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Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level help
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | February 22, 2007 | Pamela Manson

Posted on 02/21/2007 1:10:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.

The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.

Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Utah had no comment on the allegations. The FBI and Justice Department in Washington, D.C., also declined comment.

Nichols does not say what motive the government would have to be involved in the bombing.

The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, who believes his brother's death in a federal prison was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing. The suit, which seeks documents from the FBI under the federal Freedom of Information Act, alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trentadue for a bombing conspirator and that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand.

Trentadue's death a few months after the April 19, 1995, bombing was ruled a suicide after several investigations. The government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing in the death.

In his affidavit, Nichols says he wants to bring closure to the survivors and families of the attack on the Alfred B. Murrah Federal Building, which took 168 lives. He alleges he wrote then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004, offering to help identify all parties who played a role in the bombing but never got a reply.

Nichols is serving a life sentence at the U.S. Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility in Florence, Colo. McVeigh, who carried out the bombing, was executed in 2001.

McVeigh and Nichols were the only defendants indicted in the bombing. However, Nichols alleges others were involved.

McVeigh told him he was recruited for undercover missions while serving in the military, according to Nichols. He says he learned sometime in 1995 that there had been a change in bombing target and that McVeigh was upset by that.

"There, in what I believe was an accidental slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh in the bomb plot," Nichols says in the affidavit.

Nichols also says that McVeigh threatened him and his family to force him to rob Roger Moore, an Arkansas gun dealer, of weapons and explosives. He later learned the robbery was staged so Moore, who was in on the phony heist, could deny any knowledge of the bombing plot if the stolen items were traced back to him, Nichols claims.

He adds that Moore allegedly told his attorney that he would not be prosecuted in connection with the bombing because he was a "protected witness."

Moore could not be reached for comment Tuesday.

In addition, Nichols says McVeigh must have had help building the bomb. The device he and McVeigh built the day before the bombing did not resemble the one that ultimately was used, Nichols says, and "displayed a level of expertise and sophistication" that neither man had.

pmanson@sltrib.com


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 02/21/2007 1:10:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Terry is due for an Arkancide.


2 posted on 02/21/2007 1:10:57 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bush's fault of course.


3 posted on 02/21/2007 1:12:14 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Did Ramzi Yousef work for the FBI?


4 posted on 02/21/2007 1:12:31 PM PST by bw17
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I recommend heavy duty aluminum foil. It keeps "them" from putting thoughts into your head...


5 posted on 02/21/2007 1:12:43 PM PST by chadwimc
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yep. What did Bill Clinton and his goons know, and when did they know it?

Amazing how Clinton immediately misdirected attention to talk radio following the bombing.


6 posted on 02/21/2007 1:12:46 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Rove


7 posted on 02/21/2007 1:13:54 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Rove


8 posted on 02/21/2007 1:14:02 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Sounds like misinformation to me. I can buy a coverup to hide government failure but not a coverup to hide deliberate government mass murder of american citizens.


9 posted on 02/21/2007 1:14:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

FBI sting gone bad was always a conspiracy theory in this case.

I want to happen to "John Doe Number Two" that the Ryder rental people swore was with McVeigh, but the FBI now claims never existed.


10 posted on 02/21/2007 1:15:20 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: PhiKapMom; 2Jedismom; Honeybunch; VOA

Where is OKCSub when we need him?


11 posted on 02/21/2007 1:15:21 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Affidavits are a dime a dozen. How about some real evidence?


12 posted on 02/21/2007 1:15:46 PM PST by jude24
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To: Obadiah
I am sure the President and AG will hold a joint press conference in the morning to announce they are reopening the OKC investigation and will soon have indictments on Bill and Hillary Clinton for their involvement in the bombing.
13 posted on 02/21/2007 1:16:55 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I'm not sure why we should believe Terry Nichols.


14 posted on 02/21/2007 1:17:07 PM PST by kidd
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To: Yo-Yo
Or the security cam video tape that magically "disappeared".

It's probably in the same room as the front doors from Mount Carmel.

15 posted on 02/21/2007 1:17:23 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Obadiah
Pick a monkey.


16 posted on 02/21/2007 1:17:24 PM PST by Quilla
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Have expected that for a long time.


17 posted on 02/21/2007 1:18:01 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: kidd
I'm not sure why we should believe Terry Nichols.

If he's guilty, that means he knows what actually happened.

18 posted on 02/21/2007 1:18:16 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: OKSooner
Where is OKCSub when we need him?

Posting privileges suspended or revoked...

19 posted on 02/21/2007 1:18:39 PM PST by 100-Fold_Return (Buy High--Sell HIGHER)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The attorney "alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trentadue for a bombing conspirator and that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand."

