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Posted on 02/16/2007 8:13:17 AM PST by ckilmer
Minutemen Go Inside Latino Immigration Meeting - Racism Espoused, Calls for Violence Against "Whites"
by Linda Muller - Minuteman Project - ForTheCause.us
Minuteman Project National Spokesman Raymond Herrera talks about the radical latino groups with Kevin Shannon, host of, The Right Source Radio Show. Listen to a mp3 of the show...
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The reason for calling this meeting, according to NAHR, is that "Mexicano and Latino efforts to push for a comprehensive humane immigration reform at this time lack the requisite mobilization power to influence the now Democratic controlled Congress."
The announcement for the meeting said, "Time is ticking and so if we are to be successful in pressuring the Democrats and Bush Administration to act on immigration reform, as a community must act now.
We need to ignite the fires of activism that produced last year's historically unprecedented marches and mobilizations of millions of Mexicanos and Latinos."
The meeting was held in a library meeting room and during introductions Minuteman Project National Spokesman Raymond Herrera and National Rally Coordinator Robin Hvidston said they were with the Minuteman Project. Navarro said even though he was barred from Minutemen meetings Herrera and Hvidston would be allowed to stay.
"He then made a comment about the Minutemen being racists," Hvidston said. "I replied the Minutemen are multi-ethnic. He said if the Minutemen interrupted the meeting, he would have us removed. I said I was merely correcting his inaccurate statement."
After referring to the Minutemen as racists, Navarro gave opening remarks. He talked about the recent ICE raids. Then the floor was open for comments. "I was astounded by the nonstop hate talk about 'white' people," Hvidston said.
"There was talk of how poorly Latino children are doing in school. White people were blamed. Talk about raids at work sites by ICE. White people were blamed. Talk about not enough Hispanic school teachers. White people were blamed. Talk about imprisonment of Latinos. White people were blamed," Hvidston recounted.
"People stood up and gave testimonials about white people being the cause of poor education, prison sentences, police brutality They used slang such as 'gavachos' to refer to white people."
One man named Victor said he had just gotten back from Washington, DC. He said the Mexican congress members, who were recently in Washington, were not treated right. He said the Hispanic Caucus needs to do more for Latinos. Most of all, he said Latinos are disturbed that the new Democratic congress is focusing on Iraq rather than immigration reform and this had better change.
Navarro is planning a march for March 17th in San Bernardino. He said they will be calling on cities such as L.A. to join them. He said if civil disobedience is needed to stop any future ICE raids, so be it. One man stated that if guns and violence are needed, they should use violence to overwhelm the white people. He encouraged the community to take what they want by overwhelming and overpowering force.
Robin Hvidston believes the group is nervous because they still do not have amnesty, even with a Democratic majority in Congress. Raymond Herrera stated at the meeting that Navarro's leadership is much needed in Mexico, to fix Mexico. Raymond believes that there is a Mexican Revolution taking place, but that it should move down to Mexico where it can do the most good.
Also in attendance at this February 13 meeting in San Bernardino were three staff members from Congressman Joe Baca's office. Baca represents California's 43rd District and he is a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. According to Hvidston, most of the attendees do not believe Baca is doing enough to help the Latino community. "They stated repeatedly, that in the 'Inland Empire' there are too many Republican congress members."
The National Alliance for Human Rights describes itself as a network of leaders, activists, scholars and organizations committed to the promotion of human rights, social justice and political empowerment of the Latino community in the United States.
As co-founder of For the Cause, Linda Muller has spent the last 2 decades working for various conservative candidates and Causes, including Rep. Tom Tancredo, Pat Buchanan, Jim Gilchrist and the Minuteman Project.
SOURCE: ForThe Cause.us and The Minuteman Project
And there are fringe groups of those of European descent who advocate violence toward those of non-European descent. What's your point (rhetorical)?
