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Flow of illegal immigrants to U.S. starts to slow
International Herald Tribune ^ | February 20, 2007 | James C. McKinley Jr.

Posted on 02/20/2007 4:44:47 PM PST by A. Pole

SAN LUIS RÍO COLORADO, Mexico: All along the U.S.-Mexican border, there are signs that the measures that the U.S. Border Patrol and other agencies have taken over the past year, from erecting new barriers to posting 6,000 National Guardsmen as armed sentinels, are beginning to slow the flow of illegal immigrants into the United States.

For 10 years, Eduardo Valenzuela has been crossing the Mexican border near Yuma, Arizona, illegally, trekking over desert scrub and hopping on a freight train to get to his job with a construction company in Phoenix, Arizona.

But on a recent afternoon, Valenzuela and four travel companions from his hometown of Los Mochis plopped down on a bench in a park in the border town of San Luis Río Colorado, exhausted and dispirited. Border patrol agents had caught them two times over three days, hounding them with helicopters and four-wheel-drive trucks.

"It's become much more difficult," Valenzuela said, echoing the comments of dozens of other migrants.

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Border Patrol commanders argue the slackening flow of migrants belies the conventional wisdom that it is impossible to stem illegal migration along a 2,000 mile, or 3,200 kilometer, border. Many veteran officers in the force are now beginning to believe that with sufficient resources, it can be controlled.

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One of the migrants was a 51-year-old plumber from Acámbaro, Guanajuato, who asked that his name not be used because he was ashamed of the criminal conviction.

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"I had no idea until they grabbed us and told us we were going to court," he recalled. "They are using barbaric techniques." But he acknowledged the stint in jail had convinced him not to try again, even if he is unable to pay his son's college tuition.

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(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; builditnow; crimaliens; fence; identitytheft; idtheft; illegal; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; invasionusa; jobs; wall
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1 posted on 02/20/2007 4:44:50 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole

It's about time!


2 posted on 02/20/2007 4:45:43 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: TommyDale

Barbaric tactics,boo hooo


3 posted on 02/20/2007 4:48:32 PM PST by JOHANNES801 (I have no tag line, cause I say nasty things.)
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To: A. Pole

Just move along now, the government has everything under control. They are even controlling the news about border crossings.


4 posted on 02/20/2007 4:50:22 PM PST by FreePaul
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To: A. Pole

We better start rounding up and deporting the hordes already in this country. It can be done easily, both directly and indirectly. President Eisenhower did it.


5 posted on 02/20/2007 4:50:47 PM PST by Dante3
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To: A. Pole
The 4 illegal knuckleheads who work next door to my shop still cross over 4 times a year without a hitch. They even told me how easy it was to defeat thermal imaging by lathering themselves up with mud. Border "security" is a bad joke.
6 posted on 02/20/2007 4:51:39 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: A. Pole
"It's become much more difficult," Valenzuela said, echoing the comments of dozens of other migrants.

Boo fricking hoo.

How can President Bush let this happen?

7 posted on 02/20/2007 4:53:18 PM PST by upchuck (Wanted: Conservatives to go read this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1771175/posts)
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To: A. Pole

I'll believe that when I see it.From what I have seen the numbers of criminal aliens is increasing,not decreasing.


8 posted on 02/20/2007 4:53:49 PM PST by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: A. Pole

It's a ruse to sucker us into giving them amnesty.

Watch and see. As soon as we do, they'll flood back over the border again.


9 posted on 02/20/2007 4:54:23 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: A. Pole
It seems to me that there has been a slowdown of immigrants (legal or illegal) into the NY/NJ area, over the past three years or so. I remember how we went from having nearly ZERO folks from Mexico, then having a huge influx from 1994-2000, with a few more coming after 2001. Many Indians have returned to India, but some are still coming, so it is a wash. Same is true of the Chinese and the Poles.

Of course, since Mexico is now down to 2.3 children per woman (and falling), a bottoming out should be expected.

10 posted on 02/20/2007 4:54:39 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: A. Pole
...............to posting 6,000 National Guardsmen as armed sentinels,.............

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Since when have the National guard been armed sentinels on the border??? All reports I've read is that they do not carry weapons and are mainly engaged in relieving the Border Patrol from their administrative, maintenance and other manual labor duties.