If he is right then he has a good civil rights lawsuit on his hands. But many around here seem to think it would be wrong for the victim (or in this case the victim's family) to collect punitive damages. I hope he wins big if his allegation can be substantiated with hard evidence.

20 posted on 02/21/2007 1:18:41 PM PST by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I thought this conspiracy theory had already been put to rest.

This grand jury's report says that there is no credible evidence that anyone other than McVeigh and Nichols was involved, that there is no credible evidence that the government or the ATF or any government agencies had prior knowledge that a bombing would occur; that was one of the popular conspiracy theories. And finally they said that there is no evidence that this white supremacist compound in Eastern Oklahoma called Elohim City was the place where the bomb conspiracy was hatched. And that was something that defense teams for both McVeigh and Nichols tried to show at their trials in Denver.

21 posted on 02/21/2007 1:18:56 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

ping.


22 posted on 02/21/2007 1:19:21 PM PST by cgk (Republicanism didn't make Conservatives a majority. Conservatism made Republicans a majority. [NEWT])
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To: Obadiah

Kind of like when he was talking to Larry King when Foster's body was discovered in Marcy Park. Remember how he had to leave the show early?


23 posted on 02/21/2007 1:20:07 PM PST by twonie (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT '08. THERE - A COMMITMENT OUT LOUD.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why is this a story

New movie coming out
The Shooter


About a guy set up by the Govt.......


24 posted on 02/21/2007 1:20:09 PM PST by ASOC
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To: OKSooner

OKC lost all his luster when people stole his idea about the bombs in the supports and used them on the WTC.


25 posted on 02/21/2007 1:20:34 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Tell you what. Let us release Terry Nichols at ground zero in
Oklahoma City with prior notice and let the people beat the truth out of him.


26 posted on 02/21/2007 1:23:11 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If I was in his shoes then I would come up with stories like this too, in hopes of somehow getting a deal to eventually get released. He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain if some fool actually believes him.


27 posted on 02/21/2007 1:23:31 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Tell you what. Let us release Terry Nichols at ground zero...

Fine by me.

28 posted on 02/21/2007 1:24:25 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Nichols alleges others were involved.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1846269
29 posted on 02/21/2007 1:25:06 PM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: bw17

Think about this: the Iraqi secret police were very adept at forgeries and had many agents living in the US; forged identities for presenting themselves as FBI agents of deep cover would be too easily accepted by persons already planning to revenge the fire bombing in Waco if the 'agents' were presenting themselves as plannign to revenge missteps by the current administration and particularly Reno; Iraqi explosives experts would be very capable of building on frist try a waepon like the one detonated at the Murrah building. I'm not ready to poopoo Nichols' claims since he might be very mistaken because of Iraqi deception.


30 posted on 02/21/2007 1:25:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: cripplecreek; eyespysomething
I can buy a coverup to hide government failure but not a coverup to hide deliberate government mass murder of american citizens.

I think that was a South Park episode.

31 posted on 02/21/2007 1:25:11 PM PST by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: cripplecreek

Sit down and figure out how many "government people" would have had to be aware of this operation and coverup to make it work.

None of these people talked? It's said three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. This of course being the same government that has such great difficulty doing some of the simplest things. They couldn't even burgle the Watergate hotel efficiently.

How many cold murderous bastards do these conspiracy folks think work for the government? I can envision a small rogue group taking out those they see as enemies of the government, or the environment, or some other great threat to a great cause. But blowing up random office workers and children? I don't buy it.

Occam's Razor leans toward one or two evil nuts being responsible rather than hundreds or thousands of evil nuts working directly for the government and willing to plan, carry out and cover up mass murder of innocents. Is it really logical to imagine a GS employee willing to perpetrate such things, making himself highly eligible to receive the death penalty, for a government salary and good health care benefits?


32 posted on 02/21/2007 1:26:07 PM PST by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: kidd
"I'm not sure why we should believe Terry Nichols."

Because he is a patriot that only murdered all those people because he loves his country. Oh and because he supports Hitlery Clitoon.
33 posted on 02/21/2007 1:26:24 PM PST by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: jude24
Affidavits are a dime a dozen. How about some real evidence?

Go ask Sandy Burglar after he's been tortured.

34 posted on 02/21/2007 1:26:43 PM PST by D-Chivas
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth.

BS from a conspiracy theorist. Hasn't he ever heard of redaction?

35 posted on 02/21/2007 1:27:05 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ASOC

Sounds like the plot from a Freeper's novel ... guy is an ex-Seal and knows his stuff.


36 posted on 02/21/2007 1:28:04 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: OKSooner

Did you see a few months back where Keating said he asked the FBI to continue looking for some more people that were involved? First time I had ever heard that. There is more to this story then meetings the eye IMHO.

I am not attending Keating's speech the night before the Convention after he endorsed McCain.


