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Freeze 'Condemned Neanderthals'
BBC ^ | 2-21-2007

Posted on 02/21/2007 8:59:59 AM PST by blam

Freeze 'condemned Neanderthals'

Small pockets of Neanderthals clung on in the south (Image: Gibraltar Museum)

A sharp freeze could have dealt the killer blow that finished off our evolutionary cousins the Neanderthals, according to a new study. The ancient humans are thought to have died out in most parts of Europe by about 35,000 years ago.

And now new data from their last known refuge in southern Iberia indicates the final population was probably beaten by a cold spell some 24,000 years ago.

The research is reported by experts from the Gibraltar Museum and Spain.

They say a climate downturn may have caused a drought, placing pressure on the last surviving Neanderthals by reducing their supplies of fresh water and killing off the animals they hunted.

Sediment cores drilled from the sea bed near the Balearic Islands show the average sea-surface temperature plunged to 8C (46F). Modern-day sea surface temperatures in the same region vary from 14C (57F) to 20C (68F).

In addition, increased amounts of sand were deposited in the sea and the amount of river water running into the sea also plummeted.

Southern refuge

Neanderthals appear in the fossil record about 350,000 years ago and, at their peak, these squat, physically powerful hunters dominated a wide range, spanning Britain and Iberia in the west to Israel in the south and Uzbekistan in the east.

Our own species, Homo sapiens, evolved in Africa, and displaced the Neanderthals after entering Europe about 40,000 years ago.

Neanderthals held on at sites like Carihuela (Image: S Fernandez Jimenez/J Carrion)

During the last Ice Age, the Iberian Peninsula was a refuge where Neanderthals lived on for several thousand years after they had died out elsewhere in Europe.

These creatures (Homo neanderthalensis) had survived in local pockets during previous Ice Ages, bouncing back when conditions improved. But the last one appears to have been characterised by several rapid and severe changes in climate which hit a peak 30,000 years ago.

Southern Iberia appears to have been sheltered from the worst of these. But about 24,000 years ago, conditions did deteriorate there.

This event was the most severe the region had seen for 250,000 years, report Clive Finlayson, from the Gibraltar Museum; Francisco Jimenez-Espejo, from the University of Granada, Spain; and colleagues.

Their findings are published in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews.

Rare event

"It looks pretty severe and also quite short," Professor Finlayson told BBC News.

"Things like olive trees and oak trees that are still with us today managed to ride it out. But a very fragmented, stressed population of Neanderthals - and perhaps other elements of the fauna - did not."

The cause of this chill may have been cyclical changes in the Earth's position relative to the Sun - so-called Milankovitch cycles.

How Gibraltar might have looked in Neanderthal times

More details

But a rare combination of freezing polar air blowing down the Rhone valley and Saharan air blowing north seems to have helped cool this part of the Mediterranean Sea, contributing to the severe conditions.

Gorham's Cave on Gibraltar shows evidence of occupation by groups of Neanderthals until 24,000 years ago. But thereafter, researchers have found no signs of their presence.

However, in an interesting new development, scientists are also now reporting another site, from south-east Spain, which has yielded evidence for the late survival of Neanderthals.

In a study published in the journal Geobios, Jose Carrion, Santiago Fernandez Jimenez, from the University of Murcia; and colleagues analysed pollen from soil layers at Carihuela cave to determine how vegetation had changed in the area during the past 15,000 years.

During the course of this work, they also obtained ages for sediment samples from the cave, using radiocarbon dating and uranium-thorium dating.

Sediment layers containing Neanderthal tools were found to date from 45,000 years ago until 21,000 years ago.

Caution needed

These radiocarbon dates are "raw", and do not exactly correspond to calendar dates. They cannot therefore be compared directly with those from Gibraltar, which have been calibrated with calendar dates.

Neanderthal bones have also been excavated from these sediment units, including a male skull fragment which could potentially be very recent. But Professor Carrion is extremely reluctant to draw conclusions about these human remains.

Pollen records the environment in which Neanderthals lived (Image: S Fernandez Jimenez/J Carrion)

Spanish archaeologists carried out a detailed excavation of Carihuela between 1979 and 1992. But the cave is currently closed due to a dispute between national and regional governments over rights to dig at the cave.

