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Scientific Team Finds On Of World's Oldest Cities
Expatica ^ | 2-22-2007

Posted on 02/22/2007 10:52:14 AM PST by blam

Scientific team finds one of world's oldest cities

22 February 2007

MADRID - A Spanish scientific team found one of the world's oldest cities, thought to be about 5,500 years old, in Syria.

The discovery, based on pottery fragments and other ceramics found at the site, was announced in Madrid by two of the scientists in charge of the investigation, Ignacio Marquez of Spain's CSIC scientific research council and Juan Luis Moreno of the Universidad de La Coruña.

According to reports, the find is of "the highest level" of scientific importance because of its ramifications for the understanding of history and for the multiple lines of future research it opens up in many fields.

The Hispanic-Syrian archeological work is being carried out at Tal Humeada, some 150 kilometers (93 miles) from the border with Iraq on the left bank of the Euphrates River.

Last summer, archeologists found lying on the surface of the ground "a large number of (ceramic) bowls" that date from the period of the Uruk culture.

The Iraqi city of Uruk, in fact, is one of the oldest known having thrived between 3,500 and 3,100 B.C., and its culture is characterized by the production of very simple and roughly-made ceramic bowls, fashioned of clay and straw, like those discovered at Tal Humeada.

In addition, researchers found the oldest evidence of writing at the Uruk city-state complex, something that required moving back the boundary between "History, capitalized" and prehistoric times, Marquez said.

The neighboUrhoods of Uruk, as could be the case at Tal Humeada, contained temples, palaces and other large monuments that the Spanish scientists say they are confident they will discover at the new site once they begin to excavate it.

The hundreds of broken ceramic bowls or basins archeologists found at the site were probably used to hold workers' bread rations, a practice that was also used at Uruk.

The beginning of excavations at the new site are scheduled for sometime in 2008, given that the process for getting permission to conduct an archeological dig in Syria moves very slowly, experts say.

The Spanish scientists hope to find evidence of the beginning of agriculture, since the Uruk culture was characterized by the presence of agricultural settlements outside its cities.

Near the city there is a necropolis - a huge cemetery or "city of the dead" - in which it is calculated there could be up to 1,000 tombs, 160 of which have already been located.

One of them, which was not looted in antiquity like many others were, has been subjected to a "scientific investigation" by the Spanish team, which determined that it was a 6th-century grave containing human remains, arrowheads, fragments of rings and many beaded necklaces.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; godsgravesglyphs; oldest; scientific; syria

1 posted on 02/22/2007 10:52:18 AM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 02/22/2007 10:52:43 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
I just realized that I have a tenuous grasp of "settlement" as opposed to "cities". Are these moving targets? or do archeologists have their own private language?

That sounds positively modern, that 5500 years... Here they are, elsewhere arguing whether man has been in the Americas 12,000 or 25,000 years.

3 posted on 02/22/2007 10:57:45 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961

Well said.


4 posted on 02/22/2007 11:06:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam.

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5 posted on 02/22/2007 11:06:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Publius6961

The Great Pyramid in Egypt dates to about 3200 BC. Certainly Egyptian Cities predate this Syrian City?


6 posted on 02/22/2007 11:08:08 AM PST by Young Werther
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another site in Syria:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=hamoukar


7 posted on 02/22/2007 11:08:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Young Werther

The Great Pyramid in Egypt dates to about 2500 BC. :')


8 posted on 02/22/2007 11:15:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Publius6961
I have a tenuous grasp of "settlement" as opposed to "cities". Are these moving targets? Most definitely moving targets.
I believe that historically what denoted the difference between City, Town, and Village was the legal relationship the settlement had to the surrounding jurisdictions. Today in many ways these terms can be used interchangeably although they do connote differences in size of the community.
9 posted on 02/22/2007 11:21:08 AM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: blam

Aren't those the guys who had it in for Frodo?


10 posted on 02/22/2007 11:23:03 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: william clark

Q: How do you make an Uruk Hai?

A: First you roll a gre-e-e-e-at big joint....


11 posted on 02/22/2007 11:26:28 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to islam since 1959)
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To: Publius6961
Too many uses of the word "scientific" in this article for my tastes. In my experience, constant repetition of that term means someone is doing something that has little, or no resemblance to science.

Also, did anyone else notice this "typo"?

 The neighboUrhoods of Uruk,

Looks to me like a punster struck. :-)

 

12 posted on 02/22/2007 11:33:18 AM PST by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: SunkenCiv; Young Werther
IIRC the cities of the Indus Valley are older than this as well...
13 posted on 02/22/2007 11:33:32 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin; Young Werther

And Catal Huyuk, a site in Turkey, was a going concern for about three thousand years, and was *abandoned* in 5500 BC. :')

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1789319/posts?page=13#13


14 posted on 02/22/2007 11:36:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Be careful, somewhere in that city is where Helen Thomas went to high school...


15 posted on 02/22/2007 11:39:56 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi, I'm the DREAD PIRATE ROBERTS! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sigh, why are there never any photos accompanying such articles?


16 posted on 02/22/2007 11:50:38 AM PST by Ciexyz (Amazing Grace the film, in theaters Feb 23rd, about abolishing slave trade in Britain.)
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To: GreenLanternCorps; Ciexyz
GreenLanternCorps: Be careful, somewhere in that city is where Helen Thomas went to high school...

Ciexyz: Sigh, why are there never any photos accompanying such articles?
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17 posted on 02/22/2007 11:54:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
The discovery, based on pottery fragments and other ceramics found

So, they find a broken pot, and call it a city? It was probably a pot stolen from the museum in Baghdad. They sure jump to conclusions quick, don't they...

Maybe it's the lost city of Aad (which never existed) Mohammad mentions in his koran.

18 posted on 02/22/2007 12:00:44 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: blam
The Spanish scientists hope to find evidence of the beginning of agriculture

Simple. Just look for the first brewery.

19 posted on 02/22/2007 12:06:24 PM PST by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: blam

I think that in terms of "cities" and "civilization" the city of Ur in ancient Sumer is still the champ, having hit its cultural peak at about 4,500 B.C.


20 posted on 02/24/2007 4:33:20 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Isn't Jerhico about 8,000 years old, or 6,000 BC?


21 posted on 02/24/2007 5:05:47 PM PST by Lynne
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To: Lynne

Here is where the rules get sketchy. I think and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but to qualify a civilization has to have a central government, be stable, i.e. non-nomadic, have a written as well as a spoken language and a defined culture.


22 posted on 02/25/2007 8:07:53 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Thanks. I don't know much about it, but I recall seeing pictures of one of Jerhico's brick or stone structures. I would think you would need some kind of cultural organization to build that kind of structure.


23 posted on 02/25/2007 5:39:04 PM PST by Lynne
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To: Jimmy Valentine

Thanks. I don't know much about it, but I recall seeing pictures of one of Jerhico's brick or stone structures. I would think you would need some kind of cultural organization to build that kind of structure.


24 posted on 02/25/2007 5:39:19 PM PST by Lynne
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25 posted on 07/29/2011 10:41:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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