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9/11 questions [BBC Joins Tinfoil "Truthers"]
BBC ^ | Feb. 14, 2007 | Mike Rudin

Posted on 02/16/2007 8:18:54 AM PST by Alouette

Lots of questions have been raised about 9/11:

Why was the hole in the Pentagon wall so small and why was there so little damage to the outer wall?

Why does it look like there is no plane at the crash site in Pennsylvania where flight United 93 came down?

Why did a building called World Trade Centre Building 7 collapse even though it was never hit by an aircraft?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 02/16/2007 8:18:57 AM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 02/16/2007 8:19:36 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: EveningStar

"Kyle did it"


3 posted on 02/16/2007 8:20:20 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Alouette
Responsible journalism.

Next up: do flying saucers and space aliens exits and is Bigfoot real?
4 posted on 02/16/2007 8:24:46 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Alouette
They do have a point.

Anyone who has ever flown on a jumbo airliner knows that it is a single solid block of stainless steel, not a hollow tube of metal panels filled with air.

And everyone knows that even if you fill a soda can with kerosene, light a fuse, and shoot it at a cinderblock at a speed of 400 miles an hour, the soda can should wind up relatively unscathed.

The kerosene explosion shouldn't tear it into shreds and the impact on the cinderblock shouldn't flatten it.

5 posted on 02/16/2007 8:25:58 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Alouette

Some people insist we didn't land on the moon, and have all sort of questions that seem quite logical to someone with no understanding of the effects they're questioning.

Some people insist the Nazis weren't committing genocide, and have all sort of questions that seem quite logical to someone who is pursuing a foundation for the seething hate in their heart.

Some people, even today, insist the world is flat, and offer all sorts of scientific evidence.

All of these are assertion fueled by pre-existing agendas. So is the lunatic 9-11 Denial Movement.


6 posted on 02/16/2007 8:28:22 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Alouette
>>>Why did a building called World Trade Center Building 7 collapse even though it was never hit by an aircraft?

I do find this one intriguing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ
Larry Silverstien stating he said 'Pull it'.
7 posted on 02/16/2007 8:28:45 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alouette
Here is a great resource for combating nonsense like this.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

8 posted on 02/16/2007 8:28:46 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Point your toilets towards Mecca!)
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To: Alouette

I wish I'd known about this before now. Seems like they could do a little more to get out word about this website...

http://usinfo.state.gov/utils/printpage.html


9 posted on 02/16/2007 8:29:05 AM PST by villagerjoel (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: Calpernia
Larry Silverstien stating he said 'Pull it'.

Except "pull it" isn't even a phrase used in structure demolition.

10 posted on 02/16/2007 8:30:12 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Point your toilets towards Mecca!)
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To: Calpernia
Larry Silverstien stating he said 'Pull it'.

Intriguing?

Crackpot garbage.

11 posted on 02/16/2007 8:30:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Alouette

This is more like something drunks like to debate...enough all ready!


12 posted on 02/16/2007 8:31:07 AM PST by Edgerunner (Better RED state than DEAD state)
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To: Alouette

The Beeb done it.


13 posted on 02/16/2007 8:31:27 AM PST by bkepley
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To: Calpernia

From the US State Department debunking site:

"5) World Trade Center building 7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition.

* This allegation was fueled by a comment by the WTC owner that, after WTC 7 was judged to be unstable, he recommended pulling a group of firefighters out of the building, using the phrase “pull it” in reference to the contingent of firefighters. For more details, see 9/11 Revealed?
* Conspiracy theorists have interpreted the “pull it” remark as slang for demolishing the building with explosives. But demolition experts say “pulling” a building means attaching long cables to a weakened structure and literally pulling it down with bulldozers and other powerful machinery – not using explosives.
* Seismographs recorded no telltale spikes or anomalies that would have indicated the use of explosives.
* For more information, see ImplosionWorld article, the National Institute of Science and Technology’s “Answers to Frequently Asked Questions,” and Popular Mechanics, part 5."

http://usinfo.state.gov/utils/printpage.html


14 posted on 02/16/2007 8:31:28 AM PST by villagerjoel (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: wideawake

In that case there are a lot of mysteries because many of these large airplane crashes almost completely obliterate the airplane.


