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Giuliani Says He Is Running for President in ’08 [And criticized our President on Iraq.]
New York Times ^ | 15FEB07 | RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA

Posted on 02/14/2007 10:13:40 PM PST by familyop

. . . and, without mentioning President Bush by name, offered pointed criticism on how the Iraq war has been handled . . . He said that the United States went to war with far too few forces and was wrong to dismantle Saddam Hussein’s military and government, and he conceded that if more information had been available about Iraq’s weapons, Congress never would have approved the war.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiitalian; benito; charlatan; fake; fraud; generalissimo; giuliani; iraq; nomilitaryexperience; partysplitter; phony; rudywhopseudocon; snakeoilsalesman; trueconservatives; usingnytimes2attack; zerocorevalues; zerocredibility
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1 posted on 02/14/2007 10:13:44 PM PST by familyop
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To: familyop
...and he conceded that if more information had been available about Iraq’s weapons, Congress never would have approved the war.

He just disqualified himself in my book.
2 posted on 02/14/2007 10:16:24 PM PST by joseph20
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To: joseph20

Agreed.


3 posted on 02/14/2007 10:20:02 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: familyop

Tick... tick... tick...

Just waiting for all the Rudy-bots to show up so they can tell us why we need to vote for Rudy so he'll continue the WoT....


4 posted on 02/14/2007 10:20:10 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: joseph20

Oh my goodness. Don't accept the NYT explanation of things.

I listened to the interview; I'm sure a transcript is around somewhere.

Rudy said what the president himself has said, that mistakes were made. He didn't condemn the president and said it was still the right decision to take Saddam out.

He also said that it's easy in hindsight to see what should have been done differently and when Larry asked him what, Rudy mentioned a few things. That's perfectly appropriate and if anyone thinks that Hunter or any other candidate is going to say that no mistakes were made in Iraq, they're deluding themselves.

On The History Channel there is a weekly show called Military Blunders In History. A lot of the shows deal with mistakes made in WWII by the US and our allies. Every war has problems and mistakes made by those in charge.


5 posted on 02/14/2007 10:21:20 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: conservatrice
Just waiting for all the Rudy-bots to show up so they can tell us why we need to vote for Rudy so he'll continue the WoT....

Betting this thread gets to 400 posts within a couple hours...
6 posted on 02/14/2007 10:22:29 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope" -Duncan Hunter)
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To: familyop
The New York Times? I think I'll wait for a lexis nexis transcript.
7 posted on 02/14/2007 10:24:22 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: conservatrice

Yep. ...related.

Giuliani 'not confident' war will turn around
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785020/posts


8 posted on 02/14/2007 10:25:52 PM PST by familyop
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To: All
Let's ditch this flip-flopping phony for a man with real military knowledge and experience who understands the War on Terror inside and out. Check out Duncan Hunter...



"How can I help?"

Get informed: Duncan Hunter on the Issues

Sign up: Freepmail me to join the Duncan Hunter Pinglist

Or Freepmail seanmerc to join the Veterans for Hunter Pinglist

Put your money where your values are: Contribute to Duncan Hunter's Presidential Campaign
9 posted on 02/14/2007 10:26:29 PM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope" -Duncan Hunter)
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To: familyop

Thanks for the link!


10 posted on 02/14/2007 10:28:16 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: Peach

Oh my goodness. Don't accept the NYT explanation of things.

I do! I believe everything they say...because they are sooo much smarter than I am (ok we'll set the bar a bit higher than the flatworm level :-) )

Seriously so many people scream and yell about the bias at the NY Times...then (apparently) buy what they're saying about Rudy. I for one would like to see the transcript of the interview.
Just because someone critizes the way Iraq was/is being done does NOT mean they think we shouldn't be there.


11 posted on 02/14/2007 10:28:52 PM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: joseph20
From the posted article excerpt:
"...and he conceded that if more information had been available about Iraq’s weapons, Congress never would have approved the war."

joseph20:
"He just disqualified himself in my book."

Yes. Our Constitution says that our President wages war--not Congress. If we had to wait for the approval of Congress, our nation would be conquered. That knowledge is very important in regarding Iran's nuke program and leaders' statements.
12 posted on 02/14/2007 10:29:44 PM PST by familyop
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To: Valin

Exactly. I listened to the interview carefully and thought Rudy handled himself well. If he had denied that there were problems with how the war was handled I'd have questioned his judgment righ then and there.

The president and others in the administration have admitted that they didn't make the correct decision 100% of the time but they went with what they thought was best given the situation and information they had available.


13 posted on 02/14/2007 10:30:46 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: conservatrice
Just waiting for all the Rudy-bots to show up so they can tell us why we need to vote for Rudy so he'll continue the WoT....

Yep. If we don't support the socialist, we're all gonna die. They told me.

/s

Meanwhile, another 4000 American babies were mutilated and sucked from their mother's wombs today...

