Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

A Field Guide to Rudy Boosters - Introduction
2/20/2007 | dirtboy tory peterson

Posted on 02/20/2007 7:25:29 PM PST by dirtboy

Political observers are falling over themselves trying to determine the cladistics of a newly-emergent population of political animal, the Rudy booster. This appears to be the first new species of Republican to emerge in over two decades in the Family Republicanae (the last being Conservatisi reagani), and displays a particularly odd range of behaviors that call into question the long-term political viability of the new species, as well as that of Republicanae in general if they assume a position of dominance.

Some observers have proposed classifying the new population as a subspecies of Rinous rockefelleri, whereas others have made a fairly convincing case that the new species properly belongs within the Family Democratus and the genus/species of Scoopjacksonae liebermani - an endangered group of pro-war liberals with otherwise no conservative positions, hunted nearly to extinction by the more rabid Friedhippybrainous deaniaci. But for now, they will will treated as a separate species within Rinous.

In this field guide, we will discuss the observed talking points to date of the Rudy boosters as a means to understanding their behavior in the wild, whether those are calls of alarm, anger, deception or delusion, and what those mean for making a proper and clinical determination of whether this is just a subspecies displaying new liberal tendencies is truly an emergent new species, perhaps due to geographic isolation in the liberal Northeast.

For example, take the now-commonly-heard talking point that Rudy can beat Hillary. This talking point does display anger and deception tendencies at times (especially when the Rudy booster is getting hammered on other subjects), but should properly be placed into the delusion category, given that Giuliani never outpolled Hillary during the 2000 NY Senate race even though he was the sitting mayor and she was a carpetbagger with cankles that would send Godzilla screaming back into the ocean, never to return.

And this talking point shows the precarious nature of the Rudy booster's existence - namely, that they believe that their candidate can hold together the GOP despite the lessons of 1992. That Rudy can pull in key pro-life Catholic Dem swing voters despite getting awards from NARAL. And that a pro-war candidate can survive if he strikes out leftward in search of votes into regions that are increasingly antiwar.

Interested observers are encouraged to post their observations of talking points and opinions as to the proper cladistics for Rudy boosters. This field guide will initially be organized topically and also by electoral strategy, although that could change if the behavior of Rudy boosters continues to grow more irrational and erratic.

Next chapter - how to get Rudy boosters shrieking like howler monkeys - bring up the 2nd Amendment


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 1nyisnotamerica; dirtyonenote; dirtyspam; downwithrudy; duncanhunter; dunkindonuts; dunkinwho; eleventhamendment; fooledguide; goawayrudy; goofy; hohum; hunterhearsawho; jealousy; losertarians; lowbrows; pantiesinawad; pseudocons; rightwinghysteria; rudysux; rutards; spam; spammy; stayhomeandloser; takemymarbleshome; theocons; vanity; wewannalose; whinos; winningscaresme
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-146 next last

1 posted on 02/20/2007 7:25:31 PM PST by dirtboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

I like Rudy but no thanx.


2 posted on 02/20/2007 7:26:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Spiff; Reagan Man; TommyDale; Liz; beltfed308; TitansAFC; Carry_Okie

Ping to my contribution to scientific knowledge.


3 posted on 02/20/2007 7:26:43 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy
Great writing, can't wait for the second chapter?

Can I send it to my email list?
4 posted on 02/20/2007 7:29:31 PM PST by Delphinium
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Delphinium

Please feel free to distribute. The Rudy boosters do all the work for me. I couldn't make their talking points up if I were David Lynch.


5 posted on 02/20/2007 7:30:36 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: doodlelady

ping


6 posted on 02/20/2007 7:30:51 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

Next chapter - "Well, there's no such thing as the perfect candidate." How Rudy supporters ignore abortion.


7 posted on 02/20/2007 7:32:40 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy
Dood! Let's get this party started!

LMAO!!!

8 posted on 02/20/2007 7:33:09 PM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: toddlintown

That's chapter three. I see you are a student of political cladistics!


9 posted on 02/20/2007 7:33:27 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy
They sure are upset today about my RinoRudy photos.
I thought Rinos had thick hides.
10 posted on 02/20/2007 7:34:48 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

conduct whatever analysis and opinion you desire.

just remember, the republican social conservative base cannot elect a president on its own. they couldn't even hold senate seats in places like MO in 2006.

now it may well be that a republican presidential candidate cannot win without these votes, but they also cannot win with ONLY these votes. these voters can either be part of a coalition that elects a president, or they can stay at home and hand the election to the Dems.


