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State Cracks Down On Those Avoiding Cigarette Tax
ClickonDetroit ^ | February 19, 2007 | AP

Posted on 02/19/2007 7:47:23 PM PST by ShadowDancer

State Cracks Down On Those Avoiding Cigarette Tax

POSTED: 4:52 pm EST February 19, 2007

Buying cigarettes out of state?

If Michigan officials find out about it, they said they'll try to collect state taxes on the tobacco anyway.

More than 9,000 Michigan residents have been ordered to pay back taxes after buying cigarettes without paying the state's $2 tobacco tax and 6 percent use tax.

"I wouldn't have done it if I had known," Janet Jones, 64, of Shiawassee County's Owosso Township, who purchased cigarettes through mail orders from a New York-based company, told The Argus-Press for a story published Saturday.

People who violate the state's Tobacco Products Tax Act can face fines, imprisonment, or both. Individuals found guilty are liable for taxes with interest, plus a penalty of 500 percent of the amount of the tax due.

Jones was ordered to pay about $5,000 for 40 cartons she purchased in 2005 and 2006.

"The Department of Treasury has tried very hard over the past few years to make it very clear that there are no such thing as a tax-free cigarettes -- not legally anyway," spokesman Terry Stanton said.

Unstamped tobacco products are considered contraband, he said.

"If it's on the books as a tax it's our duty to ensure its collected and collect it appropriately," Stanton said.

More than 80 percent of the revenues brought in from the state tobacco tax are split between the School Aid Fund and Medicaid trust fund.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: pufflist

1 posted on 02/19/2007 7:47:25 PM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: ShadowDancer

Tax Nazis on the march again.


2 posted on 02/19/2007 7:50:47 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: ShadowDancer

Michigan is circling the drain.


3 posted on 02/19/2007 7:51:03 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: ShadowDancer

What if someone drives over state lines, buys a trunk full of cigarettes, and then returns home to Michigan?


4 posted on 02/19/2007 7:51:49 PM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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To: ShadowDancer

This has been happening in WA state, as well. I guess the various states have been able to get customer information from online cigarette sellers.


5 posted on 02/19/2007 7:52:39 PM PST by hunter112
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To: Jaysun

If you buy a trunk full of cigarettes,transfer them to another car before returning across state lines.


6 posted on 02/19/2007 7:55:55 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: ShadowDancer

"By the rude bridge that arched the flood, their flag to April's breeze unfurled....."


7 posted on 02/19/2007 7:57:25 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Collecting money at gun point to 'pay for' failing educations and welfare sucking individuals. Yep, I love Michigan.


8 posted on 02/19/2007 7:58:34 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Life is not tried, it is merely survived if you're standing outside the fire.)
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To: Jaysun
What if someone drives over state lines, buys a trunk full of cigarettes, and then returns home to Michigan?

I would say they better pay cash, and not use their credit card for such a transaction. I have heard of cars going into NY from PA being searched.

I live in Texas Taxes, and our cigarettes went up ten bucks a carton on January 1st. I stocked my deep freeze, and I will drive six hours to another state when these run out.

Just on the principle of the thing, I am not going to pay the extra sin taxes that the greedy legislators in Austin enacted.

I guess it was my line in the sand on taxes.

9 posted on 02/19/2007 8:01:22 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: ShadowDancer

"If it's on the books as a tax it's our duty to ensure its collected and collect it appropriately,"




I wonder how the laws concerning illegals are enforced? Think they ENSURE it's carried out?


10 posted on 02/19/2007 8:02:00 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Farmer Dean
Ya know what? I'm a ciggie smoker questing to quit soon, and its not because of 'taxes'. But for all I care, why doesn't the friggin' Gubment just BAN the damn things and then renounce all the tax revenue that is generated from their sale and which goes into the the state/fed coffers?

Obviously they won't do that because tobacco sales is a cash cow for the states/feds.

What a bunch of two-faced hypocrites.

12 posted on 02/19/2007 8:08:47 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: ShadowDancer

Dolts. They should've driven to WI and bought their heaters on the Indian reservations. Once a month, a rotating designated driver could do the run and buy enough smokes for an entire cancer ward.

Of course, I only make this suggestion in jest. We all know that it is very, very important to always do just as the government says in all matters of life and spirit and to diligently and excessively pay every cent of tax any legislator ever dreams of leveling.