14 posted on 02/14/2007 10:30:59 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: familyop

Of COURSE mistakes were made. Everyone admits that. Bush, McCain, Kristol, everyone. There should've been more troops a long time ago.

Thinking that this will chill the Rudy juggernaut is just insane. Rudy's support is both wide AND deep. Soon, his nomination will be inevitable. And then he takes out the Hildebeast.

And then...


15 posted on 02/14/2007 10:31:08 PM PST by RepublicanPOTUSin08
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To: familyop

Wow! 1st the NY Times and now CNN. What next Pravda?


16 posted on 02/14/2007 10:31:12 PM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Peach
Oh my goodness. Don't accept the NYT explanation of things.

Yes but the Rudyphobes must get their nightly fix of bashing and caterwalling. End times will be near accoriding to these folks if the G-man becomes president.

Let's be realistic Duncan is a donut not a president. Mitt will need a miracle. McCain is deranged and do we really want the democrats to win? Keep an open mind fellow freepers.

17 posted on 02/14/2007 10:31:41 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Maynerd

LOL. Rudy has taken on the mob, Arafat, Castro, and Sharpton. He isn't afraid of Hillary, her FBI files, her War Room, her skills at personal destruction of her opponents, or anyone or anything. Rudy's pretty fearless.


18 posted on 02/14/2007 10:33:03 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
He isn't afraid of Hillary, her FBI files, her War Room, her skills at personal destruction of her opponents, or anyone or anything. Rudy's pretty fearless.

Guess that's why he gave her a pass in '06, eh?

19 posted on 02/14/2007 10:34:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Maynerd
End times will be near accoriding to these folks if the G-man becomes president.

LOL. Who wants to take bets on when the first website goes up that "proves" Rudy is the Beast of the Apocalypse?

20 posted on 02/14/2007 10:35:14 PM PST by RepublicanPOTUSin08
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To: Maynerd

I like how some folks here see something in the NY Pravda and are like, "Well, this rules him out for me forever." I guess we are going to get the same posters writing every night, "Well, this finally rules him out for me" for the next year and a half. "Well, I can never vote for him." Yep, ok. Gotcha.


21 posted on 02/14/2007 10:36:12 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: Peach

Seems the NY Slimes might be a tad worried about Rudy....


22 posted on 02/14/2007 10:36:14 PM PST by Jrabbit ('scuse me??)
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To: Maynerd

Yes, let's keep our minds so open that our brains fall out.


23 posted on 02/14/2007 10:36:24 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: RepublicanPOTUSin08
"Soon, his nomination will be inevitable. And then he takes out the Hildebeast."

I don't think he can beat Hildebeast. He's too much like her and the dems will vote for her. And, he won't get the support from the conservative base...
24 posted on 02/14/2007 10:38:15 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: babygene

I still don't understand why so many Freepers think that Hillary is a shoe-in. It's like they're so afraid of Hillary that they'll support Stalin if he had an R after his name and could beat her.


25 posted on 02/14/2007 10:41:07 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: familyop
....well whether anyone is for Rudy or not, all the Generals and Commanders I've heard pretty much said that we should have had more troops.....and yes, dismantling the military and throwing out low level Bathists is now looked on as a mistake as they then had nothing to do but become more extreme....I think more then just Rudy said this, like George Will, William F. Buckely etc....
26 posted on 02/14/2007 10:42:41 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: familyop
[.. He said that the United States went to war with far too few forces and was wrong to dismantle Saddam Hussein’s military and government ..]

I don't and didn't like George Bush from the git go.. BUT..
What was he(Bush) supposed to do go agianst the generals advising HIM?..

This comment is Moonbatism on crack..
Hillary will be running against another Moonbat..
UNLess the American people magically gets smart and chooses Newt Gingrich..

27 posted on 02/14/2007 10:42:47 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Peach
Yeah, it's interesting how people say they don't listen to NYT yet at the same time keep quoting them to attack fellow Republicans...

Rudy is a smart guy. I doubt he would condemn the president they way NYT wants us to believe...

28 posted on 02/14/2007 10:44:44 PM PST by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: EternalVigilance

We have had more Republican Presidents than Dems since Rowe V. Wade and still it is the law. Why do you think it will be changed with a "very conservative candidate"...and esp. one with little change of getting 50% of the vote?


29 posted on 02/14/2007 10:46:06 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: familyop
The fanatical Giuliani haters on FR have been posting a lot of out of context statements made by him in an attempt to smear him.

"Giuliani 'not confident' war will turn around." is a perfect example.

Whats being deliberately left out the rest of Rudy's remarks:

"I'm confident that we have to try to make a turnaround, and we just can't walk out, and that it is critical to us that things get to the point in Iraq that we have some degree of stability and not the way they are now," Giuliani continued. "Because if we leave it the way it is now and we run out, then we're going to face further difficulties in the future."