15 posted on 02/16/2007 8:34:25 AM PST by bkepley
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To: Calpernia

September 5, 2001—Sakher “Rocky” Hammad, who works for Magic Plumbing and Heating on 93rd Street in Brooklyn, is known to have done work on the sprinkler system in the World Trade Center, and when arrested he has a photo ID WTC visitor’s pass for this date. The identity of the tenant who hired him is not known. On 2/5/02, Hammad is one of five Arab men arrested in connection with the fiery murder of Tennessee drivers’ license examiner Katherine Smith several days earlier. Hammad also spent time in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn in 2000.
Link: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/629113/posts

“The sprinkler system had turned on and had started to do something, but it wasn't doing its job as it should, so there was water sloshing down the stairways.” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/674846/posts




Did the 9/11 Commission receive all the documents it requested?

No they did not.

Looking at this document: http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-4.pdf

Did you all see the stories about the NJ/NY smell? I keyworded it NJ Farts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=njfarts

It is being reported as Methyl Mercaptan.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1764340/posts

I say the smell is coming from Fresh Kills. I live 20 minutes from there.

The trade center debri went there.

If the smell IS Methyl Mercaptan, then couldn't that mean the Jet fuel wasn't burned off?

Then the towers may have had demolition help?

Think about Sandy Berger and Able Danger.

Brooklyn was one of the covered up pieces of information about a jihadi cell.

Magic Plumbing and Heating is from Brooklyn.

And the 9/11 Commission report has no information on them. There were consultants hired as go betweens that kept any direct contact from happening.


16 posted on 02/16/2007 8:35:48 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alouette
Why did TWA800 blow up in a manner consistent with a missile; but if as the NTSB claimed it was due to a fuel tank problem, why has no other airplane before or since had the same problem?

Why is it that Bill and Hillary Clinton had so many close associates die or commit suicide under odd circumstances, with so many of those people's deaths benefiting only the Clintons?

How is it that the period following the Chinese donation of millions of dollars of money to the Clinton's , also follows a period where the Chinese vastly improved their missile delivery and other space-related and arms-related programs?

17 posted on 02/16/2007 8:36:58 AM PST by ikka
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To: wideawake

What is crackpot garbage? Larry silverstein? His interview? Or the expression Pull it?


18 posted on 02/16/2007 8:36:58 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alouette

This is sick stuff.


19 posted on 02/16/2007 8:37:35 AM PST by Brian Sears (Time flies like an arrow, and fruit flies like a bannana)
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To: villagerjoel

That doesn't sound like it fits in his dialogue from that interview at all.


20 posted on 02/16/2007 8:38:08 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: wideawake
Nice use of sarcasm

:)

21 posted on 02/16/2007 8:39:37 AM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who thinks he is a Conservative)
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To: RacerF150

Tell him that, not me.


22 posted on 02/16/2007 8:39:39 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alouette

Where are all the passengers of the four flights, if this was a conspiracy?


23 posted on 02/16/2007 8:41:04 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: Calpernia
Or the expression Pull it?

The moonbat allegations about a supersecret meaning of "pull it" as a magical codephrase.

24 posted on 02/16/2007 8:41:58 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Then again, past experience shows us that when an airplane crashes into the ground at high speed there isn't much of it left. Just a charred hole in the ground.

Compounded by the fact that there was no effort try to slow down as with previous crashes.


25 posted on 02/16/2007 8:42:47 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Brad Cloven

According to the tinfoilers, they were all taken ioff the planes, consolidated into a fifth plane and then flown to a secret location somewhere in the Rockies where they are being held as prisoners of the government.