11 posted on 02/20/2007 7:35:31 PM PST by oceanview
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

"dirtboy tory peterson"- oh man, as an old field bio major, I'm laughing my a** off. Of course you're gonna show migration and those unintelligible call patterns, right?


12 posted on 02/20/2007 7:36:04 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

Good job. I think this could be a fun year! LOL!


13 posted on 02/20/2007 7:37:45 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ASA Vet
I thought Rinos had thick hides.

Indeed no, that's an illusion brought on by their overinflated ego and sense of self righteousness.

Like the puffer fish, it is also a defense mechanism. Appear larger than you really are in hopes of scaring off predators.
14 posted on 02/20/2007 7:38:04 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy
Rinous urbanus - He rode into NYC with six guns ablazin'; obliterated organized crime; supressed the squegee men and the public pissers.

He leapt tall buildings at a single bound and patched up the crack in the Liberty Bell, (in his spere time).

15 posted on 02/20/2007 7:38:20 PM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ASA Vet
The hides of species within the genus Rinous appear thick and durable, but quickly wear down under rapid application of facts. This sends the beast into a fit of anger talking points such as "YOU MUST WANT HILLARY TO WIN", despite the fact that most of those on FR who are outside the Rinous genuswere anti-Clinton activists long before large numbers of Rinous subsequently migrated here.
16 posted on 02/20/2007 7:38:35 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

"That's chapter three. I see you are a student of political cladistics!"

Well I can't wait for chapter two!


17 posted on 02/20/2007 7:38:52 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

Good stuff. I can't wait until the 2nd chapter.


18 posted on 02/20/2007 7:39:42 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: oceanview
a republican presidential candidate cannot win without these votes, but they also cannot win with ONLY these votes

Absolutely correct.

Something has happened to those people - too much of Karl's Kool-Aid, I think. They don't understand the whole coalition thang.

19 posted on 02/20/2007 7:41:52 PM PST by Jim Noble
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

I think you should package a book with these writings and actually make money on it. You could get a lot of publicity with the right people.


20 posted on 02/20/2007 7:42:22 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy
The Rudy boosters do all the work for me. I couldn't make their talking points up if I were David Lynch.

Maybe they are part of the intelligentsia that Rush is talking about?

“One of the things I told you I feared was a "redefinition of conservatism" in order to fit specific candidates, like in the conservative intelligentsia (of which I am proud to not be a member). The conservative intelligentsia is these intellectuals in the DC-New York axis, and they sit around and they choose their candidates, and then they plug their candidates into a new definition of conservatism. They say, "Well, our conservatism is what our candidate is now," and you've got people who are for Giuliani who are saying, "Giuliani is the best conservative in the race."”RUSH

Did you see that thread?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788134/posts
21 posted on 02/20/2007 7:43:57 PM PST by Delphinium
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: oceanview
just remember, the republican social conservative base cannot elect a president on its own. they couldn't even hold senate seats in places like MO in 2006.

We even have Rudy boosters coming into this thread to help us with our study! I wasn't going to get into deception-type talking points for several chapters, but since you gave a good example of such here, I'll address it.

Social conservatives are well aware of that detail. The larger point is, for the Family Republicanae to prevail in elections, it needs to keep all the various species from wandering elsewhere and needs to attract species from Democratus and Independiae, such as Catholicae prolifeus and Ruralus gunnutteri. But the pro-choice and pro-gun talking points of the Rudy boosters have already been shown in the field to actually drive those species deeper into the historical range of Democratus.

22 posted on 02/20/2007 7:44:05 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

this should ruffle some feathers


23 posted on 02/20/2007 7:44:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

I'm off the Rudy train (largely due to his anti-2A stance - I just about punched my radio in when I heard him defend gun-grabbing on Hannity) but this is unnecessarily confrontational.


24 posted on 02/20/2007 7:44:48 PM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TommyDale

Thanks, but this is being done for political expediency, and should be freely distributed so voters can get a better understanding of Rudy boosters.


25 posted on 02/20/2007 7:45:40 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: No.6

This is humor. Based on field observations on FR of the nonsense that is being used to plug Rudy.


26 posted on 02/20/2007 7:46:42 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

Was this intended to be funny?


27 posted on 02/20/2007 7:48:15 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Delphinium

I did not, thanks for pointing it out to me. The shoe sure does fit as described by Rush.


28 posted on 02/20/2007 7:49:20 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: fat city
Of course you're gonna show migration and those unintelligible call patterns, right?

Of course. This time of year, the various herds of political animals thunder across the plains like wildebeast.

