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11 more Republicans get behind Iraq rebuke ["more"? - isn't it ONLY 11? An LAT headline - go figure]
Los Angeles Times ^ | February 15, 2007 | Richard Simon and James Gerstenzang

Posted on 02/15/2007 10:49:14 AM PST by freedomdefender

In a striking display of dissension, a group of Republican lawmakers broke ranks with the White House on Wednesday and embraced a resolution opposing more U.S. troops in Iraq — airing their criticism even as President Bush publicly defended his plan.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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What does the headline mean by "11 more" -- ? I read the story, and it sounds like only 11 Republicans are supporting this measure - so what does "more" mean? Did I miss something - or did the headline writer miss something, or is it a biased headline?
1 posted on 02/15/2007 10:49:19 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

vote whores


2 posted on 02/15/2007 10:50:39 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: freedomdefender
Liberal Arts Math....


3 posted on 02/15/2007 10:50:54 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: freedomdefender

Are they talking about Senators, or Representatives?


4 posted on 02/15/2007 10:51:59 AM PST by AaronInCarolina
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To: freedomdefender

..will these be called "The Gang of Eleven"?


5 posted on 02/15/2007 10:52:41 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: freedomdefender

"He added that mail and calls to his office are running 10 to 1 in support of his position."

in other words, the entire DU with posting privileges has called his office..


6 posted on 02/15/2007 10:53:26 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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To: freedomdefender

C#C&S$CK*RS

7 posted on 02/15/2007 10:53:52 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: WalterSkinner

Ocean's Eleven but the first word isn't Ocean.


8 posted on 02/15/2007 10:54:39 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: freedomdefender

the way I read it there are only 11, NOT 11 MORE...


9 posted on 02/15/2007 10:55:04 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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To: Doogle

Exactly.....nothing more, nothing less.

Re-election is all politicians care about from the very first day in office.


10 posted on 02/15/2007 11:02:30 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: freedomdefender
Nine of the 11 Republicans who criticized Bush's troop-buildup plan voted for the 2002 resolution authorizing the use of military force against Iraq; the two dissenters were Reps. John J. "Jimmy" Duncan Jr. of Tennessee and Ron Paul of Texas

Ron Paul?

Isn't he regarded as some kind of a maverick hero by many here on FR?

11 posted on 02/15/2007 11:03:58 AM PST by what's up
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To: Doogle
Vote whores indeed . But i don't blame them , this war has been bungled from the time we toppled Saddam . The pc fighting never worked . The enemy knows the WH is not serious about war as it needs to be fought . There are many of us who are sick and tired of our best being picked off by cave dwelling goat f22kers . The fact that we allow Sadr and the rest of this scum to live is sickening . Okay so for the sake of those who went all in ,lets make one more try . There are many who think as i do . No lefty here....
12 posted on 02/15/2007 11:11:21 AM PST by fantom
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To: what's up

Ron Paul is an idiot


13 posted on 02/15/2007 11:12:12 AM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: vietvet67
Re-election is all politicians care about from the very first day in office.

They the party has the responsibility to not support them for reelection.

14 posted on 02/15/2007 11:18:04 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Logical me
Sorry mistype

Then the party has the responsibility to not support them for reelection.
15 posted on 02/15/2007 11:20:17 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: fantom

...never said it was going to be easy


16 posted on 02/15/2007 11:28:22 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: fantom

"There are many who think as i do"

bump


17 posted on 02/15/2007 11:37:07 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: All

Watching proceedings in the House on C-SPAN. The Chair just said each side has a little over four hours left. The vote is not going to come until the wee hours of the morning.


18 posted on 02/15/2007 11:41:04 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: freedomdefender

Pubbies are showing the lack of a spine, AGAIN.


19 posted on 02/15/2007 11:54:07 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: freedomdefender
"Rep. Mike Castle is one of about two dozen House Republicans who are expected to vote in favor of the resolution."