26 posted on 02/16/2007 8:45:25 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

They used pull it to pull building six during demolition and WTC 7. What is supersecret?


27 posted on 02/16/2007 8:45:41 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: lormand
Thank you, thank you.

I'll be here all week.

28 posted on 02/16/2007 8:46:01 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
According to the tinfoilers, they were all taken ioff the planes, consolidated into a fifth plane and then flown to a secret location somewhere in the Rockies where they are being held as prisoners of the government

So, they'd kill 3000 people at work in office buildings, but they'll keep a few hundred alive who know the whole thing was a sham, and have to house, clothe, feed, etc., them?

Brilliant minds at work underneath all that tinfoil.

29 posted on 02/16/2007 8:47:28 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Calpernia
They were talking about pulling the firefighters back as they could hear structural members snapping from inside the building.

Also, a lot of the photos of WTC7 are from one side or the back. The front of the building, facing WTC1/2, was gutted up to the 10th floor. Fires noticeable on the backside of the building about half way up had burned through from the FRONT.

30 posted on 02/16/2007 8:49:03 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Calpernia
"Pull it" refers to pulling the firefighting detail from an unsalvageable building so as not to put the firefighters in any further danger.

it has nothing to do with ordering a demolition.

Silverstein was the property owner, and the mayor and FDNY commissioner told him, in effect: "Look, the building has been evacuated but the firefighters can still try to save it if you want to try. Or we can pull the firefighting detail." And Silverstein in effect said: "Then pull it. You've lost enough guys today - no need to risk more firefighters' lives fighting a blaze when there is no one left in the building."

The allegation that "pull it" is a codeword for intentional demolition is complete and unadulterated bullsh!t conspiracy theory.

31 posted on 02/16/2007 8:50:56 AM PST by wideawake
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To: atomicpossum
According to the tinfoilers, they were all taken ioff the planes, consolidated into a fifth plane and then flown to a secret location somewhere in the Rockies where they are being held as prisoners of the government

So, they'd kill 3000 people at work in office buildings, but they'll keep a few hundred alive who know the whole thing was a sham, and have to house, clothe, feed, etc., them? ----------------------------------------------------------
I'ld love to know who is being 'implied' as saying that. I was there and saw the debris. Worse yet, the smell.




32 posted on 02/16/2007 8:52:10 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: wideawake

No it doesn't. Watch the video.


33 posted on 02/16/2007 8:52:47 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I was there too. I also saw the debris.

Yet, unlike you, I have not lost my mind as a result.

34 posted on 02/16/2007 8:53:33 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Alouette

I'll go even further and state that the 7/7 bombings in London was the work of UK Socialists trying to get Blaire out of his position. People who believe in Globull Warming also believe in this bullsh*t.


35 posted on 02/16/2007 8:54:01 AM PST by Dallas59 (Case Closed)
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To: Dead Corpse

>>>They were talking about pulling the firefighters back as they could hear structural members snapping from inside the building.


Did you watch the video?


>>>>Also, a lot of the photos of WTC7 are from one side or the back. The front of the building, facing WTC1/2, was gutted up to the 10th floor. Fires noticeable on the backside of the building about half way up had burned through from the FRONT.


I'm not sure what this is in reponse to.


36 posted on 02/16/2007 8:54:23 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: wideawake

You are still being very vague on what you are insinuating I lost my mind about.


37 posted on 02/16/2007 8:55:36 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
I'ld love to know who is being 'implied' as saying that.

I was responding to a post by wideawake. I assume he is referring to the brilliant minds of the 'Truther' movement.

38 posted on 02/16/2007 8:56:15 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: atomicpossum

I know you were reply to wideawake.


39 posted on 02/16/2007 8:56:59 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Watch the video.

I've seen this bullsh!t spliced video a dozen times, posted by various crackpots on various sites.

(1) Silverstein is not referring to the demolition of any building.

