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Posted on 02/20/2007 5:32:03 AM PST by SJackson
Who is Suhail Kahn and why does Grover Norquist want him on the Board of Directors of the American Conservative Union?
The casual observer might think nothing of the candidacy of a fellow named Suhail Khan for election to one of two open seats on the Board of Directors of the American Conservative Union the political Rights largest and most influential grassroots umbrella organization. Certainly, for most Americans, the mans faith would be of no interest. If the fact that Khan is an adherent to Islam were even known, it probably would be seen as an asset another Muslim-American seeking to become more involved in the political process just like, for example, Rep. Keith Ellison, the Muslim convert who recently won aMinnesota seat in the House of Representatives.
Something else appears to be at work here, however. The tip-off is the fact that anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, who sits on the ACU Board, is promoting Khans candidacy. Even that association, however, could be construed as nothing more than a calculated effort by a skillful conservative operative to insinuate a reliable ally into a useful post as the former struggles to overcome the damage done to his reputation and influence and that of the Republican Party by his scandalous collaboration with convicted felon Jack Abramoff.
Unfortunately, there seems to be another and more insidious motivation for the Khan candidacy one of a piece with a longstanding, if largely hidden, Norquist agenda that I first documented in these pages over three years ago. In a 12,000-word report titled A Troubling Influence, published on December 9, 2003 with a validating introduction by David Horowitz, I described the nature and extent of Norquists involvement in a political influence operation in the service of a number of Mr. Ellisons co-religionists. Most, like Suhail Khan, have troubling ties to individuals and organizations with well-established sympathies for the ideologues known as Islamists. Some of the latter have been directly tied to terrorism.
An Incomplete Resume
How many ACU members will be aware of this background as they cast their votes for the two open Board of Director seats a process that is supposed to be concluded today is unclear. After all, most will probably be voting on the basis of nothing more than the highly sanitized resumé supplied together with the ACUs on-line poll:
SUHAIL A. KHAN
A lifelong conservative activist, Suhail Khan is presently serving as Counselor under U.S. Secretary Mary Peters at the U.S. Department of Transportation where he was awarded the Secretarys Team Award in 2005. Previously Suhail served as Policy Director and Press Secretary for U.S. Congressman Tom Campbell (R-CA) where he worked closely on legislation relating to health antitrust reform, religious freedom, the preservation of the Second Amendment, tort reform, the reform of race-based affirmative action, and the 1998 impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives.
After the 2000 elections, he aided the White House Office of Public Liaison in outreach efforts. In a volunteer capacity, Suhail is an active participant in the Republican National Committees 72-hour program and has been deployed to key races in states including Colorado, Washington, Iowa, Louisiana, Virginia, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Born in Boulder, Colorado, to parents who emigrated to Wyoming and Colorado from southern India, Suhail grew up in California and earned his B.A. in political science from University of California at Berkeley in 1991 and his J.D. from University of Iowa in 1995.
Khans Other Credentials
The foregoing account of Suhail Khans personal history omits a number of details that ACU members and, more importantly, the rest of us should know. Khan has contested the thrust of the following, inconvenient details about his familys Islamist connections. He has denounced those like me who have called attention to them.
Khan has tried with some success to secure retractions from publications that ran articles referring to unsettling aspects of his background and associations but without providing the evidence that they are wrong. When A Troubling Influence appeared three years ago, David Horowitz offered Norquist and Kahn an opportunity to respond. Norquist, a first seemed ready to respond, then begged off saying he had a revolution to run and no time for such matters. Suhail Kahn submitted a letter challenging the specific claims in my article which were most damning that his father, as head of a Wahabbi mosque in California, had hosted Osama bin Ladens number two man, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and raised money for him, and that as a member of the White House staff a position Norquist engineered for him he had authorized radical Islamists to meet with President Bush. Kahns denials were submitted to me and I rebutted them. But when Kahn was invited to respond, he went silent. Then, three years later, he challenged the same points when I repeated them in an article for Frontpage.
In other words, for three years Suhail Khan has attempted to challenge the information I supplied in 2003 but without actually refuting it. For the record, and as a public service in particular to members of the American Conservative Union, I reprise here the most troubling parts of the Khan clan background:
The Khan family did not simply settle into its adopted country after emigrating from southern India. Over their years in the United States, the parents and to some degree their eldest son, Suhail, played prominent roles in several organizations associated with the Wahhabi strain of Islamism a particularly virulent ideology that has this country in its cross-hairs.