11 posted on 02/20/2007 4:54:45 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: A. Pole
The only barometer to gauge whether migrants are being discouraged to attempt entering the United States is how many migrants are caught. In the past four months, the number has dropped 27 percent compared with the same period last year. In two sections around Yuma and near Del Rio, Texas, the numbers have fallen by nearly two- thirds, officials from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security say.

I heard an ex-BP agent on the Roger Hedgecock show today. He said that he's in touch with active agents and they're telling him that some supervisory agents are sympathetic to Mexico. He named one specifically (last name Olmos, don't remember the first) and said she is inhibiting apprehensions by denying agents equipment like night vision goggle, and she's sending agents to cover areas that are quiet instead of areas that have a lot of activity.

I don't know if the guy's right, but I can see where if one wanted to fudge the numbers and make it look like apprehensions have dropped, it wouldn't be too hard to do it.

12 posted on 02/20/2007 4:56:15 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: A. Pole

You wouldn't know by the numbers I see here in rural Alabama...


13 posted on 02/20/2007 4:56:59 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: TommyDale

It's about time!
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It is about time a FENCE was built, and the flow STOPPED! (Not reduced). What a crock. This is Bush and a complicit Congress in action. The flood of illegals continues as well as the HUGE sums of money and services stolen from the taxpayers to fund this travesty.


14 posted on 02/20/2007 4:59:44 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Mikey_1962

... or northeast georgia...

this is baloney


15 posted on 02/20/2007 5:01:00 PM PST by Principled
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To: Principled; Mikey_1962

I think what you see in Alabama and Georgia is an outflow of folks who originally settled in metro Atlanta or Charlotte in the 1990s/early '00s, who have now spread out to other parts of the South.


16 posted on 02/20/2007 5:02:18 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: A. Pole

Has anyone looked around?
They're all here already!


17 posted on 02/20/2007 5:02:57 PM PST by Fireone (Duncan Hunter for President '08! - gohunter08.com)
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To: A. Pole
"They are using barbaric techniques."

Translation: "They caught us!"

18 posted on 02/20/2007 5:03:39 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Principled

I came here for an Engineering assignment from rural Northeast Ohio...all full up there too!


19 posted on 02/20/2007 5:04:29 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: Clemenza

If the birthrate keeps falling in Mexico, they will be in very serious trouble long before we will because nobody is flocking to Mexico like to the US.


20 posted on 02/20/2007 5:05:00 PM PST by umgud (I did not sleep with Anna Nicole)
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To: A. Pole

Only 20 million to go..........


21 posted on 02/20/2007 5:07:52 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Reagan would vote for Hunter)
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To: umgud
Porfirio Diaz tried to get Germans, French, and Italians to settle in Mexico back in the late 19th century, but an outbreak of cholera prevented that, so such folks went to the U.S., Argentina, or Brazil instead.

Maybe as the birthrate in Mexico continues to fall, they will finally allow the Mayans to pass freely into Chiapas from Guatemala.

22 posted on 02/20/2007 5:08:35 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: A. Pole

I think it's because Mexico is empty.


24 posted on 02/20/2007 5:15:38 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: A. Pole

I'll believe it's real when Home Depot parking lots are empty of illegal day laborers.


25 posted on 02/20/2007 5:16:32 PM PST by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: A. Pole
Flow of illegal immigrants to U.S. starts to slow

I believe the International Herald Tribune is owned by the New York Times, so it might be true, but be sure to look for the liberal agenda here.

Bush still refuses to say: The United States will secure our borders and enforce our immigration laws.

Until Bush utters those simple words, it's all BS public relations while he works for amnesty.

26 posted on 02/20/2007 5:16:49 PM PST by RJL
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To: Mr J

And when we see a steady parade of employers of illegal aliens doing the perp walk into federal prison.


27 posted on 02/20/2007 5:19:53 PM PST by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: A. Pole

"even if he is unable to pay his son's college tuition."

I guess his son will have to cross on his own, then.


28 posted on 02/20/2007 5:25:47 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: A. Pole

It has to slow down sometime.

Eventually they are all going to be here.........


29 posted on 02/20/2007 5:27:06 PM PST by KoRn
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To: A. Pole
"They are using barbaric techniques."

Oops, Border Patrol bring out the panties?

30 posted on 02/20/2007 5:27:57 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
It's a ruse to sucker us into giving them amnesty. Watch and see. As soon as we do, they'll flood back over the border again.