If they are pushing for a Reconquista (which most definitely does NOT seem to be the mainstream view of Latinos in the country), then taking over Mexico and making it all a part of the country could remove their base (they could still try some separatist thing--ala ETA and the Basque country, but it would be more difficult). Plus, Mexico has a warm climate, enticing Americans to emigrate to the former Mexico (at least once infrastructure, such as water sanitation plants that produce safer water, is put in place).
The displacement of previous peoples is not something new. The Bible mentions several such things. Germanic peoples displaced many Celts in the British Islands into Wales and Scotland, and became the ruling elites in several other countries where they were numerically too small to displace the local populace (Franks in France to the Gauls, Visigoths in Iberia, Ostrogoths in Italy--and for a non-Germanic/non-Europe one, Mexico again, with a relatively small Spanish elite ruling over a largely Amerindian or mestizo population, even today).
Indeed, there are drug dealers, smugglers, and other unsavory people coming up across the southern border, but few are actively trying to return much of the western part of the country to Mexico.
Did they get any of this on tape?
"...Victor said he had just gotten back from Washington, DC. He said the Mexican congress members, who were recently in Washington, were not treated right...Most of all, he said Latinos are disturbed that the new Democratic congress is focusing on Iraq rather than immigration reform and this had better change." Oh dear. Mexican Congress members weren't treated right. What, the Dems who met with them neglected to kiss both of their feet? On the day that Pelosi's plane was the lead story? Congress focusing on the war that we are engaged in is a bad thing? What a bunch of perdadores.
Yes, the Aztecs moved in on the poor indigenous local tribes at Lake Texcoco and did some extradorinarly nasty things to them, like recruit their leader's daughter to marry their chief, and instead lead her to their temple and cut out her still beating heart, along with general treachery and slaughter. These idiots forget what they were doing to each other before Europeans arrived. Curiously, there is only one North American indigenous language group that tracks with the language spoken by the first Aztecs, and that is the language spoken by the Utes of Western Colorado and Utah.
North of central Mexico, the land was largely uninhabited because stone age people could not survive in numbers in a hostile environment. The rampant cannibalism of the tribes was one indication of how precarious their existence was. The amount of land used and controlled by the handful of indians was miniscule. Bear in mind, th eaboriginal inhabitants of the Americas had not invented the wheel and didn't have horses.
you can take anything you want in this world, the question is... are you strong enough to keep it???
If we don't stop illegals, and deport them, we are in for hell!
Unfortunately, this is typical of the left.
Maybe his point is the governmental attitudes towards 'European fringe groups' and groups like La Raza isn't exactly even handed. Multi million dollar philanthropic organizations across the country fund 'non-European' fringe groups, but I'm reasonably certain the FOrd Foundation has never provided a grant to Aryan Brotherhood.
January 15, 2007 Issue
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Multiculturalism doesnt make vibrant communities but defensive ones. In America, you dont need to belong to a family-based mafia for protection because the state will enforce your contracts with some degree of equality before the law. In Mexico, though, as former New York Times correspondent Alan Riding wrote in his 1984 bestseller Distant Neighbors: A Portrait of the Mexicans, Public life could be defined as the abuse of power to achieve wealth and the abuse of wealth to achieve power. Anyone outside the extended family is assumed to have predatory intentions, which explains the famous warmth and solidarity of Mexican families. Mexicans need few friends, Riding observed, because they have many relatives. Mexico is a notoriously low-trust culture and a notoriously unequal one. The great traveler Alexander von Humboldt observed two centuries ago, in words that are arguably still true, Mexico is the country of inequality. Perhaps nowhere in the world is there a more horrendous distribution of wealth, civilization, cultivation of land, and population. Jorge G. Castañeda, Vicente Foxs first foreign minister, noted the ethnic substratum of Mexicos disparities in 1995: The business or intellectual elites of the nation tend to be white (there are still exceptions, but they are becoming more scarce with the years). By the 1980s, Mexico was once again a country of three nations: the criollo minority of elites and the upper-middle class, living in style and affluence; the huge, poor, mestizo majority; and the utterly destitute minority of what in colonial times was called the Republic of Indians
Castañeda pointed out, These divisions partly explain why Mexico is as violent and unruly, as surprising and unfathomable as it has always prided itself on being. The pervasiveness of the violence was obfuscated for years by the fact that much of it was generally directed by the state and the elites against society and the masses, not the other way around. The current rash of violence by society against the state and elites is simply a retargeting. These deep-rooted Mexican attitudes largely account for why, in Putnams Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey, Los Angeles ended up looking a lot like it did in the Oscar-winning movie Crash. I once asked a Hollywood agent why there are so many brother acts among filmmakers these days, such as the Coens, Wachowskis, Farrellys, and Wayans. Who else can you trust? he shrugged.