Suhail Khans father was the late Mahboob Khan, a PhD in solid-state physics. His biography claims that he helped establish the Muslim Student Association (MSA) while a student in Boulder (presumably, this refers to the MSA chapter at the university as the parent organization was established in 1963). The MSA is present on scores of American campuses and serves to recruit, proselytize and indoctrinate on behalf of Saudi-backed Islamists. It is pro-Hamas the MSA at UC Irvine even demanded that its members be allowed to wear Hamas armbands at graduation and openly sympathizes with terrorists. Dr. Khan held the post of MSA vice president and Western Zone representative.
The elder Khan also served as member of Majlis aShura (the governing council) of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), which was created by the Muslim Student Association (MSA) in 1977 to promote the Islamist agenda among Muslims and the general population. Another MSA arm is the North American Islamic Trust, the Saudis vehicle for providing the financing of, by some estimates, as many as 80% of the mosques in America. That financing, and the control arising from holding title for the mosques real estate, affords the Saudis and their proxies the ability to determine: who will serve as imams in their American mosques; what materials are distributed to the congregations and taught in the madrassas (mosque schools); to what purpose are the members obligatory tithes applied; which congregants will be eligible to make the haj pilgrimage to Mecca; etc.
Mahboob Khan founded one such mosque after he moved the family from Colorado to southern California in 1975. The mosque, together with an Islamic center and an elementary school, comprises the Islamic Society of Orange County (ISOC), of which Dr. Khan served as president before moving on to San Jose in 1980.
The Islamist character of the ISOC was evident in a visit there in December 1992, by Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman better known as the Blind Sheikh, who was later convicted in connection with the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. On the occasion of his fundraising visit to Orange County, Rahman dismissed nonviolent definitions of jihad as weak. He stressed that a number of unspecified enemies had united themselves against Muslims and that fighting them was obligatory. If you are not going to the jihad, then you are neglecting the rules of Allah.
The Blind Sheikh's remarks were translated by Dr. Khans successor as the ISOC's director: a fellow Indian expatriate and former president of the Islamic Society of North America, Imam Muzammil Siddiqi. Press reports credit Siddiqi with converting American jihadi Adam Gadahn to Islam. Gadahn now sports the nom de guerre Azzam the American and serves as a kind of Tokyo Rose for al Qaeda, producing propaganda videos in which he glories in the prospect of slitting the throats of infidels. (More on Siddiqi in a moment.)
After Dr. Khan relocated to the San Francisco Bay area, he established in 1983 the Muslim Community Association (MCA), whose Board he chaired. The MCA, which declares its affiliation with the Islamic Society of North America, is made up of not one but two mosques, a cultural center and an elementary school. According to the FBI, one of these institutions the Masjid An-Noor Mosque was the site of two fund-raising trips on behalf of the radical Islamist terror group known as Islamic Jihad. The solicitation was made by the man who is now Osama bin Ladens Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who reportedly met with the leaders of the An-Noor mosque in Santa Clara. If such a meeting did indeed occur, Dr. Khan would presumably have been among the participating MCA leaders, as he did not pass away until April 1999.
Suhail Khans upbringing must have been further shaped by his mother, Malika Khan, who has her own troubling associations with pro-Islamist organizations. She was a founding member and served on the Board of the Muslim Community Association. She also has been a Board member of the California chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
The man who successfully put Sheikh Rahman behind bars, Andrew McCarthy, has noted that CAIR was birthed by a Hamas creation: the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP).  IAP was started by high-ranking Hamas operative Mousa Mohammed Abu Marzook, who is wanted on federal terrorism charges. In addition, McCarthy reports that CAIRs founder and executive director, Nihad Awad was a high-ranking IAP officer. The former federal prosecutor also observes that the Hamas/IAP tie is so incestuous that in 2004 a federal judge found the IAP liable for Hamas terrorist murder of an American citizen in Israel. Finally, four of CAIRs executives have been successfully prosecuted on terrorism-related charges.
In light of all this, even liberal Democrats have taken to distancing themselves from CAIR. New York Democratic Senator Charles Schumer has said of CAIR, we know [it] has ties to terrorism. The Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin has noted that the organization is unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations with groups that are suspect. And most recently, California Democrat Barbara Boxer rescinded a certificate of accomplishment given to the executive director of Mrs. Khans chapter of CAIR in Sacramento, Basim Elkarra. According to Newsweek, Boxers press spokeswoman said the Senator expressed concern about some past statements and actions by the group, as well as assertions by some law enforcement officials that it gives aid to international terrorist groups.
Khan, Troubling in His Own Right
Given Suhail Khans family background, it is hardly surprising that he, too, has spent a considerable amount of time associating with the sorts of organizations favored by his parents. According to a December 2003 press release issued by the Islamic Society of North America, he served on one its committees. He has repeatedly been a featured speaker at MSA, ISNA and CAIR events, as well as those of other problematic groups, including the California-based Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) and the Islamic Institute (II, also known as the Islamic Free Market Institute or IFMI). For example, Khan spoke most recently at an II meeting in December 2006.
