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Mitt Romney's symbolic appeals to conservative Republicans. Tribal Warfare {FR mentioned]
The New Republic ^ | February 21, 2007 | Rick Perlstein

Posted on 02/21/2007 7:39:36 PM PST by Torie

Mitt Romney is in trouble. In a deeply conservative party, the former governor of Massachusetts is a ghost of Republicanism past: a moderate. His presidential announcement speech read like a tribute to his father, [who was] liberal enough to get elected and reelected governor in a Democratic state, Michigan. ... "We have lost our faith in government--not in just one party, not in just one house, but in government," as if oblivious to the heresy: Rehabilitating government as a good in itself is not the usual way of introducing yourself to voters in today's post-Reagan Republican Party. Maybe Romney's tried to shake it, but he just can't: He carries progressive Republicanism around in his blood.

Which raises certain suspicions about that announcement speech. As the National Jewish Democratic Council (NJDC) immediately observed, its location, the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, is a "testament to the life of ... a notorious anti-Semite and xenophobe." ...

Those memories no longer exist--except to the hair-trigger sensitivities of the likes of the NJDC, which put out their press release and garnered an AP article on the flap. But here's something to consider: The Romney campaign has harvested benefits from that flap, whether it was intentional or not. Consider the sarcastic reflection of this denizen of the right-wing website Free Republic:

Allright, an AP hit piece! The MSM has more acute RINOdar than we. Real RINO's don't get rinky-dink MSM hit pieces such as this. This proves that the MSM believes Romney is a conservative, and therefore must be roughed up.

Translation: I used to suspect that Romney was only a "Republican in Name Only." But now I realize: He bugs the liberal media. By the tribal logic of right-wing identity politics, that is enough--Mitt Romney now can be called a conservative.

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(Excerpt) Read more at tnr.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2008; electionpresident; elections; realdeal; romney
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And here I thought FR is crawling with RINO Rubybots these days. Who knew? LOL.
1 posted on 02/21/2007 7:39:38 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

Well, there's a year left to go before the Primaries. Maybe by that time we'll have more competitive candidates than the current triumvirate of liberal Republicans pretending to be conservatives.

If not I'll just roll over and go back to sleep.


2 posted on 02/21/2007 7:42:29 PM PST by Seruzawa (Marx's Das Kapital never could compete with the Sears catalog.)
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To: Seruzawa
triumvirate of liberal Republicans pretending to be conservatives.

Sickening isn't it?

3 posted on 02/21/2007 7:44:54 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Torie
Hope the shills get it all out of their system soon so we can rationally get to the issues before anyone really has to vote on anything.
4 posted on 02/21/2007 7:47:18 PM PST by maui_hawaii (China: proudly revising history for over 2000 years and counting.)
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To: Seruzawa

I think Romney is a conservative Republican who was pretending to be a liberal when he ran for office in Massachusetts. He was widely rumored to be pro-life, when he ran in 1994.

Anyway, REAL social conservatives like Jay Sekulow have decided to rally around Romney, despite the loud complaints by the Pat Buchanan/Alan Keyes-supporting wing of FR. I think Romney would be a great president, not only because of his positions, but because of his leadership and management skills.


5 posted on 02/21/2007 7:48:43 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: maui_hawaii
I suspect about 80% of Freepers are pretty hard wired as to their choice already. Job one around here sometimes seems to be to just make those who favor another candidate from one's own choice as agitated and miserable as possible, just for the sadistic joy of it all. :)
6 posted on 02/21/2007 7:52:20 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: LtdGovt

I was about to make a comment about your newbie status, always suspicious when folks like you show up to shill for a liberal like Romney. But on reflection, you smell more like an obvious retread than an actual newbie.


7 posted on 02/21/2007 7:53:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: LtdGovt
I think Romney would be a great president, not only because of his positions, but because of his leadership and management skills.

Last week's, this week's, or next week's?

8 posted on 02/21/2007 7:54:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: LtdGovt
I think Romney is a conservative Republican who was pretending to be a liberal when he ran for office in Massachusetts.

So in other words, you're saying Mitt Romney's a liar, who will say whatever it takes to be elected to office.

In fact, if Romney was actually a closet conservative pretending to be a liberal, in 1994, in 2002 and as recently as last summer, practically every one of his positions was a lie, a fabrication, a falsehood.

What does that say?

9 posted on 02/21/2007 7:54:26 PM PST by Alter Kaker
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To: LtdGovt
Anyway, REAL social conservatives like Jay Sekulow have decided to rally around Romney

Jay is a long time judicial supremacist. No surprise him going to Romney. Two peas in a pod.

10 posted on 02/21/2007 7:55:28 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: LtdGovt

Strange that he was really pro life after professing to be pro-choice since 1970. And that he thought since Roe V wade was already decided, we should "sustain and support it".

Plus he's a gun grabber who is now trying to kiss the NRA's butt.

At least with rudy you know you're getting a liberal. With romney you're getting a used car salesman who will say whatever it takes to get elected. In 2004 we called that 'flip flopping' when a certain democrat did it.