In America, you dont need to belong to a family-based mafia for protection because the state will enforce your contracts with some degree of equality before the law. In Mexico, though, as former New York Times correspondent Alan Riding wrote in his 1984 bestseller Distant Neighbors: A Portrait of the Mexicans, Public life could be defined as the abuse of power to achieve wealth and the abuse of wealth to achieve power. Anyone outside the extended family is assumed to have predatory intentions, which explains the famous warmth and solidarity of Mexican families. Mexicans need few friends, Riding observed, because they have many relatives.
Mexico is a notoriously low-trust culture and a notoriously unequal one. The great traveler Alexander von Humboldt observed two centuries ago, in words that are arguably still true, Mexico is the country of inequality. Perhaps nowhere in the world is there a more horrendous distribution of wealth, civilization, cultivation of land, and population. Jorge G. Castañeda, Vicente Foxs first foreign minister, noted the ethnic substratum of Mexicos disparities in 1995:
The business or intellectual elites of the nation tend to be white (there are still exceptions, but they are becoming more scarce with the years). By the 1980s, Mexico was once again a country of three nations: the criollo minority of elites and the upper-middle class, living in style and affluence; the huge, poor, mestizo majority; and the utterly destitute minority of what in colonial times was called the Republic of Indians
Castañeda pointed out, These divisions partly explain why Mexico is as violent and unruly, as surprising and unfathomable as it has always prided itself on being. The pervasiveness of the violence was obfuscated for years by the fact that much of it was generally directed by the state and the elites against society and the masses, not the other way around. The current rash of violence by society against the state and elites is simply a retargeting.
These deep-rooted Mexican attitudes largely account for why, in Putnams Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey, Los Angeles ended up looking a lot like it did in the Oscar-winning movie Crash. I once asked a Hollywood agent why there are so many brother acts among filmmakers these days, such as the Coens, Wachowskis, Farrellys, and Wayans. Who else can you trust? he shrugged.
These groups are recieving positive PR on the MSM.
The Azlan and this group do not just recieve a free pass from CNN, MSNBC, AP, Reuters, FNC, and ABCCBSNBC, they recieve an outright endorsement and favorable editing.
They selectivly cut out the "kill whity" parts for the "we want jobs"
It is like jimmy carter saying one leftist thing in spanish and another benign "for the children" thing in english.
Things changed about 10 years ago. Illegals used to lay low, and go about their business. But today, their numbers are so overwhelming that they refuse to assimulate, and many are hateful and angry. We are in for real trouble in a few years.
>>Navarro is planning a march for March 17th in San Bernardino. He said they will be calling on cities such as L.A. to join them. He said if civil disobedience is needed to stop any future ICE raids, so be it. One man stated that if guns and violence are needed, they should use violence to overwhelm the white people. He encouraged the community to take what they want by overwhelming and overpowering force.<<
Thank you for the ping, B4.
Locked & loaded as we've not yet moved....
I wouldn't recommend it.
Klan With A Tan....bump
Hi, It seems you have not read recent archaeological studies of the Americas. Estimates of the population of the "lower 48" states of North America range as high as 25 million, a figure which was not reached in this area until the 1830s or 1840s. I suggest a reading of Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" as a starting point. The "weapon" causing death to these inhabitants was usually germs as the natives had no resistance to European diseases. There were, based upon large archeological remains, large numbers of North American Indians.