The Islamic Institute was established by Grover Norquist in 1998 with $20,000 in seed money from Abdurahman Alamoudi (who is currently serving a 23-year federal sentence for terrorism-related activities). II is the principal vehicle for the Islamists influence operation aimed at the Bush Administration and Republican and conservative circles. Norquist was its founding president; Alamoudis long-time deputy, Khalid Saffuri, was its first executive director; and IIs offices continue to be housed in the downtown Washington office suite rented by Norquists Americans for Tax Reform.
In fact, Grover Norquist is the Islamic Institutes chief enabler. As Arab-American pollster, John Zogby, put it to the New Republic in November 2001, [Grover]s played the role of interlocutor. With all respect, many of the leaders [of the Muslim-American community] are immigrants and dont have years and years of experience. Grover has filled that void. He went on to say that absolutely, [Grover is] central to the White House outreach.
As detailed at length in A Troubling Influence, Norquist has for years used his weekly Washington Wednesday Group meetings of what he calls the Center-Right Coalition to promote Saffuri, Khan and others associated with the Islamic Institute team as movement conservatives, or at least as reliable allies. Saffuri and Khan are routinely accorded privileged seating at these events. On occasion, in Norquists absence, Khan has actually chaired the meeting a private-sector role of political activism during business hours that seems unlikely to be consistent with the guidelines for conduct of his day-job with the federal government.
If Suhail Khan is useful to Norquist today, he was incalculably valuable in his previous capacity. Prior to becoming a political appointee in the Transportation Departments Federal Highway Administration (where he reportedly has access to highly sensitive information about the movement of military convoys and nuclear and other hazardous materials and contingency plans), Khan was responsible not just for outreach in the White House Public Liaison Office (as his sanitized ACU resume puts it); he oversaw Muslim outreach. Presumably, that had something to do with why when a White House access list of Muslims to be invited to meetings in the presidential complex was prepared, it actually had Norquist at its top.
Interestingly, most of the others on that list were drawn from the various Saudi-funded, pro-Islamist and generally anti-American groups that purport to comprise the so-called Muslim-American leadership. People now serving hard time like Abdurahman Alamoudi and Sami al-Arian were at various points among those Khan, Norquist and Saffuri considered appropriate for courting by the Bush team. Others were individuals, like Jamal Barzinji, a board member of several Islamist-sympathizing organizations that were raided and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of fundraising for terrorists.
A Case Study: Siddiqi
Another on that list was the Khans old family friend, Muzammil Siddiqi, even though he had a documented record of pro-jihadist remarks (including some made during a March 2000 rally outside the White House) and ominous associations. Siddiqi was nonetheless allowed after September 11, 2001, to have a private meeting with the President, at which he presented the latter with a Koran.
Worse yet, this imam was selected for the high honor of representing his faith three days after 9/11 at an ecumenical prayer service held at the National Cathedral. Not surprisingly, his remarks to the distinguished audience were a grave disappointment. As Charles Krauthammer caustically observed afterwards, Siddiqi could not even bring himself to condemn the terrorists.
It almost turned out very differently. Siddiqi was running late in getting to the National Cathedral and for a few moments, another Muslim cleric Sheikh Hisham Khabbani was mistaken for the imam from Southern California and ushered into the holding area for speakers, only to be sent packing when Siddiqi arrived.
If only the head of the peaceable, pro-American and law-abiding Sufi sect in North America had been given a chance to speak, instead of the radical imam based in Orange County, several things would surely have happened. For one, it is certain that the terrorists would have been searingly condemned for their actions.
Sheikh Kabbani would also have unambiguously denounced the ideology, organizations and nations that animate and support Islamofascist terrorism. We know this because both points were features of the forceful presentation made when he appeared at the Secretary of States Open Forum in 1999, a chillingly prescient forecast of the mayhem our common, Islamist foes seek to inflict.
In fact, the very course of the war may have been different had Sheikh Khabbani been given the sort of access to President Bush and the American people which Suhail Khan and his friends generally denied the Sufi leader but were only too happy to provide to the likes of Muzammil Siddiqi.
Sheikh Kabbanis religious authority would have helped the United States rebut the charge that it was attacking all of Islam when it sought to counter and defeat the Islamists. The President would have had the latitude to be clear and direct about the threat, not encouraged to use euphemisms such as the war on terror out of a misplaced fear of giving offense to truly peaceable Muslims. We now know that such euphemisms have merely served to confuse the American people and made it far more difficult to develop, and sustain popular support for, the counter-ideological warfare our actual Islamofascist enemies require.
