcarolina; republican; traitors; walterjones
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...congress"persons" mentioned in the excerpt.
1 posted on 02/14/2007 8:49:49 PM PST by familyop
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To: familyop

a career ending move,,,we must see that they never get another penny.


2 posted on 02/14/2007 8:51:48 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (Find out what brand the Ethiopians are drinking and send a case to all my generals.)
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To: M. Espinola
Oh, I do decleyah! Look wheah they ah from ping!
3 posted on 02/14/2007 8:53:19 PM PST by familyop (us army cbt. engr., ng, 89-96)
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To: familyop

I am going to lead the effort in Central Florida to find a primary challenger to Keller that will beat him in 08.


4 posted on 02/14/2007 8:54:54 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Who would turn out better if we split into two separate countries based on the '04 Presidential Map?)
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To: familyop

...surprised Heather Wilson from NM voted that way...


5 posted on 02/14/2007 8:56:20 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: familyop
So... Heather Wilson is counted in that total...yet it says:
Representative Heather Wilson, a New Mexico Republican, said she opposed the troop increase in Iraq but declined to support the resolution. She infuriated Democrats when she hinted that their party was considering plans to limit war financing.

“What about the five brigades of young Americans who are now preparing their families and packing their gear to deploy?” Ms. Wilson said. “What about them? What are you saying to them? Will we buy body armor for them? Will we have armored Humvees for them?”

6 posted on 02/14/2007 8:59:26 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: NorCalRepub

Looks like she didn't go all the way

(From NY Times)
Representative Heather Wilson, a New Mexico Republican, said she opposed the troop increase in Iraq but declined to support the resolution. She infuriated Democrats when she hinted that their party was considering plans to limit war financing.


7 posted on 02/14/2007 8:59:45 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: NorCalRepub
See #6
8 posted on 02/14/2007 9:00:23 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: wildcatf4f3

A few hundred thousand emails and telephone calls to these RINO's should make their day. Let them know they are now on the list to be voted out of office. The leadership of the GOP needs some testosterone pills. The leadership should be whispering in these RINO's ears and telling them their support and funds are now gone. Enjoy the time you have left in office and then it's back to the real world for a reality check.

These schmucks have a severe case of ego and power. They think they're elected for life and the voters can't touch them.


9 posted on 02/14/2007 9:01:37 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: familyop

Local jurisdictions need to find strong, conservative challengers to go after these RINO's.


10 posted on 02/14/2007 9:01:40 PM PST by technomage (You get what you want one step at a time)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Weak bottom feeders is as nice as I can say it.


11 posted on 02/14/2007 9:03:47 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: familyop
They're NOT Republicans...they're traitors to our Country.

Republicans are Patriots...these people aren't Patriots (see my tagline).

12 posted on 02/14/2007 9:05:01 PM PST by NordP (America Votes: So sad to find out the majority is self-centered, short-sighted, and impatient.)
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To: SoCalPol; Gondring
....that makes more sense.....I don't know her all that well but every time I've heard her speak she seemed to be in line with the Pres.
13 posted on 02/14/2007 9:06:12 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: NorCalRepub

I understand she is a grad of the AF academy


14 posted on 02/14/2007 9:07:41 PM PST by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: familyop

Jimmy Duncan, while normally a very conservative vote, has proven increasingly disappointing in regards to Iraq.

He heard from me, but I don't see him shifting course.


15 posted on 02/14/2007 9:09:46 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: SoCalPol; NorCalRepub

So they distorted her views...do you expect anything better out of the NY Slimes?


16 posted on 02/14/2007 9:10:02 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Thank you for the information about Representative Heather Wilson. I was in a hurry to excerpt the names and places from the piece, before someone else posted it with only the first line or paragraph excerpted.
17 posted on 02/14/2007 9:14:21 PM PST by familyop
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To: familyop

This says 12. On ABC radio news today they specifically said "dozens" (plural) so I expected 24, 36, 48 etc. What gives here? That said, are there that many GOP members who want to energize the enemies to this nation?

his is why I'm a conservative and not a Republican. I can't stand many of the useless jerks in that Party.


18 posted on 02/14/2007 9:16:14 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Constitution Day; Alia

I just cannot get over Howard Coble.


