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Global-warming theory and the eugenics precedent
washington times ^ | 02/19/2007 | milwguy

Posted on 02/19/2007 6:39:16 AM PST by milwguy

Global Warming" had a precursor in capturing the hearts and minds of the world. Michael Crichton, in his novel "State of Fear," brilliantly juxtaposes the world's current political embrace of "global warming" with the popular embrace of the "science" of eugenics a century ago. For nearly 50 years, from the late 1800s through the first half of the 20th century, there grew a common political acceptance by the world's thinkers, political leaders and media elite that the "science" of eugenics was settled science. There were a few lonely voices trying to be heard in the wilderness in opposition to this bogus science, but they were ridiculed or ignored

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: algore; globalwarming
Wonderful, fact filled article debunking the global hot airheads. I just can't understand why so many seemingly smart people buy into Al Gore and fail to realize the 'Inconvenient Truth' is that global warming is the Eugenics of the 21st century. We can only hope it does not take 50 years to debunk this junk science.
1 posted on 02/19/2007 6:39:18 AM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy
Eugenics is bogus science?

So selective breeding doesn't have an effect on phenotype?

Politically correct bullchit.

2 posted on 02/19/2007 6:44:31 AM PST by wizecrakker (Trying to behave)
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To: milwguy

Funny how the opposite of "the elites" thinking has come true - the elites are reproducing less than the lower and middle classes.


3 posted on 02/19/2007 6:46:50 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: wizecrakker

sshhhhhh ! You aren't supposed to notice that part.

The comparison in the article is otherwise correct, however. Any science made into law by the government is usually fulfilling a socialistic/elitist political agenda.


4 posted on 02/19/2007 6:49:14 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: milwguy

bump for later reading


5 posted on 02/19/2007 6:54:06 AM PST by mel
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To: wizecrakker
Just as Global Warming is far more about enabling big and Bigger government, reduced liberty and increased control over free peoples than it is about climate changes, Eugenics was far more about enabling similar destructions of personal rights and liberties than it was about improving the human condition.

Under Global Warming, elites seek to restrict your choice of cars and fuels. Under Eugenics, elites such as those advising the National Socialists in Germany acted to restrict the citizens choice of mates and association. Here in the United States, programs were set up to help minorities and poor people to have fewer children, that is if you count sterilizing black women as "help".

There is plenty of information on this in Google.

Google of "margaret sanger eugenics" yields "about 65,500" hits.

For one example, this one from blackgenocide.org:

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At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South." ...
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from:
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
6 posted on 02/19/2007 6:59:48 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: milwguy
John Linder is a fine man... he has served my State well.

What is funny to me is, there will be some nut ball who will say "OOOhh... He's a congressman. What does he know?"
Completely overlooking AL Gore's total lack of credentials.

I know this because just last night I sited Thomas Sowell and Michael Crichton to know-it-all global warmer after he had spent Ten minutes going on about Gore's movie. He said that these men were not qualified to talk about the environment they were not scientist.
I was forced to rip him a new one.
7 posted on 02/19/2007 7:00:55 AM PST by Taichi
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To: Taichi
He said that these men were not qualified to talk about the environment they were not scientist.

You do know that Michael Crichton went to medical school to become a doctor before he decided to become a writer?

8 posted on 02/19/2007 7:07:27 AM PST by marvlus
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To: milwguy
Climate Audit is a blog run by two reputable Canadian climate scientist who are skeptics. Link below is technical but is about NOAA (U.S. govt. bureaucrats) beginning to fabricate historic temperature data to support global warming theory:

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1142
9 posted on 02/19/2007 7:18:01 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Andrewksu

ping


10 posted on 02/19/2007 7:27:38 AM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: wizecrakker
"Eugenics" was more a political and social movement than a scientific one. I think that's the point being made here.

Read G.K. Chesterton's "Eugenics and other Evils" for a good overview of what was happening in the last quarter of the 19th century and the first quarter of the 20th century. Utterly frightening how eugenics and socialism/collectivism were tied at the hip, just as GW and socialism/collectivism is now.
11 posted on 02/19/2007 7:34:53 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: milwguy

Latest Weather Channel Headline: 02-19-07
ELITES SUCK UP TO GORE'S GLOBAL FLATULENCE!


12 posted on 02/19/2007 7:35:10 AM PST by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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To: milwguy

Forget global warming. Watch the Roy Beck thiteen minute video on immigration and overpopulation in the US. This is REAL science.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=number


13 posted on 02/19/2007 7:37:59 AM PST by jetson
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To: centurion316

Last night Hannity was calling Gore a hypocrite because of his use of airplanes, especially private jets. On came the Dem babes saying that it was OK because he purchased offsets. I thought of the poor schlub farmer we read about recently who is paid 2,000/an to leave his fields fallow by the Chicago carbon exchange. I guess because Gore extorted a lot of money out of Google he is now in some elite category that buys offsets and has to have Mexican peons doing the work he doesn't want to do. Are we still supposed to believe that this self-appointed high and mighty aristocrat is for the little guy? Right!


14 posted on 02/19/2007 7:49:29 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt

Spot-on. Some causes & effects:
1. Gore buys CO2 offsets, farmers take land out of production, crop prices go up.
2. Gore et al influence or pass laws requiring huge amounts of ethanol in our gasoline to reduce dependence on foreign oil. Corn prices double almost overnight.
3. People in impoverished nations are starving because of self-serving elite hypocrites.

Such care and compassion from our liberal friends.


15 posted on 02/19/2007 8:19:46 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I served in the USAF in meterology in the 1970s. Most of the forescasters were officers or high ranking enlisted. Their chances for promotion, and in many cases, retention were based on the overall accuracy of their forecasts. There was huge pressure placed on "techs", those who reported the actual conditions, to fudge temperature readings, cloud cover, rain/snow fall, visibility, etc. to 'make' their forecasts accurate. Thus the forecaster's accuracy was faked and the data inaccurate. Many of my fellow techs would report anything asked of them so long as no hazzards to flight operations existed.

I can only speak for my personal experience, but have every reason to believe the practice was common through out the USAF. I was once 'counseled' by a pair of Lt. Col.'s to adjust my data to 'make' the forecast of our commanding officer. I didn't do it. I was a lowly buck sargeant, but I have a sense of integrity. I served abroad and stateside. The pressures and practices were the same.

It is reasonable to assume that historical data used in climate models is obtained from military sources. With that in mind, it seems reasonable that the data is questionable.
16 posted on 02/19/2007 8:35:14 AM PST by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: Taichi
I was forced to rip him a new one.

I expect he had several already.

17 posted on 02/19/2007 8:48:18 AM PST by nosofar
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Apparently, they are peddling the notion that plowing the soil is a source of C02, so farming is bad and fallow is good. Do you learn junk like this at NYU?


18 posted on 02/19/2007 9:06:02 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Islander7

Thanks, Islander. What you are saying about the military is something I have long suspected of the civilian side of the weather service.


19 posted on 02/19/2007 9:12:52 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: ClaireSolt
Apparently, they are peddling the notion that plowing the soil is a source of C02, so farming is bad and fallow is good.

Actually plowing soil that still has organic matter, humates and all, and leaving it wholly or partially exposed IS a source of carbon dioxide. Leaving fallow is pretty neutral. However turning the land to ruminant grazing, especially rotational grazing does put atmospheric carbon into the soil. So eat pastured beef. lamb. etc. and market forces will lower CO_2 levels. Not what the libs had in mind?

20 posted on 02/19/2007 9:19:20 AM PST by Poincare
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To: milwguy
Discussion of the eugenics movement, by Crichton himself

Why Politicized Science is Dangerous

The theory of eugenics postulated a crisis of the gene pool leading to the deterioration of the human race. [snip]

First, despite the construction of Cold Springs Harbor Laboratory, despite the efforts of universities and the pleadings of lawyers, there was no scientific basis for eugenics. In fact, nobody at that time knew what a gene really was. The movement was able to proceed because it employed vague terms never rigorously defined. "Feeble-mindedness" could mean anything from poverty to illiteracy to epilepsy. Similarly, there was no clear definition of "degenerate" or "unfit."

Second, the eugenics movement was really a social program masquerading as a scientific one. What drove it was concern about immigration and racism and undesirable people moving into one's neighborhood or country. Once again, vague terminology helped conceal what was really going on. The theory of eugenics postulated a crisis of the gene pool leading to the deterioration of the human race.

Third, and most distressing, the scientific establishment in both the United States and Germany did not mount any sustained protest. Quite the contrary.


21 posted on 02/19/2007 9:27:10 AM PST by syriacus (Are MURTHA and OBAMA rabid ANTI-SHI'ITES? They preferred keeping Saddam and his Sunnis in charge.)
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To: syriacus
Global warming

Gabble Warming

Definition: Increase in ambient temperature, which is caused by overly loud and practically endless chatter about the heating of the climate.

NB. This is a self-systaining cycle, which is strengthened when conference-bound chatterers burn fossil fuel.

22 posted on 02/19/2007 9:53:44 AM PST by syriacus (Are MURTHA and OBAMA rabid ANTI-SHI'ITES? They preferred keeping Saddam and his Sunnis in charge.)
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To: Poincare

So we are to live like hunter gatherers while the jet set soars high above us? No thanks. I knew this was a reactionary movement, but this is ridiculous. Next they will be trying to prosecute God for breathing the breath of life into man.


23 posted on 02/19/2007 11:48:50 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: milwguy; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; Mrs. Don-o; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on graphic for full GW rundown




24 posted on 02/19/2007 12:11:27 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: wizecrakker

Eugenics isn't bogus science: applied to human populations by governments and other agencies via coercion, it's bogus morality.


25 posted on 02/19/2007 12:29:52 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: theBuckwheat

I assume your references to "elite" are as a self-defined term rather than some objectively defined group of extraordinary performers as in "elite athletes." As the saying goes, if Al Gore is a member of this so called elite, then it is a club of which I do not want to be a member.


26 posted on 02/19/2007 1:27:53 PM PST by bjc (Check the data!!)
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For later read.


27 posted on 02/19/2007 2:13:20 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: syriacus; xcamel; Mrs. Don-o; DaveLoneRanger; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; gcruse
The oceans typically contain 60 times as much CO2 as the atmosphere. It is also known that colder waters dissolve more CO2 than warm waters.

That's impressive.

28 posted on 02/19/2007 2:16:52 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

"Eugenics isn't bogus science: applied to human populations by governments and other agencies via coercion, it's bogus morality."

It was bogus at the time. DNA wouldn't be discovered for decades.


29 posted on 02/19/2007 2:21:35 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Now accepting tagline donations.)
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To: milwguy

Ping for later read


30 posted on 02/19/2007 2:23:05 PM PST by bcsco
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To: marvlus

I am very aware I pointed out that Crichton in fact held several degrees.

I'm sure a whole lot more than Gore has,


31 posted on 02/19/2007 2:32:12 PM PST by Taichi
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To: Islander7
As a matter of fact not to long ago I read that a lot of the arctic data relied on now was taken by the Navy, some of it as far back as the 1950's.


I'm sure you're probably right.
32 posted on 02/19/2007 2:35:25 PM PST by Taichi
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To: milwguy
....the popular embrace of the "science" of eugenics a century ago. For nearly 50 years, from the late 1800s through the first half of the 20th century, there grew a common political acceptance by the world's thinkers, political leaders and media elite that the "science" of eugenics was settled science.

Is this guy on crack?

Eugenics IS "settled science". It's done every day with everything from HORSES to Wheat. It's just not politically correct to to say it is, or connect it to humans, that's all.

33 posted on 02/19/2007 2:54:13 PM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a 'Right Wing Extremist'.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

They won't starve...they'll die of malaria.


34 posted on 02/19/2007 4:00:33 PM PST by steve8714 ( Someday we will all be Serbs, chased from our homeland by the sweep of Islamic imperialism.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
"[Eugenics] was bogus at the time. DNA wouldn't be discovered for decades."

Knowledge of DNA isn't crucial to selecting and breeding. People have known about that since Jacob and Laban.

35 posted on 02/19/2007 5:12:44 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: steve8714

LOL. Isn't that true. The libs will either starve everybody to fill our fuel tanks because they don't want to drill anywhere in the U.S. for fear of an oil spill or they'll kill all third-worlders with their bans on DDT. They are such compassionate people and they care so much for everybody.


36 posted on 02/19/2007 6:34:29 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: milwguy

37 posted on 02/19/2007 7:57:21 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Rudy, since I don't hunt, will you take away my guns?)
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To: ClaireSolt
So we are to live like hunter gatherers while the jet set soars high above us? No thanks. I knew this was a reactionary movement, but this is ridiculous.

How disappointing. You don't know the difference between hunter-gatherer and pastoral agriculture. There are no wild cattle anymore.

Current agricultural practices are said contribute about 25% of greenhouse gasses, but that does not figure in whether soil organic compounds are burned off by exposure or sequestered by pasturing or no-till methods. One square foot of humate rich topsoil holds enough carbon for five or ten pounds of CO_2

38 posted on 02/20/2007 9:10:09 AM PST by Poincare
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To: Poincare

Maybe you don't see that there is no end to this reactionary lunacy. I do know quite a lot about the livestock industry, as I am from Kansas City. You seem to be fully taken in by this retrograde thinking. Maybe you would like to be a Mid East Bedouin. Not me. I've seen that first hand.


39 posted on 02/20/2007 11:34:59 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Islander7

H. L. Mencken once wrote, "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule it."

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A worthwhile quote from this article.

As well, the following:
" It has been known for years that most CO2 is dissolved in the oceans. It is called "carbon sinking." The oceans typically contain 60 times as much CO2 as the atmosphere. It is also known that colder waters dissolve more CO2 than warm waters. Which do you think is cause and which is effect? We currently have CO2 levels of about 380 ppm. A recent study completed at UC Davis concluded that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere 300 million years ago was on the order of 2,000 ppm. Then this, "the same increase that experts expect by the end of this century as remaining reserves of fossil fuels are burned." If it is a given that human burning of fossil fuels is what will cause an increase of CO2 levels up to 2,000 ppm in the next 93 years, don't they owe us an explanation as to who burned those fossil fuels 300 million years ago? In fact we are being treated to a modern scientific shell game. The most prevalent and efficient greenhouse gas is not CO2; it is water vapor, which accounts for about 60 percent of the heat-trapping gases while CO2 accounts for about 26 percent. So, why are we being served a daily diet of our destroying the environment with our behavior as it relates to CO2? Because our behavior has little to do with the amount of water vapor, so it is a non-starter when it comes to those whose principal goal is ruling our lives."

... is something that everyone needs to become aware of when battling against the global warming alarmists.


40 posted on 02/20/2007 11:47:35 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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