The Bottom Line
It is hard fully to calculate the magnitude of the damage done by the pro-Islamist influence operation run by Grover Norquist and his friends. Law enforcement agencies have been forced to receive sensitivity training from the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Norquist has lent conservative political cover to those who would weaken our counter-terrorism authorities and techniques. He has helped place into positions of trust and official responsibility people whose often-undisclosed past associations at least raise questions about their reliability.
In short, thanks in part to the Norquist operation, Americas enemies have been emboldened. And the United States is at considerably greater risk.
It is time, once and for all, for conservatives to take a hard look at what Norquist and his associates have been doing in the guise of Muslim outreach. A good place to start would be for the membership of the American Conservative Union to reject the "Khan job" being perpetrated by Norquists influence operation.
 See Steven Schwartz, The Muslim Student Association: A Wahhabi Front, Frontpage Magazine.
 See the Center for Religious Freedom (then at Freedom House), Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques, January 28, 2005. Texts distributed to U.S. mosques by the Saudi embassy included such passages as: To be true Muslims, we must prepare and be ready for jihad in Allah's way. It is the duty of the citizen and the government.
 See a study by the Center for Religious Freedom concerning Saudi textbooks being used in American and other Saudi-funded madrassas including such passages as: Jews and the Christians are enemies of the [Muslim] believers and that the clash between the two realms is perpetual and that the spread of Islam through jihad is a religious duty.
 See Azzam the American, by Raffi Khatchadourian.
 Top Bin Laden Aide Toured the State, San Francisco Chronicle, October 11, 2001.
 A San Jose Mercury News article published in 1996 makes clear that Mahboob Khan was at that time the chairman of the Muslim Community Association. (Islamic School Battle Continues Impasse: Santa Clara Factions Argue over Industrial Site Used by Religious Center, Tom Schmitz, San Jose Mercury News, January 29, 1996.)
 See Andrew McCarthy, Singing CAIRs Tune, on Your Dime, National Review Online.
 For a comprehensive assessment of CAIRs history, goals and modus operandi, see CAIR: Islamists Fooling the Establishment, by Daniel Pipes and Sharon Chadha Middle East Quarterly, Spring 2006.
 FDCH Political Transcript, September 10, 2003.
 Bad CAIR Day: Ex-Staffer Pleads Guilty to Terror Charges, Senate asks Questions on 9/11 Anniversary, Center for Security Policy.
 McCarthy, op.cit.
 Curiously, a number of Islamist organization web pages that refer to Suhail Khan and his family are no longer operational. A tantalizing excerpt from this December 24, 2003, item remains cached, however: Unable to attend [an ISNA function] was new committee member Suhail Khan of Washington, D.C. (Emphasis added.)
Perhaps the disappearance of such documents amounts to a coincidence. Yet, we know for a fact that Khan has lately been demanding that certain publications expunge documents that he seems to feel are inconvenient to his political ambitions. (Emphasis added.)
 See Gaffney, op.cit.
 See Debbie Schlussel, Jihad on Foxs 24, Frontpage Magazine.
 Kenneth Timmerman reported in Insight Magazine (Pipes Objects to Fox in the Henhouse," Insight, March 19, 2004) that, During an anti-Israel rally outside the White House on Oct. 28, 2000, Siddiqi openly threatened the United States with violence if it continued its support of Israel. America has to learn ... if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come. Please, all Americans. Do you remember that? ... If you continue doing injustice, and tolerate injustice, the wrath of God will come. Timmerman went on to note: Siddiqi also has called for a wider application of sharia law in the United States, and in a 1995 speech praised suicide bombers. Those who die on the part of justice are alive, and their place is with the Lord, and they receive the highest position, because this is the highest honor, he was quoted as saying by the Kansas City Star on Jan. 28, 1995.
 Charles Krauthammer, The Silent Imams, At the solemn National Cathedral ceremony just three days after Sept. 11, the spokesman for the American Muslim community made no statement declaring the attacks contrary to Islam. There was no casting out of those who committed the crime. There was no fatwa against suicide murder. Instead, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, spiritual leader of the Islamic Society of North America, offered that to those that lay the plots of evil, for them is a terrible penalty. Who are these plotters of evil receiving retribution? Did he mean the terrorists? Or did he mean that America had it coming? He never said.
 See Provocative Moderate: a Conversation with Sheikh Hesham Kabbani," San Jose Mercury News.
I don't like or trust Norquist...
Every voting member of the ACU should be sent a copy of this before their election.
I think Frank Gaffney overstates things here....