19 posted on 02/14/2007 9:17:31 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: familyop

Hagel, Snowe...the usual suspects. But what I don't understand is this: Snowe, representing Maine, has a traditionally liberal, blue state constituency, so she leans left on most issues. Her position, then, is understandable, if possibly insincere and unprincipled, but Hagel's from Nebraska. Is Nebraska some seething hotbed of liberal sentiment, a Wisconsin without the cheese, or is Hagel just being Hagel? I simply don't know enough about Nebraskan politics to figure it out.


20 posted on 02/14/2007 9:17:32 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: familyop

Maybe their constituencies feel this way.


21 posted on 02/14/2007 9:18:45 PM PST by HitmanLV ("I mean, that's a storybook, man!")
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To: wildcatf4f3

Get confirmation. This is the NY Times.


22 posted on 02/14/2007 9:21:09 PM PST by Thud
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To: Rembrandt_fan
I simply don't know enough about Nebraskan politics to figure it out.

Many of the plains and mountain states voted in high percentages for GWB, but send one or two 'rats to the Senate. I don't get that one, either.

23 posted on 02/14/2007 9:21:38 PM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
The leadership of the GOP needs some testosterone pills

I am beginning to despair over whether there IS any Republican leadership.

24 posted on 02/14/2007 9:24:31 PM PST by arjay (I would rather be right than consistent.)
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To: Rembrandt_fan
"...but Hagel's from Nebraska. Is Nebraska some seething hotbed of liberal sentiment, a Wisconsin without the cheese, or is Hagel just being Hagel? I simply don't know enough about Nebraskan politics to figure it out."

I don't know, either. But when I was younger, someone from Nebraska was promoting the National Socialist White People's Party where I worked. And and older woman who was neighbor showed us a swastika that her Nebraska mother (WWII era, wore large, brown dresses, and no sons in the war) gave to her. But that's probably not a very representative example of Hagel's constituents.
25 posted on 02/14/2007 9:28:11 PM PST by familyop
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To: Rembrandt_fan

.....it is just that Hagel is totally opposed to everything about this war I think...many here on FR call him a RINO but if you look at his voting record, he is more conservative then 70% or so of the Repub Senators...in fact he is very conservative on most issues....but not on this war for sure....or how it has been run.....


26 posted on 02/14/2007 9:35:30 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: familyop

OK, who let the French Republicans in the house?


27 posted on 02/14/2007 9:37:03 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: do the dhue

Surrender monkeys fer sure, the lot of them.


28 posted on 02/14/2007 9:39:56 PM PST by originalbuckeye (I want a hero....I'm holding out for a hero (politically!))
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To: Yehuda

You think losing 12 of 250 shows a lack of leadership? I don't. To listen to the Dem spokespeople for the last week would make anyone think this was a Republican resolution. We will see what the vote actually is. There are not many arms to twist.


30 posted on 02/14/2007 9:51:31 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt
I only count 7, who are the rest of the 12?
31 posted on 02/14/2007 9:55:43 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: NorCalRepub

When then the hell with him. History remembers how the men of the Civil War era stood on the question of preserving the Union, not tariff revision.

I'm sure that there were some Royalists who were good on tax cuts during the Revolution too.

As far as I'm concerned, the war is a make or break issue. If you're for the war, you're on my side. If you're not, you're on the other side. I'd side with a pro-war gay pot-smoking hedonist (an American Pim Fortyun, if you will) before I'd stand alongside some of these anti-war "conservatives."


32 posted on 02/14/2007 9:56:23 PM PST by furquhart (Gingrich for President)
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To: furquhart

...as is your right.....you sound upset....I just said Hagel votes Republican on most issues....nothing more, nothing less......but he hates how this war is run....I wouldn't even call him anti war...I'd call him anti-Iraq War....


33 posted on 02/14/2007 10:02:10 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: SoCalPol

Heather Wilson won reelection by about 1000 votes.

from her website "Wilson is the only woman veteran currently in Congress, and the first Air Force Academy graduate in Congress. "


34 posted on 02/14/2007 10:15:09 PM PST by staytrue
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To: aynrandfreak; Joe Brower

Damn straight ... maybe Keller was trying to make up with that idiot Jim Phillips but that's it for him. Florida FReepers, unite ... clean up is needed in aisle "O."


35 posted on 02/14/2007 10:25:10 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: CheyennePress
Jimmy Duncan, while normally a very conservative vote, has proven increasingly disappointing in regards to Iraq. He heard from me, but I don't see him shifting course.

