Posted on 02/22/2007 6:52:57 AM PST by NraFreedom
KSL television (NBC Utah) took Congressman Chris Cannon (R) from Utah's third district to task for spreading the "rumor" that Allahu Akbar was shouted by the Trolley Square Shooter before his death. There are a number of Freepers who have looked into this issue and have strong indications that this Islamic war cry is on the video tape recorded by Mr. Danise who found himself inside Trolley Square the night of this horrible terrorist attack.
This Freeper (author) has contacted the Doug Wright Show (the talk show where Mr Cannon made his claim) at KSL and informed the show that indeed many of us believe that Allahu Akbar is on that tape.
Also the author has contacted the office of Rep. Cannon to let him know that there is good evidence to support his clam and that we just want the video evaluated to a firm conclusion. We are waiting to see what happens from here.
More info as it becomes available.
Why not just ask the cops on scene?
It sounded like it at first listen, any honest person has to admit that. Any honest person also has to admit that it is not present in the middle of the video.
Roger Hedgecock, while filling in for Rush Limbaugh, read a list of "incidents" involving Muslims. It was amazing how many have occurred, and yet the press does not report the perpetrators as Muslims. Is Homeland Security censoring the news reports?
I hope nothing happens to that tape.
My mom had no idea the kid was a muslim until I told her yesterday. I feel like we are in Oz and people are saying to not pay attention to the man behind the curtain.
Don't worry, they will find some Rosemary Woods to check it out.
I wonder how many people have no idea who she was!
Why would the government have to censor the news? The MSM does a fine job all by itself.
... there is good evidence to support his clam ...
"Clams" need our support, too.
Claims? That's another story.
It will take about 18 minutes to find out...
I feel exactly the same, up is down, black is white, loud is silence, sweet is sour. It is very difficult to maintain a sense of balance when the world seems to be spinning out of control.
Is this what you were looking for?
Covering for Islam
By Robert Spencer
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 22, 2007
On Sunday morning, a cab driver in Nashville named Ibrahim Ahmed picked up two college students, Andrew Nelson and Jeremy Invus, at a city bar and drove them to the campus of Vanderbilt University. Along the way, the three got into an argument, apparently leaving Ahmed enraged: after they paid their fare and left his cab, he tried to run down Nelson and Invus. Nelson eluded the cab, but Ahmed hit Invus, who was seriously injured.
What were they arguing about? The only widely available news reports on the incident are not very specific. Nashville’s WSMV reports that “a fight over religion became heated.” Newschannel 5, also of Nashville, has little more to add: “Police said Ibrahim Ahmed chased down visiting students Jeremy Invus and Andrew Nelson after an argument over religion.” Associated Press has it that “police said he ran over one of his passengers after they got into a religious argument.”
What kind of religious argument? A comparison of the relative capacity of Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism to transport its adherents to Nirvana? A discussion of whether or not Mark 16:18 justifies snake-handling? An examination of Reform and Orthodox Judaism? There’s no telling. Neither WSMV nor Newschannel 5 nor AP give any details about the argument. And all we learn about Ibrahim Ahmed himself is that he worked for United Cab, and that he was charged with assault and attempted homicide, as well as theft, since it turns out that his cab was sporting a stolen license plate. We’re also told that he has previous convictions for “evading arrest in a motor vehicle” and “driving on a suspended license.” But about who Ibrahim Ahmed is, and what may have led him to try to kill two of his passengers because of an argument, we hear nothing at all.
One might suggest to the Nashville news outlets, as well as to AP, that Ibrahim Ahmed’s religion, as well as that of Andrew Nelson and Jeremy Invus, would be relevant to this story, and may help readers understand how a religious argument could turn murderous. After all, AP has not shied away from reporting on the religion of perpetrators of crimes in another recent case. Around the same time that Ibrahim Ahmed was running down Jeremy Invus, a man in Chicago apparently bludgeoned three women – a woman, her stepsister, and their mother -- to death and attempted to kill himself. AP doesn’t give the suspect’s name, but does tell us that according to a neighbor and ex-husband of one of the victims, “the family was Assyrian Christian, a minority group in Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria.” Is religion involved in this case? Did the murderer kill his victims because of some imperative he believed arose from his Christian faith? That seems unlikely: AP also says it was a “domestic dispute,” and notes that “the couple had been having marital problems.” The Chicago Tribune adds that the suspect, Daryoush Ebrahami, “felt ‘disrespected’ by the women, who had told him ‘he was not a man.’”
So why is Ebrahami’s Christian faith relevant? The Tribune tells us that he was recently granted asylum on the basis of the possibility that as an Assyrian Christian, he could face religious persecution in Iran. That is an interesting detail, albeit irrelevant to the murders, but it is absent from AP’s piece -- which mentions Ebrahami’s Christianity anyway.
Now compare that to the initial AP report about the Salt Lake mall shootings: “Police: Teen Shot Mall Victims at Random,” by Jennifer Dobner. All we learn about Sulejman Talovic beyond his name is that he was a “trench coat-clad teenager” who lived with his mother.