"In fact, the very course of the war may have been different had Sheikh Khabbani been given the sort of access to President Bush"
I don't think Siddiqi shaped the course of the war.
btw - I've posted threads and referenced Sheikh Khabbani a number of times in the past, including the 1999 presentation referred to in the article - Recommended reading for every FReeper.
I know he's met with Pres. Bush and he IS THE muslim leader who should have the President's ear. IMO
It is time, once and for all, for conservatives to take a hard look at what Norquist and his associates have been doing in the guise of Muslim outreach. A good place to start would be for the membership of the American Conservative Union to reject the "Khan job" being perpetrated by Norquists influence operation.
You will want to read this report.
I've been speaking out against Grover Norquist, and his associates, for a number of years.
Got slammed for it by the "I can't believe it he's a Republican" crowd...
I love vindication.
Gaffney has a very personal axe to grind with Norquist and has had for many years -- something he fails to mention at any point in this piece.
It is not neutral journalism nor is it competent investigative reporting. This screed offers no proof -- only innuendo, using safe words like "reportedly," "seemingly" and "if true." These are notorious modifiers signifying that the writer wants to make an assertion they do not have the facts to back up -- but its just too important to the story to let go.
Indeed, Gaffeny goes so far as to site an opinion writer offering an opinion about Khan's duties at the DOT as proof of the fact of an allegation he is making.
For example, I could say "A well known Freeper he, according to at least one source who wishes to remain nameless, likes to take chickens to bed with him" and be well within my rights under U.S. law. I blacken your name without actually doing so because I am quoting an unnamed source and not doing so in the context of knowing the statement to be factually accurate. (P.S. -- For purposes of clarification, I am in fact suggesting no such thing about Milford421 or anyone else on Free Republic.... I am merely stating an example.)
An article of this type would never stand up against the libel laws in Britain (which I mention only because a libel charge is virtually impossible to sustain in the U.S. courts thanks to Times v. Sullivan).
Vindication? Hardly. Rumormongering, almost certainly.
It most certainly is vindication.
As evidenced by your comment, "It is not neutral journalism nor is it competent investigative reporting. This screed offers no proof -- only innuendo, using safe words like "reportedly," it is clear that you have NOT read the articles, nor have you researched the matter on your own.
There most certainly IS evidence to support Mr. Gaffney's assertions.
Opinion writer? Hardly. You need to do your homework. Gaffney has been right on Norquist.
I have read the articles and I have researched the matter on my own. There is no evidence to support the allegation that Mr. Khan or Mr. Norquist are terrorist sympathizers or terrorists themselves... or Mr. Gaffney would have produced it.
Norquist engaged in an effort to bring observant Muslims into the conservative coalition. No more, no less. And I, for one, do not have a problem with that. Mr. Gaffney has bismirched Mr. Khan, his family, and several other current and former Bush administration appointees through smear and innuendo for no reason other than they are Muslims. QED. And that's shameful.
And, by the way, what proof has been offered and what, exactly, has been proven?
We posted a retraction from Investor's Business Daily a couple of days ago and expressed the belief that it was less than a full retraction. It appears that someone out there agreed with us. So Investor's Business Daily published a more direct one yesterday:
We received a demand to clarify our retraction in the July 26 edition of Investor's Business Daily concerning the editorial titled "Mineta's Welcome Exit, Stage Left" that ran June 28. We do so as follows: It was erroneous to say that Suhail Khan or the mosque or its parishioners are "hard-line Wahhabi." It also was erroneous to say that any money was raised by the mosque or that funds were used to purchase satellite phones.
What is shameful is that you've failed to see the facts in this case.
"And, by the way, what proof has been offered and what, exactly, has been proven?"
This. (From the article you supposedly read)
"Grovers own Islamic Institute was initially financed by one of the most notorious of these operatives, Abdurahman Alamoudi, a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah who told the Annual Convention of the Islamic Association of Palestine in 1996, If we are outside this country we can say Oh, Allah destroy America. But once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it.
Fact: "Grover appointed Alamoudis deputy, Khaled Saffuri to head his own organization. Together they gained access to the White House for Alamoudi and Sami al-Arian and others with similar agendas who used their cachet to spread Islamist influence to the American military and the prison system and the universities and the political arena with untold consequences for the nation."
Fact: Alamoudi is in jail now, as is al-Arian...terror charges.
If you read the article in its entirety, along with the linked articles, you would agree that: "On the basis of the evidence assembled here, it seems beyond dispute that Grover Norquist has formed alliances with prominent Islamic radicals who have ties to the Saudis and to Libya and to Palestine Islamic Jihad, and who are now under indictment by U.S. authorities. Equally troubling is that the arrests of these individuals and their exposure as agents of terrorism have not resulted in noticeable second thoughts on Grovers part or any meaningful effort to dissociate himself from his unsavory friends."
