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Mossburg 500(Vanity)

Posted on 02/19/2007 5:40:47 PM PST by Charlespg

Have any Freepers Had experence with useing aftermarket stocks for a mossburg 500a 12ga ? (18 inch barrel)

I have one with the original factory stock but despite a slipon recoil pad it still beats on my shoulder a bit


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1 posted on 02/19/2007 5:40:49 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: Charlespg

Watch out for the minimum overall length requirement for your shotgun. 26" total minimum.


2 posted on 02/19/2007 5:42:53 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Centurion2000

Federal or state law regarding the 26" length.


3 posted on 02/19/2007 5:44:38 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Charlespg

I've used a few but that gun is pretty light and any full power loads are gonna let you know they are there. I've never really tried to dampen that gun up but I would say that if a recoil pad isn't enough you may just have to live with it or use lighter loads for your regular use. If it's for home defense you can always keep your full power loads in it at home.
My mods have been limited to barrel changes, mounts and a few different sights.


4 posted on 02/19/2007 5:47:03 PM PST by Uriah_lost (We've got enough youth, how about a "fountain of smart")
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To: Parley Baer
Try this for short (Serbu Shorty).
5 posted on 02/19/2007 5:50:00 PM PST by umgud (I did not sleep with Anna Nicole)
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To: Centurion2000
I haven't shot a Mossburg. However; it's been my experience, that the lighter the stock material (e.g. synthetic) the more you'll feel the recoil. I have an 870 Express and added a little bit of a buffer pad to the shoulder weld of the stock. Works like a charm.

Good Luck!

6 posted on 02/19/2007 5:50:08 PM PST by Toadman ((molon labe))
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To: Charlespg

Try a synthetic stock, maybe even a Choate w/pistol grip. The synthetic stocks flex a little and seem to help quite a bit with recoil. I fire a 14" Mossberg 500 w/syn stock and it has much less recoil than the old Rem 870 18" wooden stock did. I have to qualify w/slugs and OO buck, so any reduction in recoil is appreciated.


7 posted on 02/19/2007 5:51:06 PM PST by E.Allen
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To: Centurion2000
I have often wondered if we all might be treading on thin ice when discussing such things on this forum. If somebody advocates a non-compliant set-up for a firearm, might one run afoul of our friends in Washington? Might this forum as well?

It seems to me that great care must be exercised in this regard.
8 posted on 02/19/2007 5:51:19 PM PST by gridlock (Isn't it peculiar that matter what the problem, the government's solution is always "more taxes".)
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To: Charlespg

My experience with Mossberg 500 shotguns is that they are lightweight and kick more than most similar shotguns.

I know of nothing that lightens up the recoil to any signficant level.

Then again, farmers around here buy the 500 as a "disposable" shotgun - they use them to shoot blackbirds - and shoot a thousand rounds or so through them and they are worn out... Then again, they are using light loads, so they are not so concerned with recoil.


9 posted on 02/19/2007 5:52:20 PM PST by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: Charlespg

Try Knoxx Specops adjustable stocks. It's an adjustable stock with and without shock suppression. Also if it's for home defense, try another load. I use Hornady TAP 12 ga. buckshot. Low flash. Low recoil.


10 posted on 02/19/2007 5:52:41 PM PST by BigBlueJon (Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas to bed.......Jack Bauer wears George W pajamas.)
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To: Parley Baer
Federal or state law regarding the 26" length.

ATF regulation.

11 posted on 02/19/2007 5:54:10 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Charlespg
Midway pads {pachmayr slip-on - that's what you might have -$11,99].
Pachmayr pre-fit f/Mossberg500 Wood stock {Midway# 628-420] $35;
or check www.brownells. com [search for 'mercury" on that site] for mercury recoil reduction capsules- they are installed into the stock, IIRC. they are $50-S80.
12 posted on 02/19/2007 5:54:35 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Charlespg
I put a pistol foregrip and rear pistol grip on mine once. Hated it.

I just use the good ol' but stock and factory foregrip. It's all you should need for most situations. The special grips do look cool though. :p
13 posted on 02/19/2007 5:54:48 PM PST by KoRn
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To: gridlock
I have often wondered if we all might be treading on thin ice when discussing such things on this forum. If somebody advocates a non-compliant set-up for a firearm, might one run afoul of our friends in Washington? Might this forum as well?

F Troop will throw conspiracy charges at anyone. Kinda like chimps throwing poop to see if it sticks.

14 posted on 02/19/2007 5:55:05 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Charlespg

Get a wooden stock. Remove the butt plate and bore a 3/4 inch hole about 6 inches into it. Fill with molten lead and let cool.

Replace butt plate, add a recoil pad if you wish.

The felt recoil will be greatly reduced. Only use 2 3/4 inch shells, and stay away from anything that says "magnum".


15 posted on 02/19/2007 5:56:04 PM PST by wrench
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To: Charlespg
a slipon recoil pad it still beats on my shoulder a bit

A bit? You must have an iron shoulder. My "Mossburg shoulder" still hasn't fully recovered.

