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Salt Lake Jihad?
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | February 15, 2007 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 02/15/2007 9:37:33 AM PST by flynmudd

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To: snarks_when_bored
Obviously, our recollections of which stories we saw and when can vary. However, as an example, here's the first CNN story I could find on google:

Muhammad a Gulf War vet, Islam convert Ex-wife described as 'in shock' over Muhammad's arrest Monday, January 26, 2004

(CNN) -- John Allen Muhammad, one of the two suspects in the Washington, D.C.-area sniper attacks, is a twice-divorced, 41-year-old Gulf War veteran who converted to Islam 17 years ago and earned an expert marksmanship badge in the U.S. Army.

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He described Muhammad as a strong believer in Islam who attended the Million Man March in Washington in 1995. The Associated Press reported that a former neighbor of Muhammad's said he provided security at the march, which was organized by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Nation of Islam officials in Chicago had no immediate comment, according to the AP.

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Converted to Islam after first marriage ended

The Times reported Thursday that Muhammad converted to Islam after he and Williams divorced. The Times quoted Williams as saying he converted to Islam 17 years ago, about the same time he joined the Army. "After he changed his religion, he called and told me what not to feed my child," she said. "I told him as long as he [their son] lived with me, it was up to me." ============================================

A pretty straight-forward account, it seems to me.

41 posted on 02/15/2007 12:40:32 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone

I see no mention of jihad in that story. Muhammad and Malvo were waging jihad.


42 posted on 02/15/2007 12:43:53 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: flynmudd
The Muslim religion is incompatible with Western freedoms.

One of two things must happen: a muslim reformation, or relocation. The "Clash of Civilizations" is here - bigtime.

43 posted on 02/15/2007 12:51:53 PM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: flynmudd

Here's my guess. Deprive the enemy of the propoganda impact of the killings by burying it. Smother the jihad with soothing BS about mental illness and stress. In an interesting way, this is a great way to neuter the jihadists - don't even acknowledge them. I only hope that this is being done in concert with our own forces targeting and killing as many as the jihadists as possible in the privacy of their Afgani caves and Tehran apartments. I hope.


44 posted on 02/15/2007 12:51:55 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: Big Red Clay
Keep the population shopping and watching American Idol. We wouldn't want them to recognize or acknowledge that there is a war going on....

Uh... OK... What's the population supposed to be doing, then? Are you disappointed that people aren't panicking and running mad in the streets?

People know there's a war going on, but for most folk their only role is to continue to live their lives. What else should they do?

45 posted on 02/15/2007 12:58:07 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: redpoll

Maybe, but sometimes it really is just a mental case. Some guy acting alone doesn't stand out and create widespread terror even if the loser IS a muslim.

Now five guys, coordinating an assault on a mall, panicking and running people into a mass kill zone... THAT would be what a terrorist would do.

But one lone teen nutcase is more than likely just that.


46 posted on 02/15/2007 1:02:08 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: isthisnickcool

Interesting audio. thanks.


47 posted on 02/15/2007 1:03:28 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Ramius
Let see, a person who goes into a public place, shoots people and at people randomly to kill and scare people is a terrorist. That's pretty simple for anyone with two adjoining Brain cells. When this person is a Muslin that makes him a Muslim Terrorist. They may need three active brain cells for that thought to form. Any other statement is just a bold faced lie!!!!!
48 posted on 02/15/2007 1:08:04 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

OK. fine. He's a terrorist. This makes a difference how?

Am I supposed to be afraid? He's dead. He doesn't appear to have any buddies that got away. There's no indication he was sent by a foreign government, so there's nobody to invade. I don't understand what difference you think it makes what label we put on him?

I for one think he can be a lone jihadi nutcase whacked out teen all rolled into one.


49 posted on 02/15/2007 1:20:12 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: flynmudd; Admin Moderator
Duplicate (and earlier) post here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785235/posts

Search is your friend.

50 posted on 02/15/2007 1:23:18 PM PST by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: flynmudd
From the article...."Why did Talovic do it? No one knows."

Since that's the case any analysis is nothing more than idle speculation, which is always fun but frequently wrong.