Fact: "The investment began when Alamoudi wrote two personal checks (a $10,000 loan and what appears to be a $10,000 gift) to help found Norquists Islamic Institute.9 In addition, Alamoudi made payments in 2000 and 2001 totaling $50,000 to Janus-Merritt Strategies, a lobbying firm with which Norquist was associated at the time."
"The fact remains that: "Hence, in addition to the seed money from Alamoudi, the Islamic Institute has also received funding from organizations described by the Washington Post as a secretive group of tightly connected Muslim charities, think tanks and businesses based in Northern Virginia [and] used to funnel millions of dollars to terrorists and launder millions more a number of whom are currently part of the largest federal investigation of terrorism financing in the world."
This is important PDR: " while Grover has denied the charges or sought to dismiss them with such arguments on many occasions, he has never answered them."
No, he hasn't. He can't refute the evidence. Smear job? No, more like caught in the act.
Fact: Americans for Tax Reform shared office space with Norquist's Islamic Insitute.
"No one reading this document to its bitter end will confuse its claims and confirming evidence with those of a political cat fight."
Except you, PDR. Of course, when it behooves ones' purpose it is always easier to ignore and deny...but the facts contradict the denials.
"Norquist engaged in an effort to bring observant Muslims into the conservative coalition. No more, no less."
You must be joking...could you really be so ignorant? AMC, ISNA, CAIR, MPAC, AMA....do you realize what and who these groups are?!!!! You really do need to do your homework...
Unless, of course, you sympathize with the radical muslim agenda.
To all of the facts you offer up I say, "So what?" As I recall, Alamoudi's moneyw as returned to him... I see no proof that any of the people you site received access to anything because of Norquist or Khan's influence... As to the lack of refutation, how does one prove a negative? Its all sound and fury signifying nothing... show me the quid pro quo.
Just because Gaffney says "it seems beyond dispute" doesn't mean anything is beyond dispute.
You see no proof? You ignore the proof.
"To all of the facts you offer up I say, "So what?"
Yep, that pretty much says it all. Thanks for clarifying.
"I see no proof that any of the people you site received access to anything because of Norquist or Khan's influence..."
It's been meticulously documented in the articles and links. Putting your fingers in your ears and screaming is not a debating technique on these boards.
In your world, ignorance is bliss...
"As to the lack of refutation, how does one prove a negative?"
It isn't a negative. Of course, if the information really was wrong, Norquist certainly would have filed a libel suit...he has the means.
He hasn't. He can't, of course, because the information is true.
His failure to file a suit only serves to strengthen Gaffney's statements.
"show me the quid pro quo."
You might want to look up what "quid pro quo" is...
As far as proof goes, I've given it to you...you chose to ignore it.
Sound and fury? That's all you've shown me in this discussion...nothing more.
you so blinded by your feelings you cannot see that there is nothing there before you..... Gaffney has a long personal history with Norquist: His columns are part of a personal vendetta. I say again, the statements of fact you have posted, even if they are true, prove nothing. People met people, people knew people, some people said things -- again, so what? What thng or things occured because of it all that is criminal or even suspect to a rational mind.... some of the best investigative journalists -- real reporters unlike Gaffney -- have looked at all this and found nothing worth reporting.
"I say again, the statements of fact you have posted, even if they are true, prove nothing."
Yes, I have posted statements of fact. If English isn't your first language, let me clarify...statements of fact/truth. FACTS PROVE EVERYTHING!
Norquist received money from a terrorist supporter...who is now incarcerated. He has NOT, repeat NOT, cut ties with muslims groups who have had members jailed on terror charges. Gaffney presents documentation on the ugly truth concerning Norquist and you accuse him of vendettas....similar tactic to the muslim radicals who scream "islamophobe" when questioned about their views. Interesting.
"What thng or things occured because of it all that is criminal or even suspect to a rational mind...."
You mean aside from a)taking money from a terrorist, (Alamoudi who is now in jail), b)arranging for this terrorist to have access to choosing military chaplains, c)by virtue of the powerful position he holds within the White House has allowed terrorist supporters, such as al-Arian, (again, now in jail), to be in close physical proximity to the President of the U.S.?
Uh, gee, I dunno, problem? What problem?
If YOU don't have a problem with that, then you are a fool or worse.
"some of the best investigative journalists -- real reporters unlike Gaffney -- have looked at all this and found nothing worth reporting." Who are these investigative journalists? Jason Blair, Dan Rather? Learned men such as Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson, Paul Sperry, all have looked at this and found the disturbing facts regarding Norquist...facts that you don't what to know about... Gaffney, by the way, is not considered an investigative journalist, another fact you missed.
