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Ten Years After Empire State Terror Attack, the Truth Comes Out
Little Green Footballs ^ | February 18, 2007 | Charles Johnson

Posted on 02/18/2007 9:42:28 AM PST by faq

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To: faq

Yawn -- so what else is new.


81 posted on 02/18/2007 12:57:17 PM PST by Memphis Moe
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To: dervish; Sabramerican
"It's mind-boggling to most people that someone can come in from a foreign country on a visitor's visa and buy a gun in the United States, not just a gun but an automatic weapon, 14 rounds, where you can in four or five seconds get 14 bullets out.''

It's not an automatic weapon.

Though automatic weapons, aka machine guns, are perfectly legal. Get a permit, buy one. Federally, ten or so states ban them.

14 round magazine, sounds ominous, but you are in more danger from someone carrying a wheelgun who can place 5 or 6 shots.

Aliens purchasing firearms. While I recognize they will be able to purchase them illegally, that's just plain stupid. I'd support restricting firearms ownership for non-citizens for a period of years, one, five, whatever, come up with a bill.

But Rudy didn't propose that, he didn't focus on aliens, he focused on gunowners. Legal gunowners, not illegals.

82 posted on 02/18/2007 1:00:49 PM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: areafiftyone

I wanted to make sure you saw this and could send it around to your NY friends, areafiftyone.


83 posted on 02/18/2007 1:03:35 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: DBrow
And as for the timeline, yes, it would take several days to snail a real copy of the letter, but even way back in '97 we had technology that would let us send an image of the letter. The cops would not have sent the actual letter, they'd keep the original for forensics for months.

"Look at this letter we found on the body. Hurry up and send it to this FAX number in Gaza."

84 posted on 02/18/2007 1:09:20 PM PST by wideminded
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To: ConservaTexan

virgins


85 posted on 02/18/2007 1:11:24 PM PST by BJClinton (articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy)
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To: SJackson

You will see at the link that he very much proposed reasonable measures and not a ban on everyone.

In my opinion the criticism of Florida is very valid.

In his own words.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/97a/me970302.html

Unrestricted gun purchase is an impossibility in the practical World in which we live. Sad but true.


86 posted on 02/18/2007 1:14:20 PM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: DocH; Txsleuth; Bahbah; AliVeritas; Contessa1; Neverforget01; defconw; cibco; Fudd Fan; All
I am sure that you see yourself on the "adult" side of the equation...and you proceeded, in your post, to give me nothing but the same tired old tripe that I've been reading from the same brainless ideologues, who don't have the intellect to explain their position, so they have to resort to insulting fellow FReepers and the candidate with whom they so vehemntly disagree.

"...let the adults...", "Rhino-rudy", "BLUEST-of-BLUE left-wing inner-city", "LIBERAL DEMOCRAT or LIBERAL INDEPENDENT"....

what a load of rubbish...

I, for one, will keep my powder dry and wait to decide whom I will support. The scorched-earth, all or nothing ideologues, in their zeal to destroy every candidate without a pristine record on gun control and abortion, will ensure a Democrat Congress and a Democrat in the WH.

That should make them absolutely ecstatic...they can go back to whining and complaining about all things societal while ignoring the enemies who are bent on destroying our great nation.

Not to mention that these "adults" will have, unwittingly, done far more to advance the Left's agenda, than the Left is capable of doing themselves.

87 posted on 02/18/2007 1:16:30 PM PST by sofaman ("The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not.")
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To: DocH

Only took 6 posts to turn this into an anti-Rudy thread. Nice work.

I don't support Rudy enough to argue for him, nor am I anti-Rudy enough to argue against him. But this is getting ridiculous.

Silly me for expecting more from FReepers.


88 posted on 02/18/2007 1:18:52 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MARK LEVIN: CHICKEN SOUP FOR CONSERVATIVE MINDS)
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To: Publius6961
Well, I do believe exactly that. That the government is conspiring to keep certain facts from the American public to prevent panic and a widespread public response.

"Three may keep a Secret, if two of them are dead." - Benjamin Franklin

89 posted on 02/18/2007 1:19:16 PM PST by wideminded
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To: DocH

Who are "the adults"? YOU?

ROFL!


90 posted on 02/18/2007 1:24:02 PM PST by Fudd Fan (MARK LEVIN: CHICKEN SOUP FOR CONSERVATIVE MINDS)
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To: Sabramerican
That's a better statement.

And thanks in part to our stricter gun control laws, crime is down dramatically in New York City. Shootings are down over 50 percent. Murder is down over 50 percent. But the fact is that 90 percent of the guns we take out of the hands of criminals in New York City come from out of the State of New York.

