Posted on 02/16/2007 6:42:49 PM PST by davidgumpert
David Hochstetler is the Indiana Amish farmer at the center of a government campaign against cow share owners in Michigan. The federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has just sent him a warning letter against sending his milk into Michigan or Illinois in violation of "interstate commerce." He expresses his sense of anguish about the government's move, including his worries about not being able to pass the farm on to his son and not being able to provide a powerful natural food to consumers desperate for it.
Good Lord all Mighty, picking on the Amish is low. I bet there are a lot of people who think they have it coming because they're "Jesus Freaks".
So what prevents this farmer from having his clients from coming and picking up their own milk? That's what is behind the idea of conscription farming.
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The federal milk mafia at work again......
Not only are we concerned about the government's continued encroachment into private and personal lives, as our former country slips into socialism and one world government. But we are considering taking a cow share in order to get the raw milk I grew up on. No way can we handle up to ten gallons a day of cow milk. There are only two of us! The current administration is as worthless as the Democrats in supporting individual freedom that once characterized our once-great country. David Hochstetler's problem will be our problem if the FDA does not relent on this issue.
He might have a point if he says that the cow's milk, apportioned to the share owners, is the rightful property of the owners.
I vote for telling the FDA to stuff it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1572002/posts
Small dairyman shakes up milk industry
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1414369/posts
Dairy gets squeezed by the feds
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The whole world is going to hell in a handbaskit, and we are worried about the Amish!!!! Should we not be more concerned about the ROP and spend our resources on this problem more so than the Amish and their “milk” problem?
Some states, Indiana for example, have laws that protect the Amish and similar religious minorities. Indiana also allows the sale of non-pasteurized milk products. You might have noticed the Amish cheese stores just inside the Indiana state lines.
Due to persecution in other states there's been a tremendous influx of Amish to Indiana over the last 50 years. This guy is simply trying to sell across a hostile stateline. He'd do better trying to peddle his milk solely within the Indiana market although he'll have substantial Amish competition.
All our food production is moving into a cartel. It isn't just an Amish problem.
I remember a while ago the Amish ran into trouble with the government because they used to apprentice their children at a young age to trades. The government said it was child labor.
If he shipped his milk to Mexico first and then smuggled it in over the border, he'd be kosher with the Bush admin.
This is like sending oil between tank farms by an oil company.
"I vote for telling the FDA to stuff it."
Then you'd be on the receiving end of an FDA SWAT team. We have a BIG boot on our necks.
"All our food production is moving into a cartel. It isn't just an Amish problem."
You mean like Monsanto and Cargill.
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The NIAA squad.
http://breederville.com/auction/forumtopic.php?topic=2&boardid=2
NAIS NIAA Expo - Presentations posted here for downloading
All the dairy farm kids I know that were raised on raw milk and untreated well water are by far and away the healthiest kids I've ever met. The government needs to stop trying so hard to protect us from ourselves and just let people alone. Especially the Amish.
If you're thinking of doing the milk on your own, try goat milk. They're smaller and eat less and don't produce quite so much, although you will still probably have more than you need.
Yes and let's keep the "PEANUT BUTTER" inside Georgia.
"Good Lord all Mighty, picking on the Amish is low."
The Russians killed half a million.
http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/order/nd_sd/vossler2.html
Think of it this way: In this particular area, the Amish are the Canary in the coal mine. Sure there are other things to worry about that are, or seem to be, more pressing at the moment, but government encroachment into our everyday lives is multi-faceted and accelerating.
Everything is interconnected.
I think it would be great of some Amish moved to Alaska to breathe new life into our ailing milk industry. Much of our milk now has to be imported.
He should tell the bureaucrats to "Get Milked!"
FDA has been doing the fall guy lately.
Now I'm sure you know there are laws on the books about selling unpasteurized milk. The FDA is there because it is their job. In short they view this as an attempt to sell unpasteurized milk in violation of the law. I think the Amish gent will lose this one. However, I have nothing against raw milk, drank gallons of it when I was a kid.
Do you know why Anna dumped Jeb? Because he was driving her buggy.
>>> Everything is interconnected. <<<
Yup!
Amish oppose animal ID
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1485362/posts
More reading:
Animal ID Makers in Hog Heaven (long but good)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1574414/posts
All livestock to be registered with state [WI-Yes, fish too] ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1509267/posts
Farm trucks must obtain Federal ID
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489145/posts
National ID cards: REAL ID goes too far
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1487846/posts
bttt!
This is a good suggestion. The big obstacle to pickup at the farm is that the cow share owners are scattered around Michigan, some two hours or more from his farm. That's a long way to drive for a gallon of milk. Maybe the owners need to organize some kind of delivery brigade, and challenge the FDA edict as individuals supporting the farmer. Thank you.
That is exactly what he is saying.
The cow share could work for you, depending on your state and where you are shipping your milk. If it doesn't cross state lines, you could be okay. Check with Weston A. Price Foundation, www.realmilk.com; they follow the state regs.
The problem comes when they send agents to shut down the farm.
Good idea...and the milk is supposedly even healthier than cow's milk, since it is closer to human milk.
We plan on getting two or three Alpine goats for milk and cheese, but are/were looking into the cow share option.
It is just disturbing to see how much the goverment has encroached on individual freedom during my lifetime.
Interesting theory, though I don't think that's what's at work here. I believe the co-op came to this farmer, since he's close to Michigan border and produces high quality milk (very low bacteria counts). Moreover, fact that he's Amish should be incidental to this whole situation. It's about right of anyone to consume the food they want, without government interference.
Key word here is "selling." The co-op argues that this involves distribution of milk to the cow owners--their property. FDA interpreting "interstate commerce" too tightly, to suit their prejudice and determination to rid world of raw milk.
Mark of the beast ping.
Michigan has no reputation at all for being "Amish friendly".
The criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington doesn't recognize an individual's rights in his property.
He has three options -
1) challenge the FDA rule under the federal data quality act.
2) Claim the FDA order violates President Bush's Executive Order 12866 dealing with regulatory authority.
3) hire a good property rights lawyer and sue.
If conservatives got off their lazy butts and took control of local governments, this crap wouldn't be happening. (See America ca 1750-1775 for examples)
Good for you - and - that's the right thinking. If the idea of sales is prohibited, too, you might consider a barter system. A rotated distributor family goes out and works for a specified time to cover milk costs and benefit the farmer. The next time, another family does it's bit and so on.
Raw milk is a touch subject. there is a website called 'realmilk.com a legal help in restoring trying to bring back a what is termed healthful product.
In some states, Raw milk is illegal. Los Angeles County put Stueve's Raw milk, a subsidiary of Altadena out of business. It is a very political hot bed in a lot of areas.
the problem with goat milk is you pick up the odor of the goat.
Otherwise, I rmember my parents picked up some goat milk fudge somewhere in Ohio when I was 10. YUM, is all I have to say. I kept sneaking in to get another piece of the stuff til there was no more.
No you can go to a dairy farm and buy all the raw milk you want, you just cannot ship it across state lines. And the co-op thing is just a gimmick.
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It is just disturbing to see how much the goverment has encroached on individual freedom during my lifetime.
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Hence my tagline. The frog has been in the water for many years and the temperature is high enough that it is obvious to anyone who does not refuse to recognize facts. For decades we have been "defending freedom" all over the world and destroying freedom here at home.
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