Those pesky facts and the truth always get in the way of those blind feelings, eh PDR?
I've presented fact, documentation and you've said you don't care to hear them. Hint: One of us is "blinded by feelings", but it's not me...
Clearly, you are devoid of reason, knowledge and logic...don't waste my time.
"If I'm wasting your time, why do you keep repsonding...."
You actually made the case quite strongly for my own point of view. I thought it would be fun to show the intelligent posters on this board the ignorance of posters such as yourself. You've risen to the challenge.
You have offered zippo proof. You denigrate and smear Pipes, Gaffney, Emerson based on your own personal feelings and no evidence, whatsover. You accuse those against Norquist of the same, yet they have provided evidence and YOU have not.
"and there are holes in everyone of the so-called facts you just presented."
Untrue. Of course, if there had been, you would have easily been able to document any falsehoods. Of course, you haven't, you can't because I understand that fact is truth, and you, sadly, do not grasp that concept.
You asked for proof, I gave it, you ignored it and made statements such as "So What?"
"... Dan Pipes, Frank Gaffney and Steve Emerson are NOT journalists - investigative or otherwise - they are propagandists.... polemisists... advocates...."
Ah, so anyone who disagrees with you gets called names...
You are guilty of slandering and smearing these men based upon your hysterical feelings. I have offered evidence backing my claims...you have not.
You have clearly stated in your previous posts that you don't care to comprehend the truth...it gets in the way of your story.
"not journalists. If all this is SO true, where is the Newsweek cover story? The New York Times investigative piece? The expose in Mother Jones? The NBC News white paper? The CNN Special Report? Surely the liberal media would have a field day with this if it were all true...."
Why don't you ask them? You seem to have a lot in common with the above group...they too have little regard for the facts, evidence and truth. You must be a fan of Jayson Blair, formerly of the NY Times. He made a career out of ignoring the truth.
" or are they in the Bush White House pocket too?"
Don't put words in my mouth. What is wrong with you?
Who said ANYTHING about anyone being in the Bush White House? Grover Norquist has continued close ties with terror sympathizers. You're the one who doesn't have a problem with him allowing these radicals access to the President....don't put words in my mouth.
I told you not to waste my time...
I will be more clear. Your behavior is abnormal. You are illogical, and incapable of an intelligent, factual based discussion.
You are wasting my time, you have nothing coherent to say and you are immature and childish in that you need to have the last word.
You've made my point.
Don't contact me again.
You continue to err or infer on several points, among them, that I engaged in name calling when I referred to Pipes, Emerson, Gaffney as propagandists, polemicists, advocates. These are, in the political realm, honorable pursuits -- they are just not journalism. You can put lipstick on a pig but it doesn't make him a beauty queen.
As to the lack of anyone filing a law suit as evidence of guilt, let me say that is simply preposterous. Why should anyone spend their time and their money on a lawsuit to answer frivolous charges made be a source who is hardly credible that are more an annoying than they are damaging. The potential gain in such circumstances do not outweigh the costs -- because the alleging party would no doubt continue to make the same or similar allegations even after losing in a court of law.
As to the lack of main stream media coverage, I have asked people I know at several of the publications I cited -- people who are no friend to Bush, to conservatives etc. -- where the stories on this are and the answer is uniformly the same: there's no story to be told.
All of the allegations that have been offered up are circumstantial and usually consist -- at some level -- of guilt by association. No one has been able to establish to my satisfaction or theirs that -- whatever they may be -- Norquist's relationships with any of these people -- if they do in fact exist -- resulted in any policy actions being taken or not taken, any meetings held, any decisions reached, nothing.
The fact that A knew B who knew C who was in the same suite of offices as Norquist and that D had a relative who once served on the board of an organization somewhere has, in and of itself, no inherently deeper meaning.
I could say more but I think I have said enough for the moment. You will, no doubt, have a response because you insist on having the last word.
Found some more disturbing information on Norquist in the course of my research:
Safavian is in jail now. Another Norquist buddy:
Ex-Director, Islamic Institute
David Hossein Safavian
Administrator, Federal Procurement Policy, U.S. Office of Management and Budget
Ex-Lobbyist, Abdurahman Alamoudi, Janus-Merritt Strategies LLC, Washington
Ex-Director, Islamic Institute
Associate director, Cabinet Affairs, White House
Son of Hasan Ali Tulbah, treasurer, Islamic Society of Greater Houston
Didn't know Mahboob Khan founded the Islamic Society of North America...
Father of Suhail Khan, aide to Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta,
ex-White House aide
Founding member, Muslim Student Association
Founding member, Islamic Society of North America
Founder, American Muslims for Global Peace and Justice, Santa Clara, Calif.