Living near Chicago, which did then has now stricter gun control laws than New York along with the accompanying higher murder rate, I don't buy it. He aggressively enforced the laws, which he deserves credit for. And of course I don't attribute the murder rate in Chicago to stricter laws. Though I think it argues in favor of law abiding citizens having the ability to protect themselves.

I'm OK with Rudy's proposal with corrections.

To purchase a gun in the State of New York you have to give your full name, your date of birth, your residence, your occupation . You have to prove that you're a United States citizen, you have to show you are of good character, competency and integrity. And you have to demonstrate a real need for the weapon.

Good grief, I don't want Rudy or Hillary or Hunter or McCain or anyone else ruling on my ability to own a firearm based on thier judgement of my good character, competency, or "real" need.

If that's his postition, then he needs to propose a 28th amendment.

This is a loser for Rudy, even Hillay's husband knows that. I doubt he'll be the one to bring it up during the campaign.

91 posted on 02/18/2007 1:26:53 PM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: wideminded

"Look at this letter we found on the body. We found his next-of-kin in Gaza, let's send it to them along with a list of his personal effects. We need to contact them anyway, and if we behave in a friendly way, we may learn something."


92 posted on 02/18/2007 1:32:58 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Sabramerican
I should note that while the sound great, driver's license references are bogus. There's no inherent right to own automobiles in the Constitution, though I suspect a creative lawyer could find on in the treatment of horse thieves.
93 posted on 02/18/2007 1:33:04 PM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: SJackson

"good character, competency and integrity"

Rules out those with a criminal record. Rules out the mentally challenged and the underage. Rules out suspected terrorists.

All legal words of art.

Boilerplate for those getting everything from a license to practice law to a license to cut hair.


94 posted on 02/18/2007 1:34:51 PM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: SJackson

The entire Constitution would give the right to own an auto and do with it what you will.

There is a Constitutional prohibition against unreasonable searches and the idea that the Government of the United States could force innocent citizens wishing to travel intrastate to take off their shoes for inspection would be absurd to the Founders.

Yet we must live in the real World.


95 posted on 02/18/2007 1:41:09 PM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: sofaman

There is not one single dem running for president who should be allowed anywhere near the White House.

All of this trashing of Republican candidates that some are interested in or looking at is ridiculous...not to mention tiresome.

The overall quality of people on our side is vastly superior to theirs and I intend to keep that in mind.


96 posted on 02/18/2007 1:47:49 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: MizSterious
Authorities will never admit that anything is a terrorist act until it reaches the point they simply can't lie about it any more.

And then they'll blame it on white American men (or Jooooos), forcing them to do it, because there was no other alternative.

97 posted on 02/18/2007 2:02:13 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Sabramerican
Rules out those with a criminal record. Rules out the mentally challenged and the underage. Rules out suspected terrorists...All legal words of art...Boilerplate for those getting everything from a license to practice law to a license to cut hair.

Then that's what a candidate has to say. Criminal record, insane (I've occasionally posted on the lunacy of revoking gun rights for people who enter drug/alcohol rehab).

Illinois bars concealed carry. Chicago bars handguns. Through the art of legislation, law sounds too legal, alderman can not only own handguns, but carry them concealed. Something to do with upholding peace.

Two shockers.

I'm told concealed carry permits are difficult to obtain in San Francisco. But when there's a need, along with good character, competency and integrity, of all people to carry a concealed weapon.

"Because less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group...I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms...I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."
Senator Dianne Feinstein

Not certain, but I believe she's referencing the Harvey Milk act of terrorism.

Barbara Boxer has a concealed carry permit. I believe her husband was hospitalized in a "bad" neighborhood once. She needed it and kept it.

Needless to say, I don't have the "good character, competency and integrity" of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein or a Chicago alderman.

Rudy has some explaining to do on this and other social issues to get my support. Though i admit it may not matter. Leadership skills, he's the best in the field thus far.

A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
-- Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanlysis (1952)

98 posted on 02/18/2007 2:07:53 PM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: Sabramerican
There is a Constitutional prohibition against unreasonable searches and the idea that the Government of the United States could force innocent citizens wishing to travel intrastate to take off their shoes for inspection would be absurd to the Founders.

Not as absurd as taking my cowboy hat off to get through airport security. It's enough to make me wear a burka on top.

99 posted on 02/18/2007 2:08:58 PM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle, its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: Rodney King; Lancey Howard
The problem is, you can't believe a word half of these people say.

That sums it up nicely.

Not to be nit picky, but I think the ratio is WAAAAAAY out of whack.

To say that you couldn't trust 1/10th the words that 1/10th of these people say, would still be too much credit for their truth telling.

100 posted on 02/18/2007 2:09:18 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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