Duncan is no ones rubber stamp. Maybe he expects some answers out of the POTUS that Bush is not giving. Do you know what Bush said concerning war, our military, and especially about nation building in the 2000 debates with Gore? Bush is miles off his own mark. He has become what he accused Gore of being on this issue. BTW Duncan will likely be re-elected when his next term is up. Perhaps if Bush had been more open to Conservatives concerns during his two terms rather than saying "You're either for us blaa blaa".

Some conservatives wanted a Declaration of War before going into Iraq and a clear and precise agenda, plan, and exit strategy. They got none of it. This despite the fact before he was elected Bush stressed these items as being important issues. Look up the Clinton Gore debate in Boston 2000. It's there.

So what did they get? About a 30 paragraph resolution of in support of U.N. resolution # xxxx and U.N. Security Council gibberish instead. Meaning what? Meaning had the GOP and Bush done it right to begin with this would be a non issue right now as congress and Bush would have been bound by the War Declaration. So would the DEMs yes even Hillary.

Some of the liberal GOP jumped due to they usually line with the DEMS. Some Conservatives have bucked because they knew Nation Building was the Bush plan right after the bombs started dropping in Iraq and Iraqs infrastructure was left intact. You can not fight a war and nation build and expect good results. Remember too it was Bush who went around leading the nation to believe early on Mission Accomplished.

Bush has taken some very bad advice on Iraq mainly because of his refusal to listen to persons outside of his hand picked circle. This is the end result.

36 posted on 02/14/2007 10:27:26 PM PST by cva66snipe (Rudy, the Liberal Media's first choice for the GOP nomination. Not on my vote not even in Nov 2008..)
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To: familyop

When can we finally get rid of all the RINO's? I'm glad Lincoln Chaffee lost.


37 posted on 02/14/2007 11:09:19 PM PST by Frohickey
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The names of all the cowardly Republicans who support this measure can be found here.
38 posted on 02/14/2007 11:20:00 PM PST by Starman417
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To: familyop

Congress "persons", sounds like an insignificant collection of crawling insects :)


39 posted on 02/14/2007 11:32:03 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is Never Free)
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To: M. Espinola

LOL! Here's a little admission about that. I studied histories of propaganda for about 10 years or so.


40 posted on 02/14/2007 11:45:28 PM PST by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: ClaireSolt
That is true. Remember? There has always been a certain number of sh*t heads in the Republican ranks. They always split--on immigration, the war, just everything common sense.
41 posted on 02/15/2007 1:59:51 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: aynrandfreak
I am going to lead the effort in Central Florida to find a primary challenger to Keller that will beat him in 08.

Wow, I thought Central Florida was only a breeding ground for serial killers.....it also has crappy Congresspersons.

Alachua county is a sewer.

42 posted on 02/15/2007 3:13:39 AM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: do the dhue

That is perfect: 'French Republicans'.


43 posted on 02/15/2007 3:40:55 AM PST by x1stcav (I always thought he was a Murthaf*cker.)
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To: SoCalPol
Looks like she didn't go all the way

All show no go.

44 posted on 02/15/2007 3:42:15 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Constitution Day; TaxRelief; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day OR TaxRelief OR Alia if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
45 posted on 02/15/2007 3:48:22 AM PST by Alia
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To: familyop

Sam Brownback didn't vote against it? Waffling again I see.


46 posted on 02/15/2007 3:58:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: familyop
Representative Walter B. Jones of North Carolina

No surprise there. This guy has been off the reservation for years.

Didn't he co-sponsor an earlier cut-and-run resolution with Dennis Kucinich?
47 posted on 02/15/2007 4:07:20 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: familyop

Of course Coble was in the local rag this morning.


Aaaarrggg, I hate this state sometimes.


48 posted on 02/15/2007 4:12:43 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: aynrandfreak

Ric KELLER??? I am really surprised. I kept thinking it was a typo.

Thankfully I have John Mica:)


49 posted on 02/15/2007 4:15:02 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: cva66snipe

President Roosevelt did not ask for a Declaration of War for every country we bombed in Europe, Africa, and Asia. He got a Declaration of War against Japan and Germany and initiated a worldwide campaign to win.

President Bush should have received the same thing. Either we are fighting islamic terrorists or we are not. Asking Congress for a Declaration each step of the way invites Congress to micromanage the war. One Declaration of War that covers all countries around the world is what President Bush should have received.


50 posted on 02/15/2007 4:46:09 AM PST by Tai_Chung
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