Co-Founder, Islamic Society of Orange County, Calif.
Co-Founder, Muslim Community Association, Santa Clara, Calif.
***Links to cancelled checks from Alamoudi (now in jail on terror charges), Saudi interests, Qatar, Gov't of Kuwait....all to Norquist.***(Islamic Institute)
Saudi interests: http://sperryfiles.com/images/8-1b.jpg
Gov't of Kuwait: http://sperryfiles.com/images/8-1d.jpg
Khan was elected to the ACU Board.
Khan was elected to the ACU board.
Excellent information you sent regarding the Saudi investments.
Yes, I am acutely aware of the names on the list...they will be watched closely...I do believe folks are "catching" on.
To my recollection, Gaffney's "personal" problems with Norquist are not outside of the context of this article. That is, Norquist's strangely strong association with terrorist-Americans.
I think it's a bit misleading to suggest, even obliquely, that this is a matter over a stolen girlfriend.
The only one suggesting THAT is you... Gaffney made a fool out of himself over his bigotry and was publically expelled from the Norquist Wednesday meetng until he apologized to Khan, the president and several other people. So now Gaffney has an axe to grind. Even if every verifiable allegaton Gaffney lovved turned out to be true, there is still no there there.
And if t did have to do with a stolen girlfriend, as you suggest, how would Gaffney have explained that to his then wife?
Is English your first language?
Grovers own Islamic Institute was initially financed by one of the most notorious of these operatives, Abdurahman Alamoudi, a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah who told the Annual Convention of the Islamic Association of Palestine in 1996, If we are outside this country we can say Oh, Allah destroy America. But once we are here, our mission in this country is to change it. Grover appointed Alamoudis deputy, Khaled Saffuri to head his own organization.
True or false?
"Grovers own Islamic Institute was initially financed by one of the most notorious of these operatives, Abdurahman Alamoudi'"
FYI - I have posted the link to the actual copies of this check and others...
A few of us have followed this situation quite extensively. Gaffney, Sperry, Pipes, Emerson...all have been right on the money and have provided proof of this disturbing situation. Sperry's links are especially pertinent.
Let me know if you require further details.
Welcome to "the know".
And exactly what is it the debunkers have that would persuade us these outstanding individuals are mistaken?
"And exactly what is it the debunkers have that would persuade us these outstanding individuals are mistaken?"
In a word, and as evidenced by my exchange with a radical sympathizer on this thread? Nothing.
That makes two of us...
Norquist is on corporate welfare and gets his cushy salary from 501(c) tax exempt corporations while he advocates leftist social causes and cultural marxism.
I never trusted him...
"That makes two of us..."
Looks like it's more than just us now...
"I never trusted him..."
Nor should you. Glad you're keeping abreast of the latest info, and now, the tactics of Grover's allies...
He is one sneaky son-of-a-bitch.
"He is one sneaky son-of-a-bitch."
That he is.
I only know Norquist as the head of AFTR. His work as a tax advocate seems to have been stellar. Certainly David Horowitz (who sides with Gaffney in this dust up) writes good things about his previous work.
Yes. Is it yours?
Indeed. This is disturbing.
I was hoping English was not your first language because the fact that you couldn't understand my comment leads to only one other conclusion and I was really hoping it wasn't that you were stupid.
PING! Being called stupid by this fellow is like being called ugly by a pig....
The enemy is in the gates, and he brought a mule load of gold.
and things debate into name-calling.... you have nothing serious to say, you cannot back up your statements, so you try and bait me into a mud-flinging contest.
the point here is that Suhail Khan, a loyal and patriotic American by anyone's standards, was nominated and elected to the ACU board despite Frank Gaffney's campaign of slurs and innuendo and associative guilt... Norquist got dragged into the discussion because he rose to Khan's defense -- and earned Gaffney's ire.
Are you absolutely sure English is your first language?
Suhail Khan, a loyal and patriotic American by anyone's standards,
I'm not asserting that he's not, I don't know the man. Why are you asserting with such certainty that he is?
Gaffney's point is not that Khan cannot be trusted but that Norquist, who pushed the nomination, cannot be trusted because of associations I outlined in #32...
...which you still have not addressed.
I do find it interesting that, instead of dealing with anything substantive, you immediately put on the cloak of victimhood. You see, by complaining about being called a drama queen, you make yourself more of a drama queen. Ironic, no?
Somehow I doubt that.
for debate in my last posting read descend.
You wanna run that through Babelfish again.
English is my primary language
Let us go into Clintonian parsing, shall we? What is your native language? What is the first language that you learned? I am not interested in which language is "primary" for you.
Oh, and you still have not addressed post #32.