16 posted on 02/19/2007 6:05:29 PM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: gridlock

at least 100 firearm sites out there. Think the guy could do better


17 posted on 02/19/2007 6:06:16 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Charlespg
There are several thing you can do. one Mossberg sells a set of wedges to adjust the stock to where it fits you.I think they were $14.95 for the ones I bought for my 835. as noted you can also put lead in the stock. shot would be better than hot lead as you can pour it out to remove the stock. you can also get a recoil reducer for about $40.00 that slips in the butt stock.
18 posted on 02/19/2007 6:08:02 PM PST by jrd
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To: All
thanks

I will probably go to a local gun smith since it has to be 26 inches or try the hornady rounds
19 posted on 02/19/2007 6:08:54 PM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: Charlespg

I've got a Mossberg 500 with a synthetic stock. I haven't really noticed any substantial recoil with it, but felt recoil is as much subjective as it is a function of the gun's weight and the load you're using.

I haven't fired any magnum loads through it, though. If you're using magnum loads or 00 buckshot, that's way too powerful for home defense. The shot will rip right through drywall and hollow doors and have plenty of velocity left over to kill anyone in the pattern behind your target. A regular 2-3/4 inch shell with #4 buckshot is plenty powerful enough to take out any bad guy, and overpenetration is greatly reduced. And at typical home defense ranges, the pattern won't be much bigger than a couple of inches, even with a short cylinder bore barrel.


20 posted on 02/19/2007 6:11:11 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
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To: Charlespg

Are you shooting 3"? Try 23/4" loads. Up close, a perp won't know the difference.


21 posted on 02/19/2007 6:14:22 PM PST by x1stcav (I always thought he was a Murthaf*cker.)
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To: KoRn

I had a Winchester 1300 with a pistol grip once. The gun looked cool as hell, especially after I put a barrel shroud on it, but I couldn't shoot it for sh!t. I had it out at the range once, trying 3" 00 buckshot in it. It was hotter than the hinges, like it is for at least 6 months out of the year here in Florida, and my hands were very sweaty. I damned near lost the gun when I fired it, it hyperextended my wrist and took a hunk of skin out of the web between my thumb and forefinger.

I sold it shortly after that.


22 posted on 02/19/2007 6:19:10 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (Go Gators! NCAA Football and Basketball Champions!)
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To: x1stcav
Ruby ridge happened because the barrel on a shotgun was one eighth inch too short! The feds turned that into a firing squad killing keds and women. I believe the minimum length of a shotgun barrel is 18" and that's fed law.
You folks need to watch what you say and who you are talking to. In here youare talking to the world.
23 posted on 02/19/2007 6:21:46 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Centurion2000

The Factory Mossberg barrel is 18 1/2". When the 18 1/2" barrel is installed on a Moss 500 with either a Factory rear pitsol grip or any of the numerous after-market pistol grips the overall length of this pump action shotgun is
27 1/2" or 28"'s. Well within the 26"'s allowed.
Hard shooting! But is just the shotgun to carry in a motor
home with its tight quarters.


24 posted on 02/19/2007 6:21:47 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: Charlespg

check out www.knoxx.com for shock absorbing stocks and limbsaver.com for recoil absorbing pads.


25 posted on 02/19/2007 6:23:06 PM PST by ol' hoghead
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To: wrench

Why does the lead ease the recoil? Makes the gun heavier?


26 posted on 02/19/2007 6:24:36 PM PST by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: groanup

Yup. F=MA. For every action there is an equal reaction.


27 posted on 02/19/2007 6:39:38 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: CFC__VRWC
"I had it out at the range once, trying 3" 00 buckshot in it."

LOL!!Holy Sh1t! With a load like that it's amazing no one behind you got hurt by being hit with the gun using grips like that lol. What's funny is when someone like Barbara Boxer sees a shotgun tricked out with those grips and heat shroud, she thinks it should be banned. She believes in banning firearms based on how they look, not knowing a gun outfitted in such a way makes it less combat effective, for me anyway.

28 posted on 02/19/2007 6:39:52 PM PST by KoRn
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To: groanup

Yes, more mass in the gun lessens felt recoil.

Lead is cheaper than murcury recoil reducers, but they both do the same thing. If you use lead shot instead of cast lead, make sure you pack some wadding in tight behind the shot so it doesn't shift under recoil (negating some of its mass).

BTW, the mossburgs (and several other pump shotties) have aluminum receivers to make them lighter in weight.


29 posted on 02/19/2007 6:43:04 PM PST by wrench
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To: oldenuff2no

Mossberg 500's come with 18.5" and 20" barrells, in addition to longer hunting choices. They are factory produced, perfectly legal, and popular as hell. Your rant does not enlighten the poster, nor anyone wishing accurate information about a legal product. Go find another boogy-man to scare folks with.


30 posted on 02/19/2007 6:44:01 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: wrench

Makes sense. Thanks.


31 posted on 02/19/2007 6:49:22 PM PST by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: Charlespg

Make sure that the stock is the right size. If it is too long or too short, it will not make firm contact with your shoulder before you shoot, dramatically increasing perceived recoil.

You might talk to a helpful gun dealer. If memory serves, there are a lot of aftermarket stocks for the Mossberg 500, you should be able to find something that helps.


32 posted on 02/19/2007 7:14:50 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: diogenes ghost

OK, explain this to me, if the ATF requires 26", how can these shorter lengths be legal?


33 posted on 02/19/2007 7:21:21 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Some state allow you to get special licenses for things like short barreled rifles, silencers, and full autos.


34 posted on 02/19/2007 7:38:33 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: umgud

thx for the photo - now going to look for one.


35 posted on 02/19/2007 7:46:17 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Dutch Boy

Actually, the BATF has provisions for licensing short barreled shotguns if legal in your state of residence.

the 26" figure is overall length, but the barrel still has to have a min 18" length in order to be legal without special license (Research NFA for further info).


36 posted on 02/19/2007 7:47:49 PM PST by wrench
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To: ASOC

Go to http://serbu.com/


37 posted on 02/19/2007 7:48:26 PM PST by umgud (I did not sleep with Anna Nicole)
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To: Charlespg

Used to fire a beautiful Mossberg 12 gauge as a kid. Hell of a kick on that thing but man did it put a tight pattern on a target.


38 posted on 02/19/2007 7:48:57 PM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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To: diogenes ghost
Thanks for clearing everything up. I'm only a gunsmith. competitive shooter and retired ranger. My knowledge could not possibly compare to yours. I've had more than one illegal gun come in the front door of a shop. Let me know where to send them so you can help them out.
39 posted on 02/19/2007 7:56:27 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Charlespg

Choate makes a stock with a pretty good sized recoil pad. It also has adjustable spacers. You could also add a little weight by buying the ammo carriers like a SideSaddle that mounts six rounds on the right side of the receiver. They also have slip on ammo carriers that attach to the rear stock.
I'm a fan of Mossberg 500's since they have the safety on the top rear of the receiver and can be modified to chamber Aguila Mini-shells.


40 posted on 02/19/2007 8:07:58 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: umgud

Did that, 675 is not too bad a price.

Now gotta see if legl in AK.


41 posted on 02/19/2007 8:12:05 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: Charlespg

Remington as well as other ammo manufacturers produce reduced power loads, both buckshot and slugs. I've shot a lot of that ammo through my Mossberg 590 A1 and it does reduce felt recoil considerably. For instance, Remington claims a 40% reduction in felt recoil.

A typical full power 12 gauge load has a muzzle velocity of about 1600 feet per second. A reduced load will have a muzzle velocity of about 1200 feet per second. At personal defense distances, the BG will never know the difference.

Some law enforcement agencies also use reduced power rounds so the stuff is considered effective for the intended use plus it is less likely to over penetrate and harm innocent bystanders.

The bottom line, of course, is that a 12 gauge shotgun is a potent firearm and there's only so much you can do to tame the beast.


42 posted on 02/19/2007 8:48:27 PM PST by telebob
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To: Charlespg

I've got a Mossberg 500, 18.5 in barrel, and I've switched out the original stocks for a nylon pistolgrip in the back.

With that gun, it isn't about accuracy. :-)

I also learned the hard way that you *don't* want to shoot 3-in magnums with the pistol grip in place, at least not very many times. I do keep it loaded with 5 shots, set in the following order: 3 #6 2.5in hunting loads, then 2 #00buck/#6shot combo 3in mag.

I figure if I need shots 4 and 5, I won't care by then how much they hurt. And they do hurt. :-)


43 posted on 02/19/2007 8:57:50 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Shooter 2.5

Say... speaking of the safety on the mossberg 500... mine has what I understand is a common problem, and that is a broken thumb switch. Is there a better aftermarket safety switch for that thing?


44 posted on 02/19/2007 9:00:52 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Ramius

Ask and you shall receive...

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=9476&title=MOSSBERG+500+METAL+SAFETY+BUTTON


45 posted on 02/19/2007 9:09:42 PM PST by telebob
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To: Ramius

My Brownells catalog (2004)lists a safety button, military special, metal. $15.94

Regular safety button, plastic. $5.50

Brownells Office/Tech 641 623 5401
Orders 800 741 0015


46 posted on 02/19/2007 9:12:24 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: telebob

Excellent. Thanks!


47 posted on 02/19/2007 9:12:31 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Cold Heart; telebob

Wow... two answers in about ten minutes.

You know... this Internet thing is pretty cool. I'll bet it really catches on. :-)


48 posted on 02/19/2007 9:13:57 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: TaMoDee; groanup; wrench; Charlespg
"Yup. F=MA. For every action there is an equal reaction."

It's the momentum(m*v) that results in recoil. Conservation of momentum means the gun must have the same momentum as the gas and lead lost. The lead carries a loy of momentum, but so does the hot gas. If the gun is heavier, it's speed will be proportionately less.

Chas... if you get a stock that has more of an angle than the original stock, it will reduce felt recoil. The reciever will sit higher when the guns sholdered.

50 posted on 02/19/2007 9:18:38 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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