13 posted on 02/19/2007 8:10:30 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of too many "R"s.)
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To: ShadowDancer

The solution to all this is to learn to speak Spanish, wear a Dodgers baseball cap and never carry any form of identification on your person.


14 posted on 02/19/2007 8:15:29 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: Jaysun

I would guess without whatever 'stamp' they put on MI cig packs, they would be considered contraband.

I think there's a new cottage industry about to explode: tax stamp makers.


15 posted on 02/19/2007 8:16:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: sockmonkey

This is interesting. Theses states are going to be able to stop and search cars coming back into their states on the presumption people may be smuggling cigarettes back in.

More big brother, another 'excuse' to search your car.


16 posted on 02/19/2007 8:18:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: sockmonkey

This is interesting. Theses states are going to be able to stop and search cars coming back into their states on the presumption people may be smuggling cigarettes back in.

More big brother, another 'excuse' to search your car.


17 posted on 02/19/2007 8:18:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: sockmonkey
$5000! Wow. She could have paid for a nice vacation to the reservation and bought a couple of hundred cartons and smuggled them home.

My father was once caught for buying booze in New Jersey (Philipsburg) and transporting to Easton, PA. He got ticketed. He worked in Pburg and there was a liquor store right at the bridge on the way home. The PA cops watched him go in to the store and drive over and bam! Busted. (The tax was lower in NJ.)

I've been surprised that the Mafia hasn't gotten more involved in selling untaxed smokes, but I guess the Internet buying is a way around the Mob.

I used to smoke, and quit when it was about a dollar a pack for generic. I would surely have gotten involved in illegal buying and transport. Smokes are about 5 dollars a pack now in Cal..

It's a sick tax. I just hope I can find something that only the health nazis love someday so I can tax it to high heaven. I want revenge on them.

You know, if you're poor, smoking might be one of the few consistent and friendly pleasures you might have. It was for me at times. So much for compassionate liberalism. Hammer the poor and make them pay.
18 posted on 02/19/2007 8:22:07 PM PST by johnmark7
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To: Mr_Moonlight
Obviously they won't do that because tobacco sales is a cash cow for the states/feds.

I read somewhere that Ohio has been very effective in getting smokers to quit, due to high tobacco taxes. They're now expecting a series shortfall, due to falling tobacco sales. So, they want to raise taxes (again) on cigarettes.

Mark

19 posted on 02/19/2007 8:26:34 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: traviskicks

ping


20 posted on 02/19/2007 8:28:47 PM PST by KoRn
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To: johnmark7
I remember the first time my father came and visited me in KC from NY. I guess that this was back around 1992. He had never seen a "Wholesale Club," and was AMAZED by the prices on cigarettes. IIRC, there was about a $10 difference in the cost of a single carton. He bought 10 cases of cartons, and we UPS'ed them back to NY!

Mark

21 posted on 02/19/2007 8:30:12 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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Terry Stanton, kiss my flaming a$$...

22 posted on 02/19/2007 8:34:21 PM PST by Outland (Socialism is the enemy and quickly spreading like the cancer it is.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight
"I'm a ciggie smoker questing to quit soon"

When you get ready to quit, give Chantix a try. It's a newer medicine and works great. I have yet to hear of anyone who has used it and failed. I know since it worked for me, it should work for anyone. Best of luck! Even with the great meds, it still has it's moments where you have to focus.

23 posted on 02/19/2007 8:35:06 PM PST by KoRn
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To: johnmark7

Don't for fet the elderly.


24 posted on 02/19/2007 8:48:09 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a keynote speaker at a Wellstone memorial.........!)
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To: justrepublican

Spell checker


25 posted on 02/19/2007 8:48:58 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a keynote speaker at a Wellstone memorial.........!)
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To: ShadowDancer

Interesting that a tariff is imposed between states but not on the flood of goods from foreign shores.


26 posted on 02/19/2007 8:59:03 PM PST by 1_Of_We
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To: Farmer Dean
This seems to be somewhat discriminatory. /s So will the tax police begin to inspect our packages from Amazon and Aunt Sally? From what I understand, All purchases from out of state are taxable. Do the smokers have a class action suit here?
27 posted on 02/19/2007 9:01:27 PM PST by berdie
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To: 1_Of_We

yep


28 posted on 02/19/2007 9:14:09 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Jaysun
What if someone drives over state lines, buys a trunk full of cigarettes, and then returns home to Michigan?