29 posted on 02/20/2007 7:50:28 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: justshutupandtakeit
Was this intended to be funny?

Only for those with a sense of humor.

30 posted on 02/20/2007 7:50:54 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: justshutupandtakeit

Let's get a couple dozen spam posts on this thread!


31 posted on 02/20/2007 7:51:12 PM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone

Please do. I can always use the bumps.


32 posted on 02/20/2007 7:51:46 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: EternalVigilance; TAdams8591

ping


33 posted on 02/20/2007 7:54:04 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

Honestly, Rudy is a likeable fellow but to liberal for a REP POTUS.

Being strong and giving NYC and the US a shoulder to cry on in the wake of 911 is all he really has going for him at a national level.

And Rudy was much hated prior to that on the left and right


34 posted on 02/20/2007 7:56:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: All
BEWARE!... Social-conservatives, Christian conservatives or moral-conservatives of ANY KIND..

********************* WE NEED TO UNITE IN OUR PURPOSE!!! ************************

No matter how you slice it, this guy is the ULTRA-LEFT on social issues. Let's not forget that!... I believe everyone is getting ready for the 'coronation,' with at least a long year to go, We'll see. KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL!...

I believe Guliani's CONSULTANTS tactic is simply to DIVIDE the Republicans. To attract as many Lefty Republicans (I still don't get used to the label /s) by selling Mr. Guiliani as the CHAMPION OF NATIONAL SECURITY! to us, but I would not be surprised if we get a new batch of "converts" from the 'other side,' to push him over the top. Either I am paranoid but actually BELIEVE this "adoration," for this guy is orchestrated by some special interest out there. Just because, yes, He cleaned up N.Y. and acted with leadership on 9/11... Great as those things are, does not make him the Republican Presidential candidate by default...HARDLY!

And I should say, if he were a social-conservative (as DUNCAN is) THEN, I would be pushing hard for him!... But as it is... THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL I WILL VOTE FOR HIM!... Because if he gets elected, well, social-conservatives LOSE AND the LEFT WINS... That simple. All true social, Christian or Moral conservatives should above all, DENY our vote to the Left... And Rudy is the LEFT on social issues, and those are our issues.

So let's get excited about the challenge... Because I have this funny feeling that this maybe the first time THE PEOPLE will actually defeat the CONSULTANTES! :)

So Let's do it people. Let's show them we are not the dumb a*** they think we are :)


35 posted on 02/20/2007 7:56:36 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 & Let's not forget, we are all still friends, basically :) despite our differences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All
BEWARE!... Social-conservatives, Christian conservatives or moral-conservatives of ANY KIND..

********************* WE NEED TO UNITE IN OUR PURPOSE!!! ************************

No matter how you slice it, this guy is the ULTRA-LEFT on social issues. Let's not forget that!... I believe everyone is getting ready for the 'coronation,' with at least a long year to go, We'll see. KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BALL!...

I believe Guliani's CONSULTANTS tactic is simply to DIVIDE the Republicans. To attract as many Lefty Republicans (I still don't get used to the label /s) by selling Mr. Guiliani as the CHAMPION OF NATIONAL SECURITY! to us, but I would not be surprised if we get a new batch of "converts" from the 'other side,' to push him over the top. Either I am paranoid but actually BELIEVE this "adoration," for this guy is orchestrated by some special interest out there. Just because, yes, He cleaned up N.Y. and acted with leadership on 9/11... Great as those things are, does not make him the Republican Presidential candidate by default...HARDLY!

And I should say, if he were a social-conservative (as DUNCAN is) THEN, I would be pushing hard for him!... But as it is... THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL I WILL VOTE FOR HIM!... Because if he gets elected, well, social-conservatives LOSE AND the LEFT WINS... That simple. All true social, Christian or Moral conservatives should above all, DENY our vote to the Left... And Rudy is the LEFT on social issues, and those are our issues.

So let's get excited about the challenge... Because I have this funny feeling that this maybe the first time THE PEOPLE will actually defeat the CONSULTANTES! :)

So Let's do it people. Let's show them we are not the dumb a*** they think we are :)


36 posted on 02/20/2007 7:56:38 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 & Let's not forget, we are all still friends, basically :) despite our differences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

Not me. You know who to ping.