11 posted on 02/21/2007 7:55:49 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: EternalVigilance
He's (ltdgovt) not as much a shill for RINO-romney as he is a shill for RINO-rudy.

It's truly sickening.

12 posted on 02/21/2007 7:58:31 PM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Alter Kaker

I base my position on something I read in the NR-Corner a few days ago, where a woman was quoted as saying that in 1994, Romney said to her that he was pro-life, but that he would have to run as pro-choice in Massachusetts. His reputation as a pro-lifer would fit that bill.

As for lying, I don't think what he did is much different from what other politicians do. Politics is a dirty business, and even President Bush has taken some positions that I think are suspect (i.e., I don't think they represent his true beliefs).


13 posted on 02/21/2007 8:01:00 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Alter Kaker; AFA-Michigan
In fact, if Romney was actually a closet conservative pretending to be a liberal, in 1994, in 2002 and as recently as last summer, practically every one of his positions was a lie, a fabrication, a falsehood. What does that say?

No kidding. And that would make the following Academy Award worthy:

Mitt vociferously defends his support of abortion on demand

14 posted on 02/21/2007 8:02:08 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: DocH

Frankly, I think they're pushing these guys more to try and move the party left than because they think they can actually win the primaries.


15 posted on 02/21/2007 8:03:39 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: EternalVigilance

You really only have to look at Romney's handling of the Mass budget and the SLC Olympics to see his management skills at work. Or his business career...

The guy is stellar in that regard. It doesn't matter what you think of his social views.


16 posted on 02/21/2007 8:05:13 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Torie

"Mitt Romney now can be called a conservative. "

Well, apparently the Bush Family and Carol Rove are now backing Romney.


17 posted on 02/21/2007 8:05:30 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I just KNEW you would show up on this thread. :P

Meanwhile Rudy is pulling 41% of the GOP primary vote in California, per a very recent poll. I just knew my state was going to be in his corner among GOP voters. Sometimes California gets it right -- sometimes. Cheers.

18 posted on 02/21/2007 8:06:16 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: ZULU

I thought they were backing Rudy. What happened?


19 posted on 02/21/2007 8:06:56 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: CheyennePress
It doesn't matter what you think of his social views.

Well, it may not matter to you, but it most certainly matters to me.

20 posted on 02/21/2007 8:09:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: Torie
Sometimes California gets it right -- sometimes.

Right. They're just brilliant at weeding out socialist destroyers and picking conservative republicans. /extreme sarcasm

21 posted on 02/21/2007 8:10:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: Torie

Check out Newsmax.com 's Washington Insider.

Just gives me another reason to write off Romney. Bush has given a lukewarm performance as a conservative and Rove reminds of a kind of weasel - a Republican version of James Carville - willing to bargain anything away to get an election.


22 posted on 02/21/2007 8:11:22 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Torie

You have your finger on the pulse of freeperdom.


23 posted on 02/21/2007 8:12:25 PM PST by maui_hawaii (China: proudly revising history for over 2000 years and counting.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Meaning it doesn't matter as to his managerial expertise. :)

Yeah, they matter to me, too. But those have less to do with management and more to do with conviction.


24 posted on 02/21/2007 8:12:34 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: EternalVigilance

I am sure that you find Idaho much more congenial. Have you been to Fremont County yet?


25 posted on 02/21/2007 8:13:05 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: LtdGovt
I think Romney is a conservative Republican who was pretending to be a liberal when he ran for office in Massachusetts. He was widely rumored to be pro-life, when he ran in 1994.

I think his story is more like Reagan. I think he bought into a lot of lib ideas when he was younger. But he's reached that age where experience and facts have sunk in. And he's abandoned some of those liberal assumptions. I think his record is one of someone who has been trending conservative for a while now. I think a lot of us have this experience as we get older and realize that it's easy to be a liberal when you're young but not when you finally realize the consequences of such policies.

Compare it to Giuliani who is an unrepentant liberal big-government type all the time on every problem.

Romney merits consideration. He also needs to speak out more on his positions on conservative issues and he needs to be vetted by the pro-life/pro-family/pro-gun organizations.
26 posted on 02/21/2007 8:13:53 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Torie
Consider the sarcastic reflection of this denizen of the right-wing website Free Republic

Hey someone actually didn't call us a "blog" and also didn't call us "left wing".

28 posted on 02/21/2007 8:17:32 PM PST by Domandred
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To: George W. Bush
Here's the NRC post I mentioned earlier:

“I congratulated him on taking a pro-choice position, one of the reasons I had been open to working with him. I remember his response was something like: "Well, this is Massachusetts. I realized I had to take this position," which was the first indication to me that what I had understood to be his personal view was a stance he was actually taking pragmatically. He went on that day to talk about an aunt of his who had died during a botched abortion and how he thought legalized abortion was important. But those around him, and people who knew him closely in the ward, knew that it was a position he had taken because he thought he had to in order to win.”

Will the Real Mitt Romney Please Stand Up?
30 posted on 02/21/2007 8:20:14 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: CheyennePress
You really only have to look at Romney's handling of the Mass budget and the SLC Olympics to see his management skills at work. Or his business career... The guy is stellar in that regard.