"The human bones have been recovered in different excavation campaigns over 50 years. The relationship between them and the dates I provide must be treated with caution," Professor Carrion told BBC News.

He added that sediments in parts of the cave could have been churned up, mixing old bones in with younger material. He suggested Carihuela should be re-excavated to resolve some of the controversies surrounding the site.

Clive Finlayson suggested the late Neanderthal dates from Carihuela might agree well with those from Gibraltar once they were calibrated.



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1 posted on 02/21/2007 9:00:01 AM PST by blam
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

In Before The Mango Salsa Reference!


2 posted on 02/21/2007 9:01:38 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Neanderthals, the Rodney Dangerfields of mankind.


3 posted on 02/21/2007 9:03:07 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: blam

It was genocide that killed'em off...


4 posted on 02/21/2007 9:04:10 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: martin_fierro

Where did the theory go about the Neanders being "built for the cold" ??


5 posted on 02/21/2007 9:04:11 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: blam
Always the victims.
6 posted on 02/21/2007 9:04:30 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: blam

Al Gore.


7 posted on 02/21/2007 9:04:38 AM PST by manic4organic (Send a care package through USO today.)
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To: blam
Well, if it's true that we don't learn from history, and knowing that the liberals consider Conservatives to be "neanderthals", and most of us Conservatives consider the whole "global warming/global cooling" theories to be so much horse pucky, then perhaps once again we're condemning ourselves to freeze....

Naaaah... I don't buy it either.

8 posted on 02/21/2007 9:07:11 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: blam

I thought SUVs killed the Neanderthals?


9 posted on 02/21/2007 9:07:21 AM PST by lormand (Michael Wiener - the tough talking populist moron, who claims to be a Conservative)
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To: rightinthemiddle

But at least he's getting back together with Tina!


10 posted on 02/21/2007 9:08:04 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: blam
My guess is that they were hunted down by tribes of homo-sapiens and slaughtered to extinction.
11 posted on 02/21/2007 9:08:15 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: blam

The Neaderthals should have signed the Early Accord to suppress GLOBAL COOLING.


12 posted on 02/21/2007 9:10:01 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: rightinthemiddle

Thanks for the graphic!

I really love the Geico cavemen.
For the favorite commercial, I'm torn between the orginial "apology
at the swanky restaurant" one and the "at the therapist" one.


13 posted on 02/21/2007 9:10:26 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

But...do you buy Geico insurance?

(professsional question)


14 posted on 02/21/2007 9:11:13 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: blam
Unless I am mistaken, the word "warming" did not appear in the above news story. Should this seem odd. Why blandly report this discovery without that word? I strongly suspect it is because the climate change it documents proves, once again, that the climate naturally becomes colder from time to time and when it done being colder, it naturally becomes warmer.

Since, on a broad time scale, the earth is still recovering from the last ice age, a time when glaciers covered parts of what is now the United States, it should go without saying that the temperature is slowly rising. The rise is so slow, that some graphs do not show it because even a decades-long time frame is too short.

None of this will deter the BBC, nor anyone else from still claiming that SUVs are going to kill all life on earth, nor from devising schemes totaling trillions of dollars that attempt to limit the so-called greenhouse gases.
15 posted on 02/21/2007 9:12:25 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: blam

The Neanderthals didn't have oil drilling, jet airliners and SUVs.
And now they're extinct.


That's my ripoff of an ancient "M-TV" commercial that went something like
this:
"The Incas had an advanced roadway and communication system.
Elaborate terraces to provide an agricultural bounty even in mountainous
terrain.
But they didn't have M-TV.
And now their culture is extinct."


16 posted on 02/21/2007 9:14:39 AM PST by VOA
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Neanderthals were supposedly adapted for cold weather and if you follow this Journey Of Mankind you'll note that modern humans arrived in the Iberian region as early as 45,000 years ago and apparently survived all the cold that is supposed to have killed off the Neanderthals.
A large part of European DNA has it's origins in the Iberian refuge (along with the Balkan and Ukranian refuges). Then there's a 26,000 year old (Cheddar Man-1) skeleton found in Cheddar Cave in the UK (not to be confused with Cheddar Man-2 who's 9,000 years old).