37 posted on 02/20/2007 7:56:51 PM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: ElPatriota

Ooops.. to quick on the trigger.. sorry :)


38 posted on 02/20/2007 7:57:39 PM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 & Let's not forget, we are all still friends, basically :) despite our differences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Fierce Allegiance

ping


39 posted on 02/20/2007 7:59:23 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: ElPatriota

better watch that.. Rudy might pass a law or sumpthin


40 posted on 02/20/2007 8:00:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

OK, who amongst the "family" did NOT turn out in 2004? In 2004, the socon base delivered to the max - 80/20 Bush and a record turnout. Did we win 45 states? no, we won by 65000 votes (swing) in Ohio.

so who didn't vote for us in 2004? In other words, show me a candidate that can max the socon base like Bush did in 2004, AND get some more votes amongst the other "family" members that Bush could not get. why do I say "more" votes? Because we are going to have to do better then 2004 - trends are showing we are going to do worse in 2008 amongst Hispanics and Generation Y voters. We've got to make that up someplace. Where do we go? Is there some candidate that can get 90/10 white evangelicals? I don't know. OK, we'll pick up more generic white male voters who would not vote for Shrillary (few men will vote for a woman who reminds them of their nagging wife), I give you that. But we are also going to see a higher turnout amongst single young women who think its "chic" to elect the first woman president. And I also think Hillary is going to shift the "Oprah" voting block - married suburban independent women - slightly more in her favor.

So let's forget the specific candidates for a moment, and focus analytically on the demographics.


41 posted on 02/20/2007 8:00:56 PM PST by oceanview
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: justshutupandtakeit; TommyDale
I think you should package a book with these writings and actually make money on it.

Now thats funny...
42 posted on 02/20/2007 8:02:47 PM PST by motzman (Hunter for Secretary of Defense)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble
Something has happened to those people...They don't understand the whole coalition thang.

Oh, we understand it alright. We're just tired of being Boxer the horse when the only ones who get to run the farm are the pigs.

43 posted on 02/20/2007 8:03:04 PM PST by papertyger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: oceanview

I disagree. Even if social conservatives all sit out this election, Rudy will (after beating McCain for the Republican nomination of course) draw so much support from among independents and "Rudy" democrats - as well as republicans - that they will form a large enough voting block to sweep him into office.

Rudy is a great leader. And he's conservative where it counts: the war on terror, the economy, law and order issues, and supreme court nominations. And he's got great legs.


44 posted on 02/20/2007 8:03:35 PM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: oceanview
no, we won by 65000 votes (swing) in Ohio.

Yep, and a lot of those swing votes were pro-life Catholic Dems and independents. That's the problem. Rudy won't pull them.

I'm really not sure how the GOP can win in 2008. The party seems rudderless. However, I do know what the answer ISN'T - it is not to nominate someone who will be unable to hold the party together and unable to pull in key pro-life and/or pro-gun Dems. Rudy simply is NOT the answer.

45 posted on 02/20/2007 8:03:38 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: aligncare
I disagree. Even if social conservatives all sit out this election, Rudy will (after beating McCain for the Republican nomination of course) draw so much support from among independents and "Rudy" democrats - as well as republicans - that they will form a large enough voting block to sweep him into office.

From the Intro above:

And this talking point shows the precarious nature of the Rudy booster's existence - namely, that they believe that their candidate can hold together the GOP despite the lessons of 1992. That Rudy can pull in key pro-life Catholic Dem swing voters despite getting awards from NARAL. And that a pro-war candidate can survive if he strikes out leftward in search of votes into regions that are increasingly antiwar.

Please detail just HOW and WHERE Rudy will get the votes to replace any lost social conservatives. Specifics, please, not generalities.

46 posted on 02/20/2007 8:05:12 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy
Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
47 posted on 02/20/2007 8:05:15 PM PST by Faustian Justice2 (...even if it takes saving one baby at a time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

Made me happy to hear him pointing it out.


48 posted on 02/20/2007 8:07:08 PM PST by Delphinium
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: dirtboy

you are be right, he can't pull (some of) them.

but look at states like PA - almost hopeless now for a republican presidential candidate. why? Because we are getting destroyed in the metroplexes. Mind you, I'm not talking about the inner cities. The mostly white suburbs tied closely to the urban metroplexes, are trending further and further Dem. So we can't win PA because we do so poorly in the Philly and Pittsburgh suburbs - white, suburban, middle/upper middle income, and trending Dem. The same pattern is emerging in Virginia - northern VA as a suburb of the DC metroplex, also going in this direction.

We have to change that trend.


49 posted on 02/20/2007 8:14:08 PM PST by oceanview
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: oceanview

Don't waste your time. These anti Rudy folk are only interested in clucking among themselves and pretending to make political sense.


50 posted on 02/20/2007 8:14:59 PM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-146 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson