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Civilian Deaths In Iraq Drop Overnight [Surge is working]
Associated Press via CBS News ^ | 2/16/07

Posted on 02/16/2007 7:43:31 AM PST by advance_copy

The number of Iraqi civilians killed in Baghdad's sectarian violence fell drastically overnight, an Iraqi military official said Friday, crediting the joint U.S.-Iraqi security operation that began in force just days ago.

Iraqi army Brig. Gen. Qassim Moussawi, a spokesman for the Baghdad commander, said only 10 bodies had been reported by the morgue in the capital, compared to an average of 40 to 50 per day.

"This shows a big reduction in terror and killing operations in Baghdad," he said on Iraqi state television.

A U.S. military spokesman, meanwhile, said there were no indications that the al-Qaida in Iraq leader had been killed or wounded in a raid, contradicting reports from the Iraqi government. Further calling the reports into question, an Iraqi army officer said the al-Qaida leader's deputy _ said to be killed in Thursday's raid north of Baghdad _ has been jailed for a week south of the city.

Interior Ministry spokesman, Brig. Gen. Abdul-Karim Khalaf said earlier Friday that terror leader Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, was wounded and an aide killed Thursday in a clash with Iraqi forces near Balad, north of Baghdad.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; victory
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Even as Democrats force their "non-binding resolution" to undermine the mission through Congress, reports reveal that our fine troops and their Iraqi allies are succeeding in Baghdad. Democrats are saddened that they can't prevent victory fast enough with their "slow bleed".
1 posted on 02/16/2007 7:43:32 AM PST by advance_copy
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To: advance_copy

"...only 10 bodies had been reported by the morgue in the capital..."

New Orleans will have more than that during Mardi Gras weekend.


2 posted on 02/16/2007 7:45:59 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

Ain't that the truth? You can add L.A., Detroit, D.C. and many other American cities.


3 posted on 02/16/2007 7:50:06 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: advance_copy

The democrats and media will be criticizing a plan as it is working, and then they will have to try and cause its failure, or manufacture evidence of failure. A very sorry state of affairs.


4 posted on 02/16/2007 7:50:40 AM PST by Williams
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To: advance_copy
It's not the surge that working, it's the aggressive sweep. We need the surge so we can perform sweeps while covering our rear. Since only a small fraction of surge troops have arrived, I can only pray for the safety of our troops who are being stretched out. I also pray for the wisdom of those who lead our troops both over seas and here at home.
5 posted on 02/16/2007 7:50:48 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: advance_copy
Democrats are saddened that they can't prevent victory fast enough with their "slow bleed".

Well-stated.

6 posted on 02/16/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by syriacus (30,000 Americans died, in 30 months, to release South Korea from Kim Il-sung's tyranny.)
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To: advance_copy

I'm glad it's working but why did we wait so long?

Geez, kill the enemy already!


7 posted on 02/16/2007 7:51:26 AM PST by Frosted Flake
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To: rabidralph

We need to pull out of New Orleans, L.A., Detroit and D.C. ASAP.


8 posted on 02/16/2007 7:51:49 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Williams
they will have to try and cause its failure

I suspect that if the plan works the Democrats/Media will just blame the President for not doing it soon enough.
9 posted on 02/16/2007 7:55:16 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: advance_copy
I tend to believe that the democrats handling of the war will be their undoing.

They've got a lot of voters believing that the war was a bad idea, but the voters won't go so far as to condone de-funding the troops, and leaving them on a suicide mission.
10 posted on 02/16/2007 7:55:43 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: advance_copy

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh The MSM may be forced to report.


11 posted on 02/16/2007 7:55:47 AM PST by TheRake (Still Taxed to death in Michigan....it's getting worse)
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To: Frosted Flake
I'm glad it's working but why did we wait so long?

Bush the Politician was locked in to the "our leaders on the ground agree that we have all the troops we need" mantra.

It's what happens when politicians and political correctness trump the decisions of Generals in the combat zone.

12 posted on 02/16/2007 7:55:59 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: advance_copy; P-Marlowe; jude24; SandRat; Calpernia; VaBthang4; rdb3; Thunder 6

In that case, you can count on the media/liberals to seriously play UP those that do occur.

You can also expect them to set the standard: "Even one is too many."

They'll never do the same for US cities, for other countries, but they will for Iraq.

I detest the MSM/liberals.


13 posted on 02/16/2007 7:58:25 AM PST by xzins
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To: advance_copy
Even as Democrats force their "non-binding resolution" to undermine the mission through Congress...

Should the surge succeed and bring stability and security to Iraq finally (let's hope so), that "non-binding resolution" will be a fine evidence of their being wrong again, as they were in the Cold War.
14 posted on 02/16/2007 8:00:20 AM PST by Dubya's fan
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To: xzins
I detest the MSM/liberals.

Agreed. There is no more contemptible group. They stand in stark contrast to the most admirable Americans who serve our nation and freedom with their truly noble mission in Iraq.
15 posted on 02/16/2007 8:01:30 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: airborne

Wrong.


16 posted on 02/16/2007 8:03:02 AM PST by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!! s)
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To: advance_copy
Since no one else has said it, let me be the first. Bush's fault.
17 posted on 02/16/2007 8:03:25 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Hagel, Obama, Voinovich and Biden making the world safe for Iranian terrorists.)
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To: advance_copy
While this is very good news, maybe we should wait just a bit and see if it continues. These are stats for only one day!

Let's hope and pray that the good news continues every day.

18 posted on 02/16/2007 8:04:22 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: advance_copy

"I detest the MSM/liberals."

Same here. A plague on them. They wasted four years of our time with the "Joe and Val are being persecuted" crap, when there were journalists who could have told us it wasn't true. The MSM is just a business, and they are in the business of getting people to watch. Any old crap that accomplishes that is okay.


19 posted on 02/16/2007 8:05:46 AM PST by popdonnelly (Conservatives must have their own long march through the institutions.)
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To: advance_copy

I believe that this is a result of sacking General Casey. Casey should have been sacked long ago. His "plan" and vision were to simply manage the war until such time as a withdrawal could take place. In other words, Casey managed the war to LOSE!

We are seeing results now because we have - finally - taken the gloves off and General David Petraeus is prosecuting this war to win!


20 posted on 02/16/2007 8:06:07 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: basil

Are we waiting to see if the reporting of a good event continues??? ;-)

Bump for an AP aberration. Let's hope it's contagious! :-D


21 posted on 02/16/2007 8:06:41 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: airborne; txrangerette

This current strategy is no different than that which has been used throughout this campaign in Iraq.

The idea is to clear a city and then to hold up.

All along the president said that we were awaiting the numbers of Iraqi troops to make this viable.

One huge difference is that we're trying to hold Iran and Syria accountable.

The generals didn't need more troops before this. We didn't have the number of troops to dedicate to this mission if we were to try it just with American forces.

We needed a trained Iraqi Army to grow up to the point that they could participate in this.


22 posted on 02/16/2007 8:14:12 AM PST by xzins
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To: Obadiah
General David Petraeus is prosecuting this war to win!

A 21st century Patton?
23 posted on 02/16/2007 8:16:10 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: basil

One of the U.S. commanders thinks it won't last. He feels it's a the lull before the storm. Let's hope his concern is unfounded.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070216/pl_nm/iraq_usa_violence_dc


24 posted on 02/16/2007 8:18:43 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: rabidralph

Sadly, Newark, NJ


25 posted on 02/16/2007 8:23:07 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: xzins
One huge difference is that we're trying to hold Iran and Syria accountable.

A political strategy.

Military strategy would have been to immediately close the borders. With troops, tanks, aircraft, etc.

26 posted on 02/16/2007 8:23:16 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: advance_copy

27 posted on 02/16/2007 8:26:38 AM PST by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: advance_copy

Let us hope.


28 posted on 02/16/2007 8:33:40 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: kittymyrib

I was going to say that at the rate Baghdad was going it would be tied with New Orleans by summer and with Philadelphia by fall.


29 posted on 02/16/2007 8:36:03 AM PST by Eva
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To: advance_copy

"Even as Democrats force their "non-binding resolution" to undermine the mission through Congress..."

They are all in favor of giving the terrorists a fair chance. Unfortunately there are a pot full of republicans on their bandwagon.


30 posted on 02/16/2007 8:39:06 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: Long Island Pete

"We need to pull out of New Orleans, L.A., Detroit and D.C. ASAP."

LOL!

*and maybe a good idea :)



31 posted on 02/16/2007 8:42:45 AM PST by Cedar
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To: airborne; txrangerette

During this phase of Operation Law & Order the government announced it is closing the borders with Iran and Syria. (Iran 72hours; Syria no length was given...indefinite?)


32 posted on 02/16/2007 8:47:07 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins

Other way around I believe. Syria 72 hrs and Iran unlimited.


33 posted on 02/16/2007 8:52:34 AM PST by spacejunkie
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To: advance_copy

No.


34 posted on 02/16/2007 8:53:34 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks, so few circuses.)
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To: advance_copy

And yet the Democrats are flabergasted.


35 posted on 02/16/2007 8:55:54 AM PST by ziggy_dlo (THE LAND OF THE FREE, FOUGHT FOR BY THE BRAVE!!! We Never Forget 9/11.)
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To: xzins
I'm only suggesting that, as a military strategy, it should have been done long ago.

You wrote - "One huge difference is that we're trying to hold Iran and Syria accountable."

I think that would have been best acheived by first securing the borders.

I have faith in our CIC, but I'm not so blinded by party loyalty (not saying you are BTW) that I can't consider that the President is constrained by political circumstances.

36 posted on 02/16/2007 8:56:44 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: spacejunkie

They always said if I had to screw my head on that I'd screw it on backwards.

:>)


37 posted on 02/16/2007 8:57:12 AM PST by xzins
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To: advance_copy
Now, wait just a minute here. The 'Rats told me that this surge wasn't going to work, and now you're telling me that it is. Does this mean that Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, Harry Reid and the rest of our Capitol Hill RatPack were lying to me? Or just that they don't know what the they're talking about?
38 posted on 02/16/2007 8:58:18 AM PST by tgslTakoma
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To: airborne

I agree about the political stuff.

We havent't been getting it on with Syria and Iran for the same reasons we held back on Laos and Cambodia during Vietnam....politics.

I think if our guys get attacked by anyone, they should AUTOMATICALLY be allowed to take it all the way back to its source. That would keep a lot of that crap from happening.


39 posted on 02/16/2007 9:01:44 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: advance_copy

It would be preferable if they did not report overnight stats as any kind of trend. This is poor tactics, although the MSM might be doing it deliberately.


40 posted on 02/16/2007 9:04:24 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: xzins
I think if our guys get attacked by anyone, they should AUTOMATICALLY be allowed to take it all the way back to its source. That would keep a lot of that crap from happening.

AMEN! May God bless and protect our soldiers!

41 posted on 02/16/2007 9:10:56 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: advance_copy

"non-binding resolution"
what is the purpose of such an act?


42 posted on 02/16/2007 9:16:13 AM PST by Ancient Drive
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To: Frosted Flake

The enemy are not dying, they are bugging out for the time being. This may be accomplishing nothing. We don't know.


43 posted on 02/16/2007 9:16:26 AM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: xzins

I'd screw mine on upside down.


44 posted on 02/16/2007 9:21:47 AM PST by wastedyears ( "Gun control is hitting your target accurately." - Richard Marcinko)
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To: RightWhale
It would be preferable if they did not report overnight stats as any kind of trend. This is poor tactics, although the MSM might be doing it deliberately.

I agree RightWhale, we need to be very cautious here. The enemy TTP (Tactics Techniques and Procedures) has always been to study their targets thoroughly prior to launching any significant counteroffensive. You can bet your entire life's savings that GEN Petraeus is not claiming victory just yet. He understands that this thing has only just begun.

Maj. Gen. Joseph Fil, commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad, also reported a reduction in violence, attributing it to both the increased U.S. and Iraqi security presence and an apparent decision by the militias and insurgents to lay low. - AP

Should we be cautiously optimistic? Yes. Should we jump to conclusions about such spectacular and immediate results? Probably not just yet. Let's hold on to this excitement everyone...if we can be just as excited a month or two months from now it will be much sweeter.

Oh and by the way...I am starting a campaign to end "MSM" as the acronym for the Media Jackals. An "MSM" is a Meritorious Service Medal! Who's with me?

45 posted on 02/16/2007 9:25:24 AM PST by Moose248 (Posting from LSA Adder, Iraq)
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To: wastedyears

:>)


46 posted on 02/16/2007 9:45:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Ancient Drive
"non-binding resolution" what is the purpose of such an act?

To show support for the troops of course..../sarcasm
47 posted on 02/16/2007 10:01:13 AM PST by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: xzins

I am glad for anything that saves more innocent Iraqi lives.


48 posted on 02/16/2007 10:01:44 AM PST by CJ-50
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To: Dixie Yooper

>>It's not the surge that working, it's the aggressive sweep.<<

Frankly, for me, the new rules of engagement are much bigger news than the "surge". I am reminded of this line:

"Do we get to win this time" - Rambo

Looks like someone is deciding we might want to actually treat this like a war and not a "humanitarian thing".


49 posted on 02/16/2007 10:04:18 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: advance_copy

What I'm worried about is that we don't seem to be engaging in any major combat with insurgents and militias; they seem to be just melting away. I might have missed some reports, but I don't get the sense that we're killing many bad guys or finding many weapons.


50 posted on 02/16/2007 10:04:42 AM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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