37 posted on 02/21/2007 1:28:28 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com/fo)
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To: cripplecreek
I can buy a coverup to hide government failure but not a coverup to hide deliberate government mass murder of american citizens.

While not directly related to the OKC bombing, this is evidence of a high-level government cover-up of the mass murder of American citizens at Waco:

House of Representatives Report 104-749 8/2/96 Committee of Government Reform & Oversight "..."The staff also had an opportunity to inspect the physical evidence taken from the ruins of the residence after the fire, much of which had been used in the criminal trial of surviving Davidians. By prior agreement with the Justice Department, a potential witness at the hearings, Failure Analysis Associates, Inc., was to inspect some of the physical evidence in order to respond to tampering allegations. It was believed that the views of scientists from Failure Analysis, who had often performed scientific evaluations for the Federal Government, including the Justice Department and NASA after the Challenger explosion, would be beneficial given public suspicions about the firearms recovered from the site of the Davidian residence. The inspection would not have damaged the weapons and was to have been conducted in the presence of all parties. It was hoped that the inspection would determine whether the Davidians had attempted to alter legal, semi-automatic weapons by converting them into illegal, automatic weapons as the ATF had alleged, and whether any of this evidence had been altered after it was gathered from the destroyed Davidian residence. When the scientists arrived in Austin, the Department declined to make the firearms available to them. The Department agreed instead to conduct the tests itself and present its findings to the subcommittees. A short time later, the Department urged, for cost considerations, that the tests not be performed. As a result, no tests were performed on the firearms." ....."

Is this evidence that the government is responsible for what happened at OKC? No.

Is this evidence that supports the notion that high-level cover-ups for the murder of American citizens? IMO, Yes.

38 posted on 02/21/2007 1:28:32 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After 6 years of George W. Bush, I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration.)
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To: Sherman Logan

That's the argument I tend to use. It's just too hard to keep hundreds and thousands of people quiet.

On the other hand I think islamic terrorist involvement is entirely plausible.


39 posted on 02/21/2007 1:28:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: AppyPappy
OKC lost all his luster when people stole his idea about the bombs in the supports and used them on the WTC.

You're kidding, I hope...you forgot the /sarc tag.

40 posted on 02/21/2007 1:29:17 PM PST by NewLand (Always remember September 11, 2001)
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To: cripplecreek

No joke. We laugh at the DU/wingnuts/moonbats for their 9/11 theories.


41 posted on 02/21/2007 1:30:10 PM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Yo-Yo

Read Jayna Davis' book on the OKC bombing and you will know all you need to know about John Doe 2


42 posted on 02/21/2007 1:30:28 PM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: AppyPappy
Bush's fault of course.

Actually, in this case, it actually is. Nothing that went on during the previous administration has been looked at seriously. 

43 posted on 02/21/2007 1:34:45 PM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: MHGinTN

LOL
Not a Snipes fan.

Pretty thin story line as well - but lots of explosions.


44 posted on 02/21/2007 1:37:02 PM PST by ASOC
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To: cripplecreek
On the other hand I think islamic terrorist involvement is entirely plausible.

That they'd be willing to do it. Sure.

That they wouldn't crow from the rooftops about their great triumph against the Great Satan. Not a chance.

The issue of this type I find most disturbing is the anthrax case. Not so much that it happened, but that it stopped.

45 posted on 02/21/2007 1:37:17 PM PST by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Ben Mugged

I would suggest catching up with the recent publications by Jayna Davis.


46 posted on 02/21/2007 1:38:57 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: cripplecreek
I can buy a coverup to hide government failure but not a coverup to hide deliberate government mass murder of american citizens.

I agree ... unless it was an attempted sting that went bad.

47 posted on 02/21/2007 1:39:15 PM PST by Ditto
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Howsa 'bout we put Bill Clinton, Sandy Berger, Jamie Gorelick and the other co-conspirators in a room with the relatives of the Oklahoma City Bombing and the TWA 800 downing. Supply the interrogators with ball bats and see who hits a home run.

We know that the Clinton Coverup was pervasive but that Berger can be broken. I volunteer my pen knife and expertise to skin the blankety blank.

48 posted on 02/21/2007 1:39:38 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: MHGinTN

I heard Iraqi intelligence was in Elohiem City looking for rascists to do harm to the US.

I wonder if this Fed was muslim.


49 posted on 02/21/2007 1:41:38 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush if given a chance.)
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To: cripplecreek

"On the other hand I think islamic terrorist involvement is entirely plausible." Actually, the lack of a suicide driver in the Ryder truck is more an indication of Iraqi involvement than Islamic terrorists. The degenerate democrat in the WH at the time wanted to squelch anything that indicated failure in the Iraqi policy and might be used to taint administration policy.


50 posted on 02/21/2007 1:42:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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