(2) The video shows the weeks-later demolition of the useless remaining section of the structure, spliced with 9/11 footage in a deliberately misleading manner.

Disgusting.

40 posted on 02/16/2007 8:58:07 AM PST by wideawake
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I assume he is referring to the brilliant minds of the 'Truther' movement.

Indeed I was. And apparently one of these brilliant minds is now masquerading as a FReeper.

41 posted on 02/16/2007 8:59:18 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Calpernia
Did you watch the video?

Yes? And?

I'm not sure what this is in reponse to.

Or course not.

WTC7 was coming down on it's own. No intervention needed. Also, the trick to demolition isn't "pulling" a building down, using explosives to "create a vacuum to pull it down" as that one commentator on youtube mentioned...

Buildings are designed so that they resist the force of gravity to collapse them. They can be considered to be in a state of "arrested collapse". The trick is to remove the counter forces keeping it up. Let gravity do the rest. Anyone who's done even a cursory study of it would know this.

Conspiracies can be fun. This wasn't one.

42 posted on 02/16/2007 8:59:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: wideawake

This is not a spliced video. It is an excerpt of a documentary that was on T.V. before it was posted at YouTube.

He was speaking directly to the firemen when he said pull it.

They even used that term in the beginning of the excerpt to have WTC6 pulled.


43 posted on 02/16/2007 9:01:15 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Dead Corpse
Did you watch the video?

Yes? And?
------------------------------------------------

You said in your post pull it was directed at the firemen. It was not.

I still have no idea what the rest of your post is in reference to.

44 posted on 02/16/2007 9:03:13 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alouette


"We told them the truth. But one fourth of Americans are retards."

-George Bush, 'South Park'


45 posted on 02/16/2007 9:03:21 AM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Calpernia
This is not a spliced video.

Then you don't know what splicing is.

If you are maintaining that this video is one, continuous unbroken shot and not cut or spliced in any way, then I'm not sure where to start.

Do you know what a camera is, and how it works?

He was speaking directly to the firemen when he said pull it.

So you are claiming that the FDNY does private demolition work for a living instead of what all the rest of us thought they did: i.e. fighting fires?

They even used that term in the beginning of the excerpt to have WTC6 pulled.

You keep using the word "pulled" as if we agreed on its meaning in this context. Hint: we do not.

I am employing "pulled" in its common English acceptation and you are employing it in the parallel "Truther" fantasy meaning.

You can't prove you're not mistaken by simply repeating your mistake.

46 posted on 02/16/2007 9:08:08 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Here's a very entertaining *and very profane* trashing of the 9-11 Conspiracy Scum by none other than Penn and Teller.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186504.php

Our local FM talk station played a lot of this heavily bleeped the other day...Frankly, it's a savaging that these neo-Holocaust Deniers deserve to receive more often.

47 posted on 02/16/2007 9:09:26 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: wideawake

"Crackpot garbage."

Yep, and it only reinforces my view that the world has become a soap-box for reckless statements, idiotic postion-taking, or outward flat out lying. Why? Because it gets played in the printed press and on tv. and no one seems to ever have to answer for it.


48 posted on 02/16/2007 9:10:25 AM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Alouette
BBC Joins Tinfoil "Truthers"

BBC joins Tinfoil group?
BBC IS the Tinfoil hat headquarters.
No outfit on the planet has more America-hating nut cases than the BBC does.
It's merely business as usual.
Nothing to see here, move long.
49 posted on 02/16/2007 9:10:49 AM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: Calpernia; Dead Corpse
Calpernia in post 43:

He was speaking directly to the firemen when he said pull it.

Calpernia, one post and 118 seconds later:

You said in your post pull it was directed at the firemen. It was not.

One post you're telling me the hardhats are firefighters and the next post you're telling DC they're not.

Make up your mind and get back to us.

50 posted on 02/16/2007 9:12:22 AM PST by wideawake
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