I will acknowledge quite willingly that certain native societies participated in human sacrifice. It must be borne in mind that at the same time, people were burned at the stake in large numbers in Europe for heresy. Similar practices were dominant in parts of Europe until the fall of the USSR.
Most people respect the culture of ancient Egypt. Lack of the wheel didn't appear to have significantly affected the ancient population of Egypt. Lack of horses didn't halt the construction of pyramids.
Many archaeologists argue that the entire population of the Western hemisphere may have numbered as many as 200 millions of people at the time of the first significant European contacts. Mexico City at the time of the Conquest was far more populous than any city of Europe. Many cities of North American Indians may have approached or exceeded the population of Paris or London at the same time. Check on the "Mound Builders".
What the natives of the Americas lacked which was also lacking among Polynesians was resistance to European hepatitis, smallpox, measles, chicken pox, etc.
Cortez, when he approached Mexico City had never seen such a large city for the simple reason that cities of such size didn't exist anywhere except in the Western hemisphere and possibly China.
I have provided a starting point for your studies. Before you make blanket statements regarding the number of inhabitants prior to European contact, please consult original sources or at least sources that have cited original sources.
You describe "rampant cannibalism" and I wish to see your evidence of the practice among North American Indians. I am quite aware of some of the findings in the SW US and suspect them to be an aberration similar to the cannibalism reported from Leningrad in 1942.
If you truly understood the ethnic history of the Americas, you would also know that there are far more linguistic stocks in the Americas than in Eurasia. The Americans were quite diverse. This is all supposed to have happened in a period of less than 20,000 years. The invention of agriculture at least simultaneously with the same discovery in Asia, The invention of writing also happened apparently independently, even in North America. There are records in the British Museum that refer to a written language in their own tongues as early as 1640 among North American Indians.
For more recent and thoroughly documented history of what happens to a population when exposed to exotic diseases, one need look no further than the state of Hawaii. The country, at the time of discovery by Captain Cook had recently been unified and was thickly populated. Measles, and other diseases killed over 90% of the native population within two generations. More people died in following generations and the number of native Hawaiians is a tiny fraction of those in the late 18th century. Going farther back, one can read accounts of British and Spanish and French fishermen and settlers who reported large communities completely emptied within five to ten years.
The good Pilgrim Fathers raided devasted communities for the food and unearthed food that had been buried with the dead who had died of disease in order to survive. The people were dead, so no crime was committed as survival was at issue but it is false to claim that the country was unpopulated prior to European contact.
The trail of DeSoto was strewn with runaway pigs and disease. The wild pigs exist to this day in the woods of Florida, Georgia and Alabama and other states. DeSoto himself reported no bison as it appears the natives kept that population in check. By the way, De Soto appears to have not progressed much past the MIssissippi River. He might have found bison further west but reports by surviving members of his party do not describe large herds. De Soto himself reported large towns and large numbers of natives.
The bison or buffalo herds appeared in great numbers in the Eastern US only after many of the native hunters had died. The European settlement of the Carribean had much the same results. Estimates of the population of Cuba shortly after discovery range upward of 500,000 according to Spanish records.
If you wish to cite areas such as Amazonia to support your views, you are in yet more trouble. It appears that the natives built self-sustaining islands of productivity in Amazonia and had learned how to fix nutrients in a tropical rain forest. There was an interesting article in the "Wall Street Journal" on March 14, 2007 about that and it is supported by a great deal of archaelogical work.
I would also like to remind you of a great work by Pliny the elder which described the practice of human sacrifice in Classical Rome and nearby nations. No nation is without guilt in that sort of practice. One can look at obvious sacrifices at Stonehenge and at the Collosseum and find human sacrifices. For the practice of cannibalism, I would refer you to the Old Testament to indicate that it was not unknown at that time. That was perhaps the reason for the prohibitions of Leviticus.
I would be pleased to provide you with peer-reviewed articles supporting my statements.
