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(SLC)Trolley Square killer had violent juvenile history
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 02/15/2007 06:20:05 PM MST | Stephen Hunt and Brent Israelsen

Posted on 02/16/2007 12:15:02 PM PST by Bokababe

Posted: 4:48 PM- The shooting rampage at Trolley Square was not Sulejman Talovic's first act of violence. At age 12, Talovic was before a judge for allegedly holding a knife over the head of girl while stating, "I'll kill you," according to a source who is familiar with the case. Two years earlier, Talovic was referred to juvenile court for throwing rocks at a little girl. About the same time, he threatened his parents' landlord with a knife..... The first girl was not struck by the stones. And the mother of the second girl snatched her up in the nick of time, just as Talovic took a swipe with the blade, according to the source, who has seen court documents relating to the case.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: borderslanguage; bosnia; clintonlegacy; culture; enemywithin; islam; sjs; suddenjihadsyndrome; talovic; wot; wrongside; wrongwar
Meanwhile CNN is jerking around over his history in Bosnia.
1 posted on 02/16/2007 12:15:06 PM PST by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

I saw one of his relatives on TV talking about what a nice boy he was.


2 posted on 02/16/2007 12:17:58 PM PST by bkepley
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To: Bokababe
Hmmm. A violent, juvenile history...just like Islam itself!

What a difference punctuation makes ;)

3 posted on 02/16/2007 12:21:53 PM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Bokababe
CNN is crap.

They're over there wringing their hands that "24" may lead the most professional and well trained military to commit war crimes.

Blitzer doesn't know Jack.

4 posted on 02/16/2007 12:22:29 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: bkepley
Two years earlier, Talovic was referred to juvenile court for throwing rocks at a little girl. About the same time, he threatened his parents' landlord with a knife.

Just a nice jihadi practicing his culture which is part of the wonderful diverse fabric of America. We all need to be more sensitive and understanding. < / sarcasm >

5 posted on 02/16/2007 12:22:35 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: bkepley

I saw one of his relatives on TV talking about what a nice boy he was.

I'd hate to see what they consider a bad guy!


6 posted on 02/16/2007 12:24:52 PM PST by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: bkepley

Reminds me of one of comedienne Julia Gorin's schticks where she shows the mother of a suicide bomber saying, "I can't understand it -- he was such a nice boy! Want to see his baby pictures?" And there's the kid at age five with explosives strapped to him, and the sonogram of him as a fetus holding a Kalshnikov!"


7 posted on 02/16/2007 12:24:58 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

CNN will make hay on the Smith thing and the BB player who hates gays yet this Muslim terrorist kills 5 and it's a passing story with selective reporting.


8 posted on 02/16/2007 12:25:16 PM PST by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Bokababe

That sounds really funny!


9 posted on 02/16/2007 12:26:48 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Bokababe

Well, despite the MSM's best efforts to hide it, the public found out that Jihad Johnny was a Muslim. New story: he was your basic troubled youth and being a Muslim had nothing to do with it.


10 posted on 02/16/2007 12:26:59 PM PST by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: Bokababe

Meanwhile CNN is jerking around over his history in Bosnia.

Jerking around with his history in Bosnia???  Good GOD, woman!  Have you no heart?  Who cares if he was or san't on hand for a slaughter?  So what if his Grandfather may have been a terrorist.  Big deal if there was not really any ethnic cleansing but just the Serbs "Taking Out The Trash".  The REAL issue is that something may (or may not have, but COULD have) hurt his feelings.

The boy (BOY) is the REAL victim here and the United States is to blame in general and Bush and his Neo Con (read that Dirty Jews) friends are the real culprits here.

You'd know that if you'd actually watch CNN from time to time.

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.


11 posted on 02/16/2007 12:31:15 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Lynn Cheney needs to bitch-slap Wolf Blitzer once again!


12 posted on 02/16/2007 12:31:55 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Bokababe


Yeah, I'm fine with lax immigration laws....