I've been impressed. He made his own money and is actually rich enough he could almost finance his entire primary campaign and most of the general out of his own pocket. Not that he'd have to. But I think the business community will like him.

The GOP is always a pro-business party. What's wrong with considering a real capitalist? Especially one with a record of balancing budgets.
31 posted on 02/21/2007 8:21:26 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Torie

I propose we shift the debate away from the traditional "left-right" framework. This implies that there is some legitimacy to the arguments of the left, or that somehow, for the majority of Americans, the answer lies in the "middle".

To call it "good" and "evil" is the right idea, but bad marketing. Same with "right" and "wrong". Perhaps "fair" and "unfair" comes close.

With all the major issues (abortion, security, immigration, taxes, education, health care, environment) there are stances which are fair and unfair. To simply say there are views on the "left" and on the "right" for each of these is to imply an equally legitimate footing for both, when any rational person can see this is not the case.



32 posted on 02/21/2007 8:23:29 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: CheyennePress
Meaning it doesn't matter as to his managerial expertise. :)

Mussolini made the trains run on time. Hitler created the Autobahn. Doesn't mean I want men like them anywhere near power. How about you?

33 posted on 02/21/2007 8:23:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: Torie

From the vault:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689965/posts?page=53#53


34 posted on 02/21/2007 8:24:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: maui_hawaii; Torie
You have your finger on the pulse of freeperdom.

Well, if that's true, then how the mighty have fallen. Torie is FR's most notorious liberal poster. I always figured Jim let him stay around because he doesn't rant and rave like most liberals...he speaks in modulated soft tones most of the time. ;-)

35 posted on 02/21/2007 8:27:17 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: Torie
Typical, they have NO clue what conservatives are about, and certainly not Free Republic! We can read them like books, speed reading through it in record time. And that is NOT even close to what we think.

They should leave that type of thing to us, they are not good at it.
36 posted on 02/21/2007 8:29:07 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Would that work out? Wouldn't people just call positions 'fair' or 'unfair', based on what they believe themselves? No one is going to call his own beliefs unfair, I assure you.


37 posted on 02/21/2007 8:30:59 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Lancey Howard
Good post, but Rudy will have to contend with the leftist media and their reporters DNC operatives and all the filthy trash they've probably got on Rudy. They won't care if it's accurate or not, as long as they persuade enough people to get turned off by it, they'll be happy.
38 posted on 02/21/2007 8:31:24 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: LtdGovt
You have very right to your opinion, as do we all. I just for the life of me, cannot imagine where that leadership was in MA, he did so much for us afterall!
39 posted on 02/21/2007 8:31:40 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Torie

California has not got it right since Reagan. Rudy is nothing but Arnie in drag.


41 posted on 02/21/2007 8:32:20 PM PST by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Good call by you. Still it is surprising that Rudy has gained traction so fast, and McCain has fallen so fast.


42 posted on 02/21/2007 8:33:57 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: maui_hawaii; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
In any case it doesn't take a brain scientist to see whats going on here.

No, it doesn't. I just clicked on your homepage, and the first thing you do there is attack pro-lifers. Didn't anybody clue you that this is a prolife conservative website?

As to your tagline, that's beyond the pale by about 500 miles, Lefty.

44 posted on 02/21/2007 8:35:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: EternalVigilance

I didn't mean for my comment to be an ideological one. Some supporters of all the candidates have been unnecessarily caustic, including many Rudy supporters.


45 posted on 02/21/2007 8:35:55 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: EternalVigilance
Hey, EV!

Good to see you. Folks here really need to toughen up LOL, everyone has their right to think, feel, support, heck even vote, in whatever manner they like! I just can't imagine why when we are told someone is a solid conservative, we are expected to just follow like sheep. We too, are entitled to those same rights, and when we know better, we are free to voice it. And it doesn't make us "insert name calling here".
46 posted on 02/21/2007 8:35:56 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Torie

To the New Republic, FDR was a right wing fanatic.


47 posted on 02/21/2007 8:36:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: maui_hawaii
By the way, since when are you the judge and jury of whats conservative or not? Agreeing with you isn't a criteria for accomplishing a d*mn thing. You certainly are not the barometer everyone else should measure by to determine how conservative they are....Thats pretty arrogant of you to think so.

My criteria are pretty much identical to the guy who buys the bandwidth around this joint. Take it up with him. And you can take your tagline and stick it, Lefty.

48 posted on 02/21/2007 8:36:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: LtdGovt

They used to call his father "Romney the Rambler."


49 posted on 02/21/2007 8:38:32 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: maui_hawaii; EternalVigilance

"By the way, since when are you the judge and jury of whats conservative or not?"

That's one line I hear repeatedly from the most liberal FR members.

Let's play the RINO disconnect game:

"Who are you to say who is conservative and who isn't?"
"Rudy / Romney are really conservatives"
"Duncan hunter can't win because he's too conservative, so we have to run someone like rudy or romney, because they appeal to moderates..but they're still conservatives!"

At times it's almost dizzying.


50 posted on 02/21/2007 8:38:52 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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