I am aware of the newer "high count literature", which has been developed by the Gramscian historical left. Yes, much of it appears in peer reviewed journals, but the Gramscians largely control the history profession, as they control some many other things in academia. The statement about large numbers having been burnt for heresy in Europe is an often repeated fabrication. Some of that occurred, but on a vastly smaller scale that is popularly believed. Surely you a kidding about the ancient Egyptians lacking the wheel... and horses for that matter.
Frankly, I don't have time to correct the many errors that you seem to embrace. They range from obvious points of fact to more subtle issues of historiography and the sociology of the modern university. You obviously are sincere, well-intentioned, and intellectually curious, and I wish you the very best.
I have no earthly idea of the "Gramscians". Never heard of them and am not particularly interested as my discipline is one of the physical sciences.
What impresses me far more than accounts of historians of whatever persuasion is the number of artifacts and bones. As a lad, I picked up huge numbers of weapons from the fields we farmed. Matters became more complicated when we excavated a mound and found remains of huge numbers of native Americans.
It became even more complicated when I learned that neighbors had been digging up bones to use as fertilizer for a century or so before I became aware of matter in the 1950s. It simply is not economical to dig up bones and grind them as fertilizer unless the numbers are large enough to justify the enterprise. This was on a bend in a small creek. I have worked several such sites as an amateur.
One might explain literally tons of tools by saying that they were easily made but the explanation of the numbers of human bodies in areas as distant as Georgia and Arkansas and Massachusetts is tough to explain away. It gets tougher when one tries to claim that skeletons in a particular area with evidence of a particular cultures were accumulated over long periods of time.
Last I heard, one skull equalled one person. When there are a couple thousand skulls of the same period in time residing in one place, it seems likely that the people died at nearly the same time. This is especially likely when one considers the apparent causes of death. I can give you references for that.
We have information about mass graves in Kosovo and equally good information on graves in Georgia, Arkansas, Massachusetts and so on. The literary information from English and French sources in the Northeastern part of the US is about as reliable as the maps that such explorers drew.
I can provide information from oral sources but it seems that oral sources are acceptable only occasinally in the Western world. I would like to mention that the Old Testament was not set into a written form until at earliest, 300 BCE.
You criticized my mention of the lack of use of the horse and wheel in Egypt. I will accept that point and mention that horses and wheeled vehicles were products for the aristocracy of Egypt until the Ptolemaic dynasty.
The US presently has B-52s and Abrams tanks. Does that mean that such objects are in general use? I will also point out that toys with wheels have been found in Mayan tombs. None of this means that the horse or wheel had practical use in Egypt until Ptolemaic times.
I will mention the fact that nuclear armed missiles are in the arsenals of several countries. Does that mean that inhabitants of Britain, the US, Russia, France, India, China, Pakistan and perhaps Israel and North Korea and South Africa , use nuclear weapons as part of their daily lives?
When making an argument about the technology used by a nation, one probably should restrict the question to the availability of the technology. This complicates matters but history is complicated. I don't have a nuclear warhead nor do I own a B-52. In earlu Egptian rimes, I submit that people viewed a chariot in the same way as I do a tank. This isn't something I would ever but.
Take a good look at the maximum of what current technology has. Then take a look at what would be found in your local landfill. Landfills are what archaeologists use for the most part to evaluate a civilization. It looks like an archaeologist of the future would find beer cans, computer monitors and TVs and lots of plastic ties from disposable diapers.
And the government is hot to give them free stuff and amnesty for their views. Oh, and a quarter of the country to shut them up.
I've been all over the Southeast and think I've found a couple of arrowheads.
My experiences show a thinly populated land.
And arrival of Europeans to North America long before Christopher Columbus would have surely jumpstarted the immune system of those early Americans, priming them for the Spanish onslaught.
I grew up in Indian country - an area of the West that was among the last settled. My great grandparents were amateur archeologists/anthropologists who collected and catalogued literally tons of Indian artifacts for museums. Apart from some things made of leather, bone, and wood, the tools were stones.
This was typical of pre-Columbian North America. Indian cultures were quite primitive compared to Europe, just as the European tribes were quite primitive compared to the Romans and the Greeks. Cultures transmit, peoples change.
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