13 posted on 02/16/2007 12:32:52 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Bokababe
He must have been a jihadist through and through. Note that in earlier encounters he was taking on a girl. I think it's a religious thing for them to pick on girls, they are devout cowards.
14 posted on 02/16/2007 12:33:16 PM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Bokababe

Does this surprise anyone?


15 posted on 02/16/2007 12:34:29 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: Bokababe

"Two years earlier, Talovic was referred to juvenile court for throwing rocks at a little girl."

Stoning females ... hmmm, where have I heard this before?


16 posted on 02/16/2007 12:36:10 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Bokababe
"throwing rocks at a little girl"

Typical courageous jackal..... /s

Engage in violence against those much weaker and more vulnerable.......
17 posted on 02/16/2007 12:38:19 PM PST by Enchante (Chamberlain Democrats embraced by terrorists and America-haters worldwide!!)
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To: Bokababe

I'm astounded at how so much of the media is really going all out to make excuses for this kid. There was an article on Yahoo briefly earlier today that chronicled what his family had experienced over ten years ago and speculated on how that might have affected him. It could lead the informed to conclude, hey, he probably thought he was shooting at Serbs. All is forgiven.

I also loved what I heard last night. How his family was also suffering "because they had lost their son." I'm sure his family is suffering. But this was kind of like the Menendez brothers' lawyer asking for mercy on account of their being orphans.


18 posted on 02/16/2007 12:43:05 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (NoBama)
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To: TheKidster
I'd hate to see what they consider a bad guy!

Probably not. After all, what most lefties and jihadists consider a "bad guy" would be the sort you would vote for.

19 posted on 02/16/2007 12:47:03 PM PST by thulldud ("Para inglÚs, oprima el dos.")
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To: bkepley

Must be a mix up in the records...


/s


20 posted on 02/16/2007 12:49:15 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: TheKidster

He was yet another Islamic terrorist. What else is there to know?


21 posted on 02/16/2007 12:54:04 PM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: sportutegrl
He killed three females and two males.

"The card store Cabin Fever had been packed with Valentine’s Day shoppers when the shooting started, store owner David Dean said. He said three or four of the victims were shot inside.

"Marie Smith, 23, watched as he raised his gun and fired at a young woman approaching him from behind."

"Cassidy Rapier comforts his girlfriend, Marie Smith, after a mall shooting Monday in Salt Lake City. Smith said she saw a woman get shot in the head outside Bath & Body Works, where she works."

22 posted on 02/16/2007 12:56:09 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: TheKidster
I'd hate to see what they consider a bad guy!

A Muslim bad boy is one that doesn't pull the det cord on his vest in a timely manner.

23 posted on 02/16/2007 1:02:32 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: org.whodat
A Muslim bad boy, to a Muslim, is one that doesn't pull the det cord on his vest in a timely manner.
Left out part of the statement, someone will be flaming me.
24 posted on 02/16/2007 1:04:25 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: BenLurkin

Thanks for showing a photo of "a real victim" -- along with the others who were killed, and their families. Sometimes we need a reiminder what they look like before the press turns the vicitmizer into a supposed "victim".


25 posted on 02/16/2007 1:10:05 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

His history in Bosnia may well have been a big part of how he got so messed up. The family's former landlord, who he threatened with a knife, believes that is a factor, and he's in a much better position to know than we are. However, given the particulars of the young man's run-ins with Utah law as a juvenile, I'm now inclined to blame the courts who didn't heed the huge warnings signs and order serious intervention and supervision (probably including some time confined to an institution) back when it might still have done some good. Earlier news reports had said he had a juvenile record, but that it didn't involve any violence, giving the impression that he just "snapped" to a degree that no one could reasonably have been expected to foresee.

We need to seriously re-think the whole policy of keeping juvenile records sealed. This guy was a time bomb, and if teachers and employers could have had access to his court records, they would likely have interpreted his behavior differently, and responded to it differently.