Yeah, Bush is planning on taking the Guard off the border in a few months. Just wait and see what happens to the number of illegals then, especially if Bush gives them the amnesty which they and the Democrats so desperately desire.

31 posted on 02/20/2007 5:31:14 PM PST by old republic
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To: Brad's Gramma; lainie

I did sort of a California Roll through a Border Patrol checkpoint in Arizona last week....oops....I thought the officer was waving me through like they do in Oceanside.....I have the whole thing on video.

haha.


32 posted on 02/20/2007 5:33:53 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Clemenza

That is obviously possible. But why would someone leave Atlanta or Charlotte for "the country"? They stand out pretty good in these parts.... and generally Atlanta has been tolerant of them and nobody else is - particularly where it's mostly good 'ole boys, trucks, dogs, and dip.


33 posted on 02/20/2007 5:36:31 PM PST by Principled
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To: Old Professer

Breaking the law can be justified, dontcha know.


34 posted on 02/20/2007 5:37:50 PM PST by Principled
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To: A. Pole

I wonder if they decided this using there so called comprehensive view. I have my doubts about anything government says about the illegal problem.


35 posted on 02/20/2007 5:38:13 PM PST by Racer1
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To: A. Pole
From the article:

Several migrants waiting their chance in San Luis curse under their breath in Spanish when asked about the soldiers and patrols. Some are indignant that the United States would treat them like enemies or criminals...

Parody-proof.

36 posted on 02/20/2007 5:40:11 PM PST by gogeo
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To: puppypusher

Mexico might be running out...


37 posted on 02/20/2007 5:41:03 PM PST by gogeo
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

Ping!


39 posted on 02/20/2007 5:45:30 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: John Jorsett
I can see where if one wanted to fudge the numbers and make it look like apprehensions have dropped, it wouldn't be too hard to do it.

Bingo. And... even if someone were deliberately playing with the numbers, we'd never know one way or the other. It's not as though we've been accounting for every illegal that crosses, or even a substantial percentage. IOW, any "reduction" is pure speculation at best, and probably worse than that - a deliberate, agenda-driven lie to make the American people think the problem is under control.

40 posted on 02/20/2007 5:46:24 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: A. Pole

I remember reading around here that the border patrol said that 10 million probably got through in 2006. We must be looking at 5 to 7 million this year then, if it has slowed down.


41 posted on 02/20/2007 5:47:07 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: A. Pole
I don't trust this for a second. They are trying to stop the building of the fence.

The fence must be built. All illegals must be deported.

Enforcement first. Then we can consider other things.

42 posted on 02/20/2007 5:47:58 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: TommyDale

...I heard the Titanic has quit taking on water too.....


43 posted on 02/20/2007 5:48:43 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: A. Pole
"The U.S. government has also begun punishing migrants with prison time from the first time they enter illegally in some areas. For instance, along the 210 mile border covered by the Del Rio office of the Border Patrol, everyone caught crossing illegally is charged in federal court and sentenced to at least two weeks in prison."

Now here is something that will work, I noticed they could get up to six months....we should give them all of it. This will make a good deterrent.

44 posted on 02/20/2007 5:56:31 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: Mikey_1962
You wouldn't know by the numbers I see here in rural Alabama...

Or here in Central Ohio.

45 posted on 02/20/2007 6:07:28 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: NorCalRepub
...I heard the Titanic has quit taking on water too.....

LOL! Nominating this for Reply of the Day!

46 posted on 02/20/2007 6:08:29 PM PST by LNewman
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To: A. Pole
Water finds its own level.


47 posted on 02/20/2007 6:12:07 PM PST by bannie
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To: bannie
Flow of illegal immigrants to U.S. starts to slow

As it does every year around this time.

48 posted on 02/20/2007 6:18:27 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Shhh, Iím hunting RINOs.)
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Many veteran officers in the force are now beginning to believe that with sufficient resources, it can be controlled.

BS, we always knew it could be controlled with sufficient resources.

49 posted on 02/20/2007 6:20:26 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Shhh, Iím hunting RINOs.)
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To: A. Pole

"They are using barbaric techniques."

We're using "barbaric" techniques? He knows nothing of barbaric! But I hope he stays home and takes a second job, so that his son will have a father.


50 posted on 02/20/2007 6:34:07 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support the Border Patrol!)
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