51 posted on 02/15/2007 1:25:41 PM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: flynmudd
FBI special agent Patrick Kiernan discounted that possibility. “We’re working closely with the Salt Lake P.D. and we’re obviously aware that that [terrorism] is a potential issue out there,” he explained. “But at this point there is nothing that is leading us down this road.”

We're doomed.

52 posted on 02/15/2007 1:30:27 PM PST by Ben Chad
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To: flynmudd

There has to be a point where the MSM can't bury the Muslim/Jihad motive. Maybe the body count has to be in triple digits or he's blown up an entire school and mailed an explicit suicide/video to a TV station. What happened to 'hate crime'? Presumably this killer hated ordinary Americans. But it's only a hate crime if minorities are killed by straight whites. (I forgot.)


53 posted on 02/15/2007 1:42:28 PM PST by hershey
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To: Issaquahking

Of course every thinking person knows these are terrorist acts.

The problem is that if the masses stop going shopping the economy will tank because consumer spending comprises 2/3 of our economy.

If that happens the jihadists will have accomplished their goal.


54 posted on 02/15/2007 1:53:23 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: Issaquahking
Point taken.

It wasn't the families looks alone that led me to the statement. I was strictly limiting my comments to the family NOT to Talovic. As I said, it would be interesting to see how much influence his religion had if Mayor Anderson ever lets any information out about it.

I do also agree with you that terrorism shouldn't require an umbrella organization. Just as other examples have been cited, if he killed for Allah etc - it is a promotion of an ideology or goal by violence and fear (compulsion) of the masses. That's terrorism in my book.

In the end, I doubt we'll get many details on this especially if his Muslim religion was involved - Anderson will suppress it.

55 posted on 02/15/2007 2:18:38 PM PST by batter (formerly known as "soccer8")
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To: San Jacinto
Do they teach hate?

I don't know if they teach hate or not, but they do all teach that Islam must become the official religion of the world, by whatever means that is available.

56 posted on 02/15/2007 2:20:21 PM PST by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: batter
Batter, you play good ball! The only thread of commonality I see in the muslim world is that there are two kinds of muslims. Those that say they are muslim, to fit in where they are at, and not be killed. Then there seems to be the radical muslim that we will have to wipe off the planet. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who, on the front side.

Like I said earlier, they're not dumb, and our state departments are clueless as to how to deal with infiltration. A war of unforeseen dimensions is the only outcome I can fore see coming globally in the near future. All the mosques are like mini HQ's. Till Americans are ready to all stand up and take back the country, we are destined on the road to slavery,lead by the PC sheeple, believing all will be okay, just trust the government to solve the problem.

The government is the problem currently. We've opened our southern borders,and intimidated our border agents, and LEO's. We've got dhimmirats in congress holding hands with the likes of David Gregory, and other mainstream pukers doing everything they can to to get the war out of the ME and bring it to America.

I do have to take my hat off to the officer from Ogden (off duty) for being there doing what he does best - protecting citizenery. must have been a tense couple of moments when the other police arrived not neccesarily knowing who he was. Friendly fire of one of our own would heave really been horrible. Didn't take much to figure out 100% surety had been established that it was the dead punk on the deck that was the problem.

We will some interesting times in the nest few years!
57 posted on 02/15/2007 3:26:19 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: Issaquahking; All
Look over here: Terror At Trolley Square, SLC [Home Video with AUDIO OF SHOUTS OF "ALLAH AKBAR"]

I'm still trying to view the video site must be getting tons of hits) - I can't confirm the Allah Akbar stuff.

58 posted on 02/15/2007 3:37:10 PM PST by batter (formerly known as "soccer8")
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To: batter

My sound system on the computer (cheapy) isn't good enough to make it out. Ping me if anybody has the high tech stuff to get make a clear case on this.


59 posted on 02/15/2007 4:08:45 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: Ramius
The call from the foreign muslim terrorists is for individuals to kill and cause terror in the USA.
This muslim responded. Why is the MNM and a bunch of other folks whitewashing it?
As with any other situation you gather the facts which lead to the course of action necessary to respond, punish, and neutralize the offenders/threat.
What do people get from ignoring the truth.
This was a Muslim Terrorist! That he died for his cause does not make it go away!!!!
60 posted on 02/16/2007 10:54:30 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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