Some years back, a student at my alma mater, who was living in a dorm at the time, was exposed as a juvenile bomber/arsonist. The only reason it was exposed was because the Secret Service was sweeping the campus prior to an appearance by a major political figure. THEY have access to juvenile criminal records, and based on what they saw in those records, honed in on this girl and started doing some serious investigation and questioning of professors who knew her. Long and short of it was, the Secret Service ended up doing a no-knock entry to the girl's dorm room, after learning that she'd expressed to chemistry faculty and lab TAs about certain types of explosives AND that significant quantities of some chemicals needed to make said explosives had gone missing from the Chem department's supply room. Upon questioning, she reportedly assured the Secret Service that she wasn't planning to blow up the political figure, just the Dean's Office (she had really done things like this in middle and high school, so it wasn't an idle threat). Shouldn't colleges have access to this kind of info about a prospective student, so they can make a reasonable decision about whether it's safe to have her on campus, in Chemistry labs, living in the dorms, etc.?


26 posted on 02/16/2007 1:35:36 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"However, given the particulars of the young man's run-ins with Utah law as a juvenile, I'm now inclined to blame the courts who didn't heed the huge warnings signs and order serious intervention and supervision (probably including some time confined to an institution) back when it might still have done some good."

Agreed. Unfortunately, if you have all of his relatives saying that he was "such a nice boy" now, even after what he did in that shopping mall, he probably would have had that same group then saying the same thing in court back then.

And these days courts also have to worry about CAIR on their doorstep, screaming "Discrimination!" just because he is a Muslim.

27 posted on 02/16/2007 1:48:22 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: TheKidster
I'd hate to see what they consider a bad guy!

Here he is.

28 posted on 02/16/2007 1:52:50 PM PST by DonGrafico (Gowd demmit bub! You ain't from around heah ah ya?)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

If, indeed, his history in Bosnia is a big part of how he got so messed up, we need to rethink our asylum and refugee policies about letting people with this kind of history come into our country for "humanitarian" reasons.We are now talking about bringing in 70,000 traumatized Iraquis. How many Americans will they kill? And, yes, we need to rethink the whole rationale for keeping juvenile records sealed and destroying them once the offender reaches 18.


29 posted on 02/16/2007 2:12:22 PM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: DonGrafico

The guy in the picture, they have no clue as to how bad He can be. Right before He comes back to claim His Kingship of the world, Israel will be surrounded by many armies. Guess Who wins?


30 posted on 02/16/2007 2:14:27 PM PST by huldah1776 (Worthy is the Lamb.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

We need to seriously re-think the whole policy of keeping juvenile records sealed.


I agree with you 1000%. It is one thing to seal the record of a 'youthful indiscretion" like shoplifting or stealing a bike, but any violence toward another person should be in an open record. As I understand the current situation, a student can get transferred from one school to another for a violent act, and the new principal is not allowed to know about the reason for the transfer.


31 posted on 02/16/2007 2:25:24 PM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: DonGrafico

Well, if the Bosnians have the same mission as the Albanians, we are in trouble!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786161/posts?page=6#6 ..."But the Albanians have a particularly aggressive attitude. On the basis of phone calls that we have intercepted, we have discovered that the drugs are not only a source of wealth but also a tool in the struggle to weaken Christendom."


32 posted on 02/16/2007 2:26:05 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: boomop1

If the MSM admitted that there was a real threat from Islamists, they would have to admit that the WOT was a legitimate war and that Nancy Pelosi is not the person to direct that war.


33 posted on 02/16/2007 2:31:49 PM PST by Eva
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To: Bokababe

Why did our government import this creep to this country? So we would have more terrorist acts and become more dependent on Big Brother?


34 posted on 02/16/2007 2:37:51 PM PST by Dante3
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To: TexasCajun
Lynn Cheney needs to bitch-slap Wolf Blitzer once again!

BUMP to that !

