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Utah mall gunman was Srebrenica survivor, cousin says
CNN ^ | 15 Feb 2007 | Reuters

Posted on 02/15/2007 8:28:40 AM PST by Red6

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To: longtermmemmory

Wouldn't surprise me any.

But I don't doubt that the globalists own all the major media enterprises and at least have key spies or controllers in all of them including those they may not yet own.

Shoot, the award winning local small town newspaper of my youth was bought out by a puppe masters media conglomerate. It tows the party line now.


51 posted on 02/15/2007 9:23:59 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: 3AngelaD

Yup.

We laugh and joke about test tubes . . .

But I'm beginning to wonder . . . maybe truth is stranger than fiction with some of these traitorous idiots.

Lots of people with lots of power and money . . . with satan and his fallen angels . . . and many centuries setting up for this looming drama . . .

who knows what some "human" players really are.

We know what they are NOT!

They are the furthest things from American and Patriotic.


52 posted on 02/15/2007 9:28:44 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Red6
The gunman was a terrorist.

Considering this administration's eagerness to import more and more Muslims and notably people from enemy nations, expect more of these terrorist attacks, especially on Jewish targets.

53 posted on 02/15/2007 9:29:45 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Red6
The 18-year-old gunman who shot five people to death in a Salt Lake City, Utah, shopping mall was a survivor of the siege that ended in the Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia's 1992-95 war, a cousin said on Wednesday.

The Mormons of Salt Lake City were not at war with muslims in Bosnia.

54 posted on 02/15/2007 9:33:11 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

It's certain that no 8,000 bodies were found. IIRC, there were 200 bodies found in "Mass Graves" and THEY turned out to have been in a cemetary.


55 posted on 02/15/2007 9:33:21 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: dfwgator

The people who were at the mall that day are survivors of a massacre now but it wouldn't justify they going to another country and just opening fire in a marketplace.


56 posted on 02/15/2007 9:35:04 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: Red6
CNN, why do you neglect to mention that minor detail?

CNN supressed news of torture and abuse under Saddam to maintain their Baghdad bureau.

CNN is evil. Don't expect them to be honest when it comes to the enemies of America.

The News We (CNN) Kept To Ourselves [must read] (The New York Times - 04/11/03 - EASON JORDAN)

Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard — awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff.

For example, in the mid-1990's one of our Iraqi cameramen was abducted. For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters because he refused to confirm the government's ludicrous suspicion that I was the Central Intelligence Agency's Iraq station chief. CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk...


57 posted on 02/15/2007 9:38:28 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: popdonnelly
So if you're a Muslim with a gripe, they will condone your shooting people in a mall.

This was Sgt. Akbar's excuse when he murdered 2 US officers and injured another 12.

58 posted on 02/15/2007 9:43:05 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: cake_crumb

ALL those claims to justify the war against Serbia have been shown to be false. Yet the Treason Media does not care about them only those it believes/claims to be false which the President made.


59 posted on 02/15/2007 9:48:43 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: 3AngelaD

"..letting this little Muslim POS and his family enter our country.."

Think of how many of the same category are coming in, daily? I never expected that my country, like Europe, would choose the suicidal path.


60 posted on 02/15/2007 10:20:26 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: cake_crumb

"Do I have this straight?"


You couldn't have been more right. But why are you so late in realizing our country's contribution to the spread of Islam?


61 posted on 02/15/2007 10:29:39 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: longtermmemmory
IIRC, aren't the big MSM companies actively lobbying the FCC to further deregulate the current restrictions on ownership?

The MSM is threatened by the internet. The following are just a couple links that outline what's at stake. Don't even bring up "net neutrality", that's a whole other ball of wax, lol.

http://www.fcc.gov/ownership/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3iGbpWsv5i2nrFXUw%2Fu7BvsA%3D%3D
62 posted on 02/15/2007 10:35:31 AM PST by khnyny
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To: Owl_Eagle

"Hats off to your BIL and SIL for helping our enemies."

Nope, my hat's off to them for possibly saving the life of a fine person.


63 posted on 02/15/2007 10:46:09 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: FNG

She certainly didn't pray five times a day and she wore western clothes. Just as with Christianity, different sects believe different things and conduct their lives in different ways.


64 posted on 02/15/2007 10:50:22 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: webheart
But don't expect anyone in mainstream media "journalism" to be asked to have any instruction in the English language as part of their education.

I see your point, but don't know about the assertion. I think they manipulate the English language quite well as part of their propaganda.

65 posted on 02/15/2007 11:01:31 AM PST by jammer
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To: jdsteel
My son was serving in X42's military during that obscenity. He and his fellows always felt we were on the wrong side of the mission.

Much about Bosnian treatment of our troops was not told by the media. All around, this was a misguided mission.