This headline is an outrageous attempt to mislead people. This NY Slimes article is another example of this tactic. I respect people who oppose Giuliani and who do so in an honorable manner. Posting misleading statements that are taken out of context is underhanded and dishonorable.

30 posted on 02/14/2007 10:46:18 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: EternalVigilance

Oops...And of course I meant "chance".


31 posted on 02/14/2007 10:47:03 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It is interesting to note that the excerpt does not provide any actual quotes from Giuliani.
32 posted on 02/14/2007 10:48:55 PM PST by joseph20
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To: conservatrice
"I still don't understand why so many Freepers think that Hillary is a shoe-in."

She is a shoe-in if we run a candidate who is pro-choice, anti-gun, pro-gay marriage, and for open boarders... ie, Rudy
33 posted on 02/14/2007 10:49:45 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: babygene
I don't think he can beat Hildebeast. He's too much like her and the dems will vote for her. And, he won't get the support from the conservative base...

Are you saying that the conservative base will sit out the election or vote for a third party candidate and allow Hitlary to sit behind that desk in the Oval Office?

If so God help this country.

34 posted on 02/14/2007 10:49:48 PM PST by Doofer
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To: EternalVigilance
Guess that's why he gave her a pass in '06, eh?

That's a new low, even for you.

He was sick and you know it.

35 posted on 02/14/2007 10:50:54 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: BonnieJ
We have had more Republican Presidents than Dems since Rowe V. Wade and still it is the law. Why do you think it will be changed with a "very conservative candidate"...and esp. one with little change of getting 50% of the vote?

The GOP has at times earned the sobriquet "the Stupid Party." But it has never been stupid enough to nominate someone who agrees with most of the Democrat platform and who is hostile to almost all of its own.

"Most of Clinton's policies are similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

36 posted on 02/14/2007 10:51:36 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: joseph20

Sounds like Democrat talking points!


37 posted on 02/14/2007 10:52:42 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter for Pres/ Ann Coulter Sec, of State))
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To: Howlin

He wasn't sick in '06. You're confusing elections, either ignorantly or purposefully.


38 posted on 02/14/2007 10:52:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Doofer
"Are you saying that the conservative base will sit out the election or vote for a third party candidate and allow Hitlary to sit behind that desk in the Oval Office?"

Yes... However don't blame the conservative base, blame the idiots that pushed Rudy.
39 posted on 02/14/2007 10:53:54 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: EternalVigilance

He didn't run in '06 because his goal had become the Presidency, that seems fairly obvious. Why become a Senator only to immediately start campaigning again?


40 posted on 02/14/2007 10:54:56 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: EternalVigilance

You're right about that year.

I apologize.


41 posted on 02/14/2007 10:55:04 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: familyop
Well, well...about the ONLY thing that Rudy had going for him - the only thing that the fake conservatives who support(ed) him cared about at all - just got taken away as he revealed that he reveals that he thinks that the Iraq war was probably a mistake based upon the "no WMDs!" charges from the left.

I can see the Rudybots badmouthing Bush and the war in Iraq right now as they keep shilling for their liberal candidate.

42 posted on 02/14/2007 10:55:23 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Maynerd

"Let's be realistic Duncan is a donut not a president. Mitt will need a miracle. McCain is deranged and do we really want the democrats to win? Keep an open mind fellow freepers."

Now, that's funny!!


43 posted on 02/14/2007 10:55:55 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter for Pres/ Ann Coulter Sec, of State))
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To: Howlin
That's a new low, even for you. He was sick and you know it.

He wasn't sick in '06. Put the bottle away and go to bed.

44 posted on 02/14/2007 10:58:08 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

You look like an idiot when you post stuff like that.

He and I have already settled that; butt out.

Careful: somebody may be posting something on FR favorable to Rudy that you don't see and can't refute.


45 posted on 02/14/2007 11:01:18 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: conservatrice

Hear, hear!! She should be beaten soundly by a conservative candidate.


46 posted on 02/14/2007 11:01:36 PM PST by upsdriver ((Hunter for Pres/ Ann Coulter Sec, of State))
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To: Peach

I heard the interview and it was nothing like this. NYT lied people bought it. And I am a Hunter-bot.


47 posted on 02/14/2007 11:03:19 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: Howlin

Wow. Accepted.


48 posted on 02/14/2007 11:04:38 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Spiff

"I would take out Saddam Hussein in a second again."

-Rudy on LKL

It's a real shame to see conservatives being used like this by the NYT and liberal establishment. They're doing everything they can to push your buttons because they're terrified that Rudy can beat their rock star (Obama).


49 posted on 02/14/2007 11:05:44 PM PST by RepublicanPOTUSin08
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To: BonnieJ
He didn't run in '06 because his goal had become the Presidency, that seems fairly obvious. Why become a Senator only to immediately start campaigning again?

Why run when you're afraid you might lose to her?

50 posted on 02/14/2007 11:05:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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