BTW, Brian Sykes (Seven Daughters Of Eve) said that migrants around Europe were driven back to the refuges during the Last Glacial Maximum(LGM) (18,000-23,000 years ago) but Stephen Oppenheimer says that some weathered the LGM in northern regions of Europe and the UK.

I just don't know?

17 posted on 02/21/2007 9:14:55 AM PST by blam
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To: rightinthemiddle

Love Geico's ads but their insurance is just too expensive. Probably because of all the TV ads.


18 posted on 02/21/2007 9:14:56 AM PST by dvan
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To: rightinthemiddle

"But...do you buy Geico insurance? "

Actually, no. I have a better deal with a long-term insurer.
But, if I was in the market for auto-insurer (e.g., 30 years younger!),
the ads would probably at least move me to check out GEICO as part
of comparison shopping.


19 posted on 02/21/2007 9:17:16 AM PST by VOA
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To: Coyoteman
This article I posted yesterday further complicates the issue:

Spread Of Modern Humans Occurred Later Than Previously Thought, Profs Say

"The spread of modern humans out of Africa occurred 40,000 to 50,000 years later than previously thought, according to researchers including one Texas A&M University anthropologist. "

20 posted on 02/21/2007 9:24:54 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Its an interesting puzzle.

I think with the techniques that archaeology and other sciences are now working with the answers will be forthcoming though.

21 posted on 02/21/2007 9:28:11 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: VOA

They signed the "Gaul Protocals" for global warming and looked what happended, they all froze.


22 posted on 02/21/2007 9:32:10 AM PST by HenpeckedCon
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To: blam
Why were the Homo sapiens Africans, who weren't adapted to the cold, able to move into the area 40,000 years ago, but resident Homo neanderthalensis, who were adapted, couldn't survive that same cold?
23 posted on 02/21/2007 9:35:13 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: blam
>>The cause of this chill may have been cyclical changes in the Earth's position relative to the Sun - so-called Milankovitch cycles.

The Milankovitch Cycle (tm) - Causing Global Climate Change since the beginning of our solar system! Read about it in any good geology or astronomy reference but don't expect to find it in intergovernmental climate change panel publications!

24 posted on 02/21/2007 9:38:40 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: blam

I wish I'd read your post before I asked the same question in #23.


25 posted on 02/21/2007 9:39:00 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: blam
In addition, increased amounts of sand were deposited in the sea and the amount of river water running into the sea also plummeted.

Wouldn't these be mutually exclusive propositions?

The lower the river flow, the less sediment it's capable of carrying.

26 posted on 02/21/2007 9:44:13 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: ASA Vet

affirmative action? ;)


27 posted on 02/21/2007 9:47:06 AM PST by APRPEH (id theft info available on my profile page)
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To: blam

If they would have sped up the development of SUV's they would have survived.


28 posted on 02/21/2007 9:51:34 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ASA Vet

Mink coats.


29 posted on 02/21/2007 9:54:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: VOA

I love it when he tells the therapist, "My mother's calling. I'll put it on speaker," neatly nailing Freud in two brief sentences.


30 posted on 02/21/2007 9:58:36 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: ASA Vet
"I wish I'd read your post before I asked the same question in #23."

No problem.

I'll take the opportunity to add a few things from Brian Syke's new book, "Saxons, Vikings And Celts."
He says now that he should have had Eight Daughters Of Eve.(Not seven)
The Rhine and the Thames were once the same river.
The Picts may not be distinguishable in the DNA record.(He's not had much luck but considers the jury still out.)

I had a one time considered the possibility that the Picts may have been a different racial group but, no more.

I'm having my DNA 'done' through The National Geographic Genographic Project and encourage others to do the same...the total cost is $107.50 each.

31 posted on 02/21/2007 10:35:39 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Obviously Bush's fault. Probably victims of Karl Rove's time and weather controller.


32 posted on 02/21/2007 10:57:29 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: 3AngelaD

If the GEICO Cavemen/Neanderthal commercial series doesn't make it
into the advertizing Hall of Fame...there is no justice!
OK, IMHO.


33 posted on 02/21/2007 11:12:14 AM PST by VOA
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To: rightinthemiddle

I'm not the person you asked, but I do have GEICO insurance and have had it for twenty years. The service has been excellent.


34 posted on 02/21/2007 11:14:48 AM PST by joylyn
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To: joylyn

Were you swayed by the commercials 20 years ago?

I do advertising, and although I find the Geico ads entertaining, I question how much business they're getting from the spots.

I like "creative with a purpose." Super Bowl ads are often prime examples of "creative without a clue."


35 posted on 02/21/2007 11:17:45 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: blam
Date: February 18, 2007

Birth Rate, Competition Are Major Players In Hominid Extinctions

Science Daily — Modern human mothers are probably happy that they typically have one, maybe two babies at a time, but for early hominids, low birth numbers combined with competition often spelled extinction. "The lineages of primates have some traits that make it hard for them to respond to rapid perturbations in the environment," says Dr. Nina G. Jablonski, professor of anthropology and department head at Penn State. "Through time we see a lot of lineages become extinct when environments where the species are found become highly seasonal or unpredictable."

Primates evolved in the Paleocene and Eocene when worldwide climate was less seasonal. The beneficial environment allowed primates to evolve as relatively brainy animals that reproduce slowly. However, when climate changed so that tropical forests shrunk and the environment became patchy, many species including primate species became extinct.

"While past primate populations moved with the forest, early hominid cultures 2.5 million years ago show signs of the ability to live in marginal areas and live on more dynamic, seasonal landscapes," Jablonski told attendees today (Feb. 16) at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in San Francisco.

Through time, the human lineage evolved to fill a wide variety of ecological niches, but those species that filled narrow environments, were less able to withstand the effects of climate change. Paranthropus boisei, a Pleistocene hominid, thrived around 2.5 million years ago, but disappears from the fossil record a million years ago. Paranthropus boisei became extinct when it was unable to compete with other mammals.

A specialized feeder, Paranthropus boisei dined on hard objects like seeds, tubers and bones. While it had a variety of food sources, they all required the crunching, grinding force of its teeth. Unfortunately, bush pigs and hyenas had great grinding and crushing teeth, too, and went after the same food. Paranthropus could not compete because it produced one offspring a year at most, while the others had large litters and could increase their populations at a much faster rate. Paranthropus simply could not compete reproductively and could not alter its choice of food.

"We find that the early members of the genus Homo who succeeded were super ecological opportunists," says Jablonski. "They would eat vegetation and scavenge, kill small animals and forage."

Cultural adaptations helped these opportunists to take advantage of whatever food was available. But culture did not seem to help the Neandertal. Tremendously successful from about 200 to 50 thousand years ago, they suffered a gradual decrease and extinction from about 30 to 26 thousand years ago.

"Neandertal was extremely adept culturally," says Jablonski. "They had big brains, a wide variety of tools and were extremely successful as active, aggressive hunters of large game. We see evidence of hunting, kill sites, butchery and even herding off cliffs. We find thrusting spears and butchering knives." The Neandertal encountered increasing environmental seasonality with longer cold seasons and shorter periods of warm weather. Leading up to and during the last glacial maximum about 18,000 years ago, the grassy plains disappeared, taking with them the animals that relied on large expanses of grass for grazing. These animals were the prime food source for Neandertal.

At the same time, modern Homo sapiens experienced the same reduction in large animal game, but switched to also fishing, snaring small mammals like rabbits and capturing turtles and birds.

"Rather than being a specialized large mammal predator, modern humans would eat anything they could get their hands on. They eked out a living even if it meant eating grasshoppers or whatever," says Jablonski. "Even with this, modern humans barely hung on from 12 to 16,000 years ago.

"Why did Neandertal not adapt culturally?" she asks. "Why did they not start eating bunnies? They did begin fishing."

Jablonski believes that competition from modern humans was already too strong. The environment was marginal and modern humans were already foraging and small-animal collecting.

"I think they were out-competed at the very end," says Jablonski. "Modern humans simply did it better, more nimbly."

She adds that modern humans may have had storage capabilities that Neandertal did not. There is evidence that modern humans did have the capacity to store food and water in the late Pleistocene. No evidence exists that Neandertal could store either.

Both Neandertal and modern humans suffered from the primate curses of single births widely spaced. For Neandertal, cultural adaptation was not sufficient to overcome and compete with modern humans, just as Paranthropus boisei could not compete with the likes of bush pigs and hyenas. " Can we, today, control our cultural behavior to ensure our environmental success," says Jablonski. "Can we control growth and population density, or come up with new technology to overcome the problems we will face from the global climate change we have created?

"We clearly have the cultural ability to do either," says the Penn State researcher. "But both require forethought and planning to face the demographic and climate change. A degree of honesty, our species is not known for."

Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Penn State.

36 posted on 02/21/2007 11:20:21 AM PST by blam
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To: rightinthemiddle

I don't recall seeing any GEICO ads years ago. I signed up with them because that's the insurance my friends had. Back then it was known as Government Employees Insurance Company, I believe.

Of course I can't be sure, but I think these ads would motivate me to try GEICO if I were looking for an insurance company. (I also love the ads where a celebrity is brought in to help customers tell their stories -- especially the one that a play on non-traditional casting, in which a male "actor" speaks the woman's lines.)

What the GEICO ads say to me is that the people who run this company are hip and believe I'm intelligent enough to get their jokes. Also, they're not afraid to be politically incorrect. On the other hand the ads are done in a way that doesn't necessarily offend those who are politically correct. The cavemen are quite likeable and sympathetic.

In general, I suspect that a lot of clever ads don't really translate into sales, but I think GEICO's have given the company a very attractive image.


37 posted on 02/21/2007 11:39:43 AM PST by joylyn
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To: blam

By the way, are the GEICO cavemen Neanderthals or are they Cro Magnons? They look more like the latter to me.


38 posted on 02/21/2007 11:45:54 AM PST by joylyn
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To: joylyn
We are Cro-Magnons.

Why Don't We Call Them Cro-Magnons Anymore?

39 posted on 02/21/2007 11:51:51 AM PST by blam
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To: joylyn

Thanks for the input.


40 posted on 02/21/2007 11:51:56 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: blam
Is that a Neanderthal dwelling at Carihuela ?

Just kidding.

But the article gives that impression.

41 posted on 02/21/2007 12:07:21 PM PST by happygrl
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To: johnny7

It was beauty killed the beast.


42 posted on 02/21/2007 12:15:55 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: blam

Thanks for the information. I had no idea that the Cro-Magnons had been phased out of existence. But weren't there "anatomically modern" cavemen -- the GEICOmen don't look Neanderthalish to me. Of course, I've never seen Tina.


43 posted on 02/21/2007 12:18:08 PM PST by joylyn
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To: Arthur McGowan

It's the obvious answer... but most are scared to even think it.


44 posted on 02/21/2007 12:19:21 PM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: joylyn
"Thanks for the information. I had no idea that the Cro-Magnons had been phased out of existence. But weren't there "anatomically modern" cavemen -- the GEICOmen don't look Neanderthalish to me. Of course, I've never seen Tina."

A skeleton of what many believe to be a mix of Neanderthal/Modern Human was found and here is what a reconstruction of that face is believed to have looked like when it was alive.

45 posted on 02/21/2007 2:06:34 PM PST by blam
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To: dvan

Their quote was double what I pay State Farm.


46 posted on 02/21/2007 2:08:07 PM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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Something old to chew on...
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

47 posted on 02/21/2007 10:28:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: martin_fierro; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam. I agree, no sense at all. There was an article in the past couple of years where the same claim was made, I'll see if I can find it. Martin, I think that *constitutes* that very reference. Just please don't give anyone a pretext for posting a pic of you-know-who...

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
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48 posted on 02/21/2007 10:30:47 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Big Chill Killed Off The Neanderthals
New Scientist | 1-21-2004 | Douglas Palmer
Posted on 01/21/2004 6:26:51 PM EST by blahttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1062478/posts

Neanderthal Man 'Never Walked In Northern Europe'
The Telegraph (UK) | 8-22-2004 | Tony Paterson
Posted on 08/21/2004 10:25:32 PM EDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1196571/posts


49 posted on 02/21/2007 10:38:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Hey!

I know that kid! He's the one that stole my bike!


50 posted on 02/21/2007 10:51:58 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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