Then it shouldn't be any of Michigan's business, especially if the people paid a cigarette tax in another state. We have to report taxes we SHOULD have paid for items purchased online and weren't charged a tax for...like buying from Amazon.com, not just cigarettes. If we don't want to bother figuring out how much the taxes should have been we Michiganders can just use the standard $40 fee.

Sweet, huh?

29 posted on 02/19/2007 9:24:29 PM PST by madison10
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To: ShadowDancer


...so we can find people who are avoiding cigarette taxes, but we can't find illegal aliens?


30 posted on 02/19/2007 9:24:57 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: confederatetrappedinmidwest

You forgot the other state motto....."Allah Akbar!"


32 posted on 02/19/2007 9:35:40 PM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The solution to all this is to learn to speak Spanish, wear a Dodgers baseball cap and never carry any form of identification on your person.

But it's ok to carry your Bank of America credit card, right?

33 posted on 02/19/2007 9:41:10 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: KoRn

bookmark


34 posted on 02/19/2007 9:54:08 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: ShadowDancer
Thread hi-jack warning alert:

"The Department of Treasury has tried very hard over the past few years to make it very clear that there are no such thing as a tax-free cigarettes -- not legally anyway,"

Neither are illegal immigrants.

Now I feel better.

Please resume normal postings.

35 posted on 02/19/2007 10:13:05 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: sockmonkey
Roll your own.

http://www.ryocigarette.com/?OVRAW=cigarette%20rolling%20machines&OVKEY=cigarette%20rolling%20machine&OVMTC=standard&ysmwa=EtwyleFQPYpp_629iDzxLXxXjhO3mVEP2jFOczXM5C5966biCNGEfFA5PQ0Pv4tq

36 posted on 02/19/2007 10:16:33 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64

A perfect point..well said!!


37 posted on 02/19/2007 10:47:01 PM PST by berdie
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To: johnmark7

Water, specifically bottled water


38 posted on 02/19/2007 10:51:42 PM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Secret Agent Man
Most states, guess on my part, require a signed or verbal release to search a vehicle, a warrant, or probable cause like a dog sniffing the out the weed. Make the run, on a back road, different route every time.
39 posted on 02/20/2007 1:57:38 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: ShadowDancer
"More than 80 percent of the revenues brought in from the state tobacco tax are split between the School Aid Fund and Medicaid trust fund."

And the Stop Smoking programs? Anti-smoking advertising? Stepped-up enforcement of licensed retailers? You know, the things that were promised when you instituted this confiscatory tax?

40 posted on 02/20/2007 5:30:19 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: ShadowDancer

Michigan is a Marxist hellhole run by a communist governor put in office by brainless, brainwashed useful idiots.

Productive people are leaving by the tens of thousands along with thousands of businesses.

Michigan is an example of what will happen to America if the Stalinist Hillary gets into the whitehouse.

Avoid Michigan at all costs.


41 posted on 02/20/2007 6:29:19 AM PST by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: sergeantdave

Been here for almost 38 years, little hard to do that now.


42 posted on 02/20/2007 6:32:45 AM PST by ShadowDancer (Life is not tried, it is merely survived if you're standing outside the fire.)
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To: Cobra64

**Roll your own.**

Exactly.

If you really want to save some money and avoid the outrageous taxes, you can spend 15-20 minutes a day rolling them for a buck a pack.

If you choose the right loose tobacco, they will also taste better than any brand you can buy.


43 posted on 02/20/2007 6:36:58 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: Jaysun
What if someone drives over state lines, buys a trunk full of cigarettes, and then returns home to Michigan?

Washington State confiscates your car.

44 posted on 02/20/2007 6:40:11 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
Washington State confiscates your car.

No kidding? Why hasn't someone taken such a case to the Supreme Court? They don't do that with other products, do they?
45 posted on 02/20/2007 9:16:36 AM PST by Jaysun (I've never paid for sex in my life. And that's really pissed off a lot of prostitutes.)
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To: Nailbiter

Almost perfect except everyone's buying the stuff now.


46 posted on 02/20/2007 2:19:36 PM PST by johnmark7
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To: ShadowDancer

And we're supposed to be protected by the federal constitution against this sort of theft, but who's paying attention to the constitution?

The federal and state governments are already engaged in anarchy, deciding which laws it will or won't enforce. When citizens catch on to the scam and decide they won't obey laws either, we'll see war in this country.


47 posted on 02/20/2007 3:19:41 PM PST by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: johnmark7

All the better, more money for the state.


48 posted on 02/22/2007 10:40:50 PM PST by Nailbiter
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