Germany was only too happy to join in the bombing of Serbia. Settling old scores against those who sided against the nazi's and with the US in the second world war.

66 posted on 02/15/2007 11:03:35 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

The media helped slick willie perpetrate the hoax.


67 posted on 02/15/2007 11:04:34 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: 3AngelaD
Europe rightfully dubbed it a Wag the Dog and protested in the streets with signs saying MONICA BOMBS.

The media would have us all forget the atrocities we committed on behalf of the world's enemies.

68 posted on 02/15/2007 11:05:59 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: Red6
If he were still in power, would Saddam be rewarding families of anti-American "suicide-gunners," with $25,000 checks like he rewarded Palestinian suicide bombers?

Saddam Is Sending Money to Families of Suicide Bombers, Saturday, July 27, 2002

Other Arab states pledge millions each year to help the Palestinians, but the money never shows up. When Saddam Hussein promises them money, he delivers

In two years, the Iraqi leader has signed more than 500 checks for a total of $20 million distributed at ceremonies attended by top officials from Arafat's Palestinian Authority

Speakers at these gatherings deliver blistering attacks against President Bush and America for supporting Israel.

Shehade said the Palestinian people will rally around Hussein if the U.S. ever attacks him.

"Our support will be for Saddam," Shehade said. "He is for us a symbol, a father, and a leader because he is the one who feels our pain."

Saddam hopes that pain expressed for Palestinians throughout the Arab streets will turn into support for him if America strikes Iraq. That’s what he’s banking on.


69 posted on 02/15/2007 11:13:41 AM PST by syriacus (30,000 Americans died, in 30 months, to release South Korea from Kim Il-sung's tyranny.)
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To: Alouette
Were Cambodian Pol Pot survivors shooting up random people in the 1980's?

Well, no, but a Hmong refugee shot up random people in 2004.

70 posted on 02/15/2007 11:18:19 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: All

The media rushes to provide a defense - albeit posthumously - for a mass murderer, who happens to be a member of a politically protected class - by suggesting that, considering his background, his murderous actions were perfectly reasonable, natural, and predictable. And in the process of ignoring the obvious question (if his actions were so expected, why didn't the same media alert someone to expect them?), they provide another disturbing bit of knowledge.

Those who experience childhood in the crucible of violence, ethnic hatred, mass murder and murderous intentions, and the constant vision of death all around can be expected to blow a fuse and lash out violently at masses themselves. If this applies to Bosnians, wouldn't it also apply to, say, muslim youth growing up in the hell of the Middle East, where the very same conditions exist every day? Isn't this mass murder something, then, we can expect from muslims from the arab world as well, who spent their formative years being similarly conditioned?

Unfortunately, the tyranny of political correctness, and suicidal liberal pacifism, dictate that we can only acknowledge this information in hindsight, after said youths blow up malls or buildings and lots of people. At the same time we explain that one murderer grew up in a culture in which he was virtually programmed to kill, we foretell others who will do the same, but within a phony political construct that requires us to ignore the foreknowledge, and wait for death again. God must be puzzled at His creation.


71 posted on 02/15/2007 11:45:47 AM PST by DPMD (dpmd)
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To: dfwgator

"Utah mall gunman was Srebrenica survivor, cousin says
If only the Serbs had done their job, those people in Utah would be alive today."

Your grasp of international politics is...well...somewhat lacking.

Just as being the child of someone caught in an ugly situation does NOT "excuse" ones anti-social behaviour...

Cheering on those who did the slaughtering is less than honorable.

I say that what's being overlooked in MANY of the posts on this subject is the very REAL possibility that the shooter would adhere to whatever he was taught in the home about the "old country".

There are STILL legal immigrants from various European countries that get all pissy about WWII even after we saved their butts...???

So, jumping to the conclusion that you fully understand another's background from his last name or "religion" leaves quite a BIT to be desired.

I DO think that the hidden causes here are cultural, but precisely WHAT pressures came to bear we may NEVER know.


72 posted on 02/15/2007 12:00:29 PM PST by JB in Whitefish
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To: JB in Whitefish
Cheering on those who did the slaughtering is less than honorable.

It was a civil war, the slaughtering was taking place on all sides, but the Serbs were in particular singled out.

73 posted on 02/15/2007 12:05:32 PM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: dfwgator

All I'm saying is that we're NOT going to "fix" anything with hatred.

It appeared to ME that you were being overly-glib in your response to the tragedy.

While I DO think it's necessary to wage war on Islamofascism, I DON'T find war a "desirable" thing, let alone ethnic cleansing...

USN Veteran 1967-70


74 posted on 02/15/2007 12:11:12 PM PST by JB in Whitefish
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To: Red6
Yes, I think we have another victim here...
75 posted on 02/15/2007 12:19:33 PM PST by pabianice (LLY)
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To: Red6

The shooter is like the Bosnian/Muslim version of "Hannibal Rising". It would be interesting to know if this kid saw this movie recently before his murderous rampage.