Now, when people point out that the religion of nominally Christian murderers isn’t noted in news stories, and that Talovic’s religion should therefore not have been either, they are assuming that in both instances religion played no factor in the killing, and was hence an irrelevant detail. However, while it is extraordinarily unlikely that Ebrahami killed his victims in the name of Jesus Christ, or would attempt to justify the killings by reference to Christ’s teachings, it was at very least a possibility that Talovic, like so many others around the world every day, as well as other lone jihadists in the U.S. like Mohammad Reza Taheri-azar, killed in the name of Allah and with justification from the Qur’an and Sunnah. That’s why Talovic’s religion at least merited a mention, and some investigation.
The FBI has ruled out Islamic terrorism as a factor in the Talovic killings. One hopes that agents have done so after sufficient consideration of the possibility – which seems to have been absent from other cases with some similarities to that of Talovic. But in the wake of this, some have rushed to condemn me and others who publicly noted the mainstream media’s reluctance to identify Talovic as a Muslim, and to explore the possibility that his killings were jihad-related. This criticism was misplaced, for that reluctance is real, but it does not apply to all religions – as the Ahmed and Ebrahami cases show. Ibrahim Ahmed is, of course, probably a Muslim, and his murderous rage may have been reinforced by Islam’s belief that those who insult Islam have forfeited their right to live. The refusal of the Associated Press even to consider such possibilities, and its inconsistency in doing so, is readily apparent.
All this becomes even more noteworthy in light of the recent revelation that Ali Abu Kamal, who killed one person and injured six in a shooting at the Empire State Building in 1997, “wanted to punish the U.S. for supporting Israel” – according to the New York Daily News. The explanation that has prevailed for ten years was that Abu Kamal was despondent after losing a large sum of money, but the killer’s daughter now says that Palestinian officials fabricated that story in order so as not to “harm the peace agreement with Israel.” She added that she tried to make his actual goal known, but no one was interested: “When we wanted to clarify that to the media, nobody listened to us.”
The media should start listening, and stop covering up details that may be pertinent to the cases they report. While Sulejman Talovic may not have been a jihadist, and Ibrahim Ahmed may not be one, in their selective disclosure of the facts they may find themselves covering up for the next jihadist who does strike. And they may already have done so.
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I don't think the MSM is smart enough to cover it up. They are just lazy in their coverage. Now if there is some sort of "national security" edict that says news media is not to reveal the religious backgrounds of any terrorist activities within the U.S., we need to know. They are likely fearful of a civil religious war by the general public against Muslims.
Thanks for posting that!
The Guvment knows we can't handle the truth...... that it is witholding the truth from us.
Guvment is so stupid it believes that ignorance is bliss.
lol
Yep. And, didn't the head nutjobs in the cult of death start calling for individuals to start carrying out there own terror attacks? I seem to recall something about that in the past few months. They must laugh at out PC country that is so hellbent on being fair, we are not even noticing the details. The msm is all too eager to lead the head in the sand reporting.
This infuriates me. What do they think? Those who chose to live in rural areas are mentally defunct? Choosing to live in an area with virtually no crime, gangs or violence, an area that still supports traditional values and the American way of life makes me and my children stupid and poor? I don't think so.
I totally agree.
There is much more at http://americancongressfortruth.org/
Click on the archives.
I confess my ignorance. Who is Rosemary Woods?
It could also be, for whatever reasons, the press just doesn't think the fact that he was muslim is important. I also think a certain amount of fear is involved, as the press doesn't want groups like CAIR coming down on their throats claiming discrimination.
I'll bet one in ten can't tell you who is Rosemary Woods.
Thank you so much!
Yes, that shows some real serious backbone on the part of the press.
You are most welcome!
The woman who supposedly erased the 18+ minutes from the Nixon tapes.
I'm an honest person and I couldn't make ANY sense of his words, nor could a native Serbian speaker hereon.
In the very middle of the KUTV video, it is not the shooter's words, but the off-duty officer's - "OPD! Come on up! Come on up!" If you fix those words in mind while listening through quality speakers or a headphone, it becomes clear.
The off-duty Ogden (OPD) officer was standing on the upper level of the mall, and calling out to the responding SLC police officers.
Make copies.......lots of copies. Once it gets to the authorities, it will disappear.
"Make copies.......lots of copies. Once it gets to the authorities, it will disappear."
You know.. I don't know what worries me more. The fact we have Muslims conducting individual acts of terrorism or the fact our government insists nothing is happening.
I agree with you. In fact I've suggested that the words that sound to some like allah akbar are in fact "Ogden officer" said hurridly so he wouldn't be shot by the other officers responding.
It could even be another officer telling a third officer that the armed man was an Ogden officer, after the words 'OPD" were issued.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208244,00.html
There's the link.
I thought they did buy them, in WV no less! You have a great idea about making our own database of stories.
Yes It happened in Michigan.
WV:
Grafton, W.Va.: Two weeks ago a 24-year old Arabic man, Hashem Sayed, was arrested with nearly 200 cell phones, according to local police. Sayed is currently being investigated for suspected terrorism-related activity and is allegedly connected to two other men arrested in Marietta, Ohio.
I'm 40, but have a notoriously bad memory for names. Thanks for the memory jogger!!!
Thanks. It's scary and I think tracking these cases is worthwhile. Think of it as Freeper legal case management, lol.
Here's one that is a companion to the Robert Spencer article in this thread. As appalling as it is, it is still an incomplete listing of "lone Muslim" terrorists.
http://www.rayra.net/5th_Columnists/Jihadists/Sudden_Jihad_Syndrome/sudden_jihad_syndrome.html
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