20 posted on 02/15/2007 12:03:04 PM PST by newzjunkey (WSJ: BofA aims new credit card at illegals! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1783883/posts)
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To: All
The WA Times lists these among the Republicans AGAINST the surge:

Rep. Howard Coble, North Carolina, 
Rep. Wayne Gilchrest, Maryland, 
Rep. Michael Castle, Delaware, 
Rep. Jim Ramstad, Minnesota, 
Rep. Ric Keller, Florida, 
Rep. Philip S. English, Pennsylvania, 
Rep. Ron E. Paul, Texas, 
Rep. Steven C. LaTourette, Ohio, 
Rep. Fred Upton, Michigan and 
Rep. Walter Jones, North Carolina.

Rep. Jim Marshall, Georgia Democrat, OPPOSES the resolution on the grounds it may harm the troops.

Source: WA Times

21 posted on 02/15/2007 12:09:11 PM PST by newzjunkey (WSJ: BofA aims new credit card at illegals! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1783883/posts)
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To: freedomdefender

It is imperative for our side to demoralize the defeatists and traitors not only to stand up to their defeatism and treason but also to constantly remind them that they are too weak and too impotent that they can barely pass a "non binding" defeatist resolution in the House and they cannot even pass it in the Senate. Remember that the left wing loons and their meida live in a delusional world where they see themselves all powerful and in total control and nothing will demoralize more than to remind them with the bitter reality that they are too weak and to impotent to stop President Bush from doing what he wants to win the war.


22 posted on 02/15/2007 12:21:15 PM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: what's up

Yup, he generally believes we should bring all our troops home, and not just with Iraq. Guess he sort of follows the Monroe Doctrine. On the economic homefront though I agree with him 100%.


23 posted on 02/15/2007 12:25:14 PM PST by rb22982
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To: newzjunkey

That's the list of representatives that will not be re-elected next election cycle. We will know by November whether or not the new strategy works. Regardless, I absolutely abhor people who don't stick to their guns and vote by polls. There are just too many Americans that don't know the facts on the ground and don't take the time to find out the truth because they are just too lazy.


24 posted on 02/15/2007 12:25:17 PM PST by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSA Blalock-DDG 61)
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To: neverhillorat

Ron Paul is a hero who correctly predicted that this would be a mess back in 2003 when many starry-eyed Wilsonians confidently promised that the Iraqis would great us with flowers, that the Shi'ite lamb would lay down next to to Sunni lion, that the other Islamo-fascist dominoes would soon fall, and that the war would "pay for itself" via Iraqi oil.


25 posted on 02/15/2007 12:27:51 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: what's up

"Ron Paul?

Isn't he regarded as some kind of a maverick hero by many here on FR?"

He is a new age isolationist. He is right on many issues constitutionally but never saw a war he'd support.


26 posted on 02/15/2007 12:29:49 PM PST by Jim Verdolini
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To: flynmudd
That's the list of representatives that will not be re-elected next election cycle.

Folks here said the same thing about Ron Paul last year. He was reelected in a landslide both in the primary and general election. He will again should he choose to run.

27 posted on 02/15/2007 12:30:13 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
"Folks here said the same thing about Ron Paul last year."

Care to back up your assertion, sweetie?

28 posted on 02/15/2007 12:32:28 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Paul is a little too isolationist in general for me.

But I agree that he appears to have been right about Iraq.


29 posted on 02/15/2007 12:43:42 PM PST by tabsternager
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To: neverhillorat

Ron Paul is a hero... I'm backing him for President and am going to put some effort behind him here in New Hampshire.


30 posted on 02/15/2007 12:47:10 PM PST by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: freedomdefender

GIRLEY MAN LOSERS!!


31 posted on 02/15/2007 1:13:06 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Doogle

"vote whores"?

Walter Jones was the first guy in Congress to demand a pardon from Bush for the 2 border patrol officers who are in prison.

He's also the guy who led the effort to try to get the soldiers who were falsely accused of "war crimes" in Iraq released from prison.

He was also the guy who came up with the idea of changing the name "french fries" to "freedom fries."

He's a conservative who thinks that going into Baghdad with 20,000 more troops to be a fool's errand -- as a lot of conservatives think.