76 posted on 02/15/2007 12:32:46 PM PST by khnyny
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To: layman; wildandcrazyrussian; ma bell; FormerLib; joan

Not only do muslims lie to aid in jihad and conquest (this is called taqqia), but the "Bosnian" muslims are the WORLD CHAMPIONS of taqqia!!!!

After all, they convinced most of the world that their radical islamist fuehrer Izetbegovic was a "moderate", and that the Serbs "invaded" their "country" to commit "genocide". (In reality, the Serbs had lived there for centuries, and were defending their homes, their lives, and their Christian faith.)

And CNN is pretty good at disseminating New World Order and islamist lies and propaganda as well! CNN is the Amanpour network, after all!!!!


77 posted on 02/15/2007 12:39:21 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: gracesdad

Yes, but you can really draw a line between the Bible believing Christians who beleive in salvation through Christ and the cults. You can't draw the same line between muslims, because their holiest book teaches it is right to lie and show a false side to infidels like you and me. Despite what you think of her, it could all easily have been a lie. She could have been going to a hate-spewing mosque hearing vile anti-American things in her native tongue, and you would NEVER know. WAKE UP AMERICA!


78 posted on 02/15/2007 1:34:48 PM PST by FNG
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To: Red6

Too bad he survived.


79 posted on 02/15/2007 1:44:26 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: BnBlFlag

Most of the Moslem soldiers there did survive by running for it as soon as they heard the Serbs had enough of them beheading defenseless farmers.


80 posted on 02/15/2007 2:29:45 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: webheart

He fled with his mother, and the father stayed behind, apparently to fight as a soldier. They were reunited in 1995. There are 3 younger sisters - it doesn't say anything about them when they "fled", so it looks like they were born after war.


81 posted on 02/15/2007 3:41:01 PM PST by joan
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To: CrawDaddyCA

That's is even more of a reason why he is angry at America. From 1992 to 1995 Serbs massacred more than 100,000 Bosnians for 3 yeaers. Know one did a thing about it. This was the same thing Hitler tried to do, this was a War of Agression, and it was difinitely not a civil war. The world turned its back on what was happening, and America knew about it, but they believed it was the Europeans problem, and finally near the end they came in. It was the Bosnian fighters and the Muslim Mugahidians that helped save the Muslims from disappering totally from Yugaslovia.


82 posted on 02/16/2007 5:29:12 PM PST by speakeroftruth42 (speakeroftruth42)
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To: dfwgator

Massacring more than 100,000 people in Bosnia is not a good thing!! Yugoslavians were terrible and they were doing the same exact thing that Hitler was doing. Killing people just because of their religion is wrong, and you cant say that the serbs should have finished that. What about Eric Robert Rudolph he was a christian terrorist who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States, which killed three people and injured at least 150 others. Does that mean we have to say the same thing about them. That we have to murder thousands of Christians, because of that. There is more to violence than religion.


83 posted on 02/16/2007 5:33:57 PM PST by speakeroftruth42 (speakeroftruth42)
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To: speakeroftruth42; Admin Moderator

Speaker of truth? Yeah right, troll.


84 posted on 02/16/2007 7:39:02 PM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: Red6

If you let a rabid animal loose, it's going to bite.

You can't expect anything less out of a mohammedan.

People are beginning to see mohammed's murderous minions for what they are, and soon it's going to be a bad thing to be a koranimal.


85 posted on 02/16/2007 10:57:51 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: speakeroftruth42
“It was the Bosnian fighters and the Muslim Mugahidians that helped save the Muslims from disappering totally from Yugaslovia.” You wrote-
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It was the USAF and US (Army) which stopped the conflict. I suggest you Google what Deliberate/Allied Force was all about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Allied_Force http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NATO_bombing_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina

You use inflated casualty statistics that can not be backed by any credible source.

You argue using a fallacy “Two wrongs make a right.” The Serbs did bad things so you rationalize his behavior based on that.

You lack correlation. It is questionable if he was there in the first place. The statement that he escaped is loosely used. At the time of the massacre which traumatized him allegedly he would have been around 4 or 5 years old. Let me let you in on something, since liberals love Psychology: Childhood amnesia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood_amnesia

Most people can't remember anything prior to the age of four when they are adults. Many of the things you think you remember from when you were younger are actually your imagination and it is often memories created when you were older (say six or seven). You think you remember things, because your parents tell you about them (for example) but you don’t really.

I really don't have time to dissect what you wrote. But you might want to try thinking about you reasoning before you post. An emotional outcry does not cut it.
86 posted on 02/17/2007 9:02:38 AM PST by Red6 (Come and get it.)
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