35 posted on 02/16/2007 4:05:11 PM PST by happygrl
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To: 3AngelaD

Most legitimate refugees don't cause any trouble and many make a huge contribution to our society. But I do think they should be subject to some systematic supervision for the first few years. Letting people in who have been subjected to serious psychological trauma (and often physical too), and just turning them loose with the right to refuse any intervention or supervision is risky for us and for them. People who are already suffering from PTSD and similar mental ills, who are then suddenly thrust into a totally unfamiliar culture where they don't speak the language well, are certainly at very serious risk .


36 posted on 02/16/2007 7:54:10 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: bkepley

It's the "he was an honor student" routine..


37 posted on 02/17/2007 1:29:56 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I don't know about making a huge contribution, other than Einstein. Asylees and refugees are immediately signed up for welfare and receive food stamps, subsidized housing, free medical care and all the other entitlements on offer here.They are also allowed to bring in all of their relatives, and sign them up for welfare as well, the elderly ones getting SSI despite never having contributed a dime to the Social Security system. One study I read showed that more than 60 percent of them are still on some kind of public assistance five years after they've arrived. I don't think we should keep on taking in the dregs of the world.


38 posted on 02/17/2007 8:02:29 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: Bokababe

Motive: He was Muslim.

That is sufficient cause for indiscriminate killing of Americans, according to the most prominent imams.


39 posted on 02/17/2007 9:48:52 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: 3AngelaD

Just because a lot of them do that doesn't mean they all do. I was a fast food manager in Virginia in the early 1980s when thousands of Asian refugees were arriving in the area. They were exceptionally hard and responsible workers. I'm sure many were on some kind of public assistance for a while, but I'm also sure they didn't stay on it long.

One kid I had working for me had been 15 or 16 when he arrived from Vietnam with his much younger brother. Their parents were dead. At the beginning the boys had been living with some unrelated adult Vietnamese refugees who were receiving some public assistance for providing a home for the boys. At the time I hired the kid, he was going to high school part time in a vocational prep program, working full time in a nursing home's food service area, and took a part time job at my restaurant when he was about to turn 18, because he was about to lose his public assistance eligibility due to his age, and if he couldn't show that he could support his little brother, they were going to be separated. He did what he had to do -- took on the additional job for a total of 60 hours a week, continued to go to high school, took legal custody of his younger brother, and began paying rent to the adults they were living with (with an adult legal guardian, the younger boy was no longer eligible for assistance either). Having kids like this around was beneficial to our society even in the very short run, as they were working side by side with some spoiled suburban native-born Americans, who got a dose of perspective that they sorely needed. And I'm absolutely sure this boy and his brother grew up to be very productive citizens.

This was just one example -- there were many more with the same kind of responsibility and work ethic.

We need to be more selective about who we let in, but also need to think through the support systems needed for particular individuals and groups, and retain the right to force refugees into appropriate intervention programs when the need is evident. Right now they're treated like US citizens with the whole raft of Constitutional rights from the minute they set foot on our soil. We have a similarly stupid habit of applying full Constitutional rights to native-born minors, who can refuse to have their lockers and bookbags searched in drug and weapon-infested public high schools (some years back, in a California high school, this resulted in removal of lockers and a ban on bookbags, to which students responded by ceasing to have any books at school -- problem solved! everyone's got their Constitutional rights! -- except the taxpayers who are forced to shell out $20,000/year/student to run these schools where nobody's learning anything).

Some of our problems with refugees are our own fault, not theirs. THEY didn't vote in politicians who created all these hand-out programs. But once they've come here legally, and are having all this stuff thrown at them, even the most responsible ones are likely to take it, to divert resources that they're being told they have a "right" to, to their children and as many relatives as they're allowed to bring over. I expect you and I would do the same thing in their position. How do you tell your elderly parents back in some third world hell-hole, starving and dodging armed extremists every day, that you are allowed to bring them over here and sign them up for a free apartment, food stamps, medical care, etc., but you're not going to because you think it's not fair to the American taxpayers? We have only ourselves to blame that they've been put in that position.


40 posted on 02/17/2007 10:59:46 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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