32 posted on 02/15/2007 1:18:15 PM PST by tabsternager
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To: t_skoz

Why in heavens name do you think Ron Paul could lead this country?Where or when has he shown any leadership. Saying No to everything is not being a leader by the way.


33 posted on 02/15/2007 1:55:51 PM PST by neverhillorat (IF THE RATS WIN, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: freedomdefender

It's the Left Angeles Times! What did you expect? The truth? hahahaha


34 posted on 02/15/2007 3:34:46 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (ANSWER, UFPJ, MoveOn, etc are ANTI-FREEDOM, NOT A PEACE MOVEMENT)
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To: AaronInCarolina

reps


35 posted on 02/15/2007 3:35:21 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (ANSWER, UFPJ, MoveOn, etc are ANTI-FREEDOM, NOT A PEACE MOVEMENT)
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To: newzjunkey

Add John Duncan Jr, R-TN to the defeatocrat caucus.


36 posted on 02/15/2007 4:33:55 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (ANSWER, UFPJ, MoveOn, etc are ANTI-FREEDOM, NOT A PEACE MOVEMENT)
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To: tabsternager

Right, how? I'm not familiar with his stance.


37 posted on 02/15/2007 4:35:11 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (ANSWER, UFPJ, MoveOn, etc are ANTI-FREEDOM, NOT A PEACE MOVEMENT)
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To: oneamericanvoice

He believed then, as well as now, that you can't force democracy on others. He believes it's idealistic and naive to be in the business of nation building and we'd only get stuck there in Iraq.


38 posted on 02/15/2007 6:05:26 PM PST by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager

"He believed then, as well as now, that you can't force democracy on others. He believes it's idealistic and naive to be in the business of nation building and we'd only get stuck there in Iraq."

Pardon me, but who are you refering to?

As to your report on what "he" believes. Liberals/Democrats love to use this line of reasoning. They have done it repeatedly when it suits their needs. First, we didn't force democracy on anyone. The Iraqis chose it. Remember the elections. Second, "he believes it's idealistic and naive to be in the business of nation building". If that were so then "he" would condem our continued involvement in Kosovo/Serbia and Bosnia, which were begun under President Clinton. The policy in Iraq is to stabilization a nation depleted by a henious dictator. Stabilization means many things, but among them are schools, water, electricity, etc. Would your champion not be in favor of doing those things for the formerly oppressed? Third, "stuck in Iraq". We are not "stuck" anywhere, nor have we ever been. Again, this is Leftist propoganda that clearly shows disrespect for our military. War and stabilization are not "fast food" nor "microwaveable". It happens in it's own time. One of the first points that you learn as a military member is that the battlefield is fluid. I served in Germany in the '70s and '80s. Once the war was over, we moved into the stabilization phase, and then into the strategic phase. The last one doesn't always accompany our in involvement.

Find out if "he" has a position on Darfur, please. He probably will, which is to stop the genocide. Ask what his plan is to succeed at that goal. My bet is that he doesn't have one. Then realize that were we to "cut and run" from Iraq, there would be two genocides, not one.


39 posted on 02/16/2007 9:03:54 AM PST by oneamericanvoice (ANSWER, UFPJ, MoveOn, etc are ANTI-FREEDOM, NOT A PEACE MOVEMENT)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Huh? I was answering your question about what I've heard Paul say that he believes. Wasn't that your question, or were you just looking to find somebody to argue with?

If you knew anything about Paul, first you would know that he's a Republican who not only opposed the Iraq War but also opposed going into Bosnia.

Paul's a libertarian Republican, who is, for me, too isolationist, and I wouldn't vote for him if he were to run for President.

I was all for ousting Hussein, but Paul wasn't. But on one thing I agree with Paul, that it should not be the job of the military to become peacekeepers or to "stabilize."

By the way, an election being held with a large voter turnout proves nothing. The question should be whom or what are they voting for?


40 posted on 02/16/2007 12:32:07 PM PST by tabsternager
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