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What is wrong with intelligent design?
EurekAlert! ^ | 22-Feb-2007 | Suzanne Wu

Posted on 02/22/2007 6:22:34 PM PST by Boxen

In a thought-provoking paper from the March issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology , Elliott Sober (University of Wisconsin) clearly discusses the problems with two standard criticisms of intelligent design: that it is unfalsifiable and that the many imperfect adaptations found in nature refute the hypothesis of intelligent design.

Biologists from Charles Darwin to Stephen Jay Gould have advanced this second type of argument. Stephen Jay Gould's well-known example of a trait of this type is the panda's thumb. If a truly intelligent designer were responsible for the panda, Gould argues, it would have provided a more useful tool than the stubby proto-thumb that pandas use to laboriously strip bamboo in order to eat it.

ID proponents have a ready reply to this objection. We do not know whether an intelligent designer intended for pandas to be able to efficiently strip bamboo. The "no designer worth his salt" argument assumes the designer would want pandas to have better eating implements, but the objection has no justification for this assumption. In addition, Sober points out, this criticism of ID also concedes that creationism is testable.

A second common criticism of ID is that it is untestable. To develop this point, scientists often turn to the philosopher Karl Popper's idea of falsifiability. According to Popper, a scientific statement must allow the possibility of an observation that would disprove it. For example, the statement "all swans are white" is falsifiable, since observing even one swan that isn't white would disprove it. Sober points out that this criterion entails that many ID statements are falsifiable; for example, the statement that an intelligent designer created the vertebrate eye entails that vertebrates have eyes, which is an observation.

This leads Sober to jettison the concept of falsifiability and to provide a different account of testability. "If ID is to be tested," he says, "it must be tested against one or more competing hypotheses." If the ID claim about the vertebrate eye is to be tested against the hypothesis that the vertebrate eye evolved by Darwinian processes, the question is whether there is an observation that can discriminate between the two. The observation that vertebrates have eyes cannot do this.

Sober also points out that criticism of a competing theory, such as evolution, is not in-and-of-itself a test of ID. Proponents of ID must construct a theory that makes its own predictions in order for the theory to be testable. To contend that evolutionary processes cannot produce "irreducibly complex" adaptations merely changes the subject, Sober argues.

"When scientific theories compete with each other, the usual pattern is that independently attested auxiliary propositions allow the theories to make predictions that disagree with each other," Sober writes. "No such auxiliary propositions allow … ID to do this." In developing this idea, Sober makes use of ideas that the French philosopher Pierre Duhem developed in connection with physical theories – theories usually do not, all by themselves, make testable predictions. Rather, they do so only when supplemented with auxiliary information. For example, the laws of optics do not, by themselves, predict when eclipses will occur; they do so when independently justified claims about the positions of the earth, moon, and sun are taken into account.

Similarly, ID claims make predictions when they are supplemented by auxiliary claims. The problem is that these auxiliary assumptions about the putative designer's goals and abilities are not independently justified. Surprisingly, this is a point that several ID proponents concede.

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Sober, Elliott. "What is Wrong with Intelligent Design," The Quarterly Review of Biology: March 2007.

Since 1926, The Quarterly Review of Biology has been dedicated to providing insightful historical, philosophical, and technical treatments of important biological topics.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creationisminadress; crevo; crevolist; evolution; fsmdidit; goddidit; id; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign; itsapologetics
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To: Boxen

wow. u r all .... something. just not sure what.

id is a philosophy/ideology, evo is a scientific theory. apples and oranges. get over it.


61 posted on 02/22/2007 8:34:23 PM PST by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: Westbrook
Very well stated.

I have also noticed the similarity between the typical evolutionist and "liberal" style of dealing with new information that may conflict with their world view.

Darwin did an excellent job selling his theory; he presented a purely abstract idea and convinced people by relating his ideas to known qualities in their lives. He then suggested they would have to reject all these known facts in order to reject his theory.

Here is a very interesting interview about Darwin's style.

http://www.uctv.tv/library-test.asp?showID=7007

When you start to investigate the claims of the theory it completely falls apart. Much like the typical liberal beliefs regarding economics, social policy, foreign policy etc.
62 posted on 02/22/2007 8:34:56 PM PST by be4everfree (Liberals are "Thick as a Brick" ......JT)
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To: Panzerfaust

and who designed the designer, or how has it come into being? has it naturally evolved?
postulating a designer, you will run into the reductio ad infinitum fallacy


63 posted on 02/22/2007 8:35:31 PM PST by GSlob
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To: unlearner
Funny you should mention the "Hand of the Lord"! It seems that the "First Hand" made the letters!



Stan Tenen shows how all the Hebrew letters can be made by projecting this "hand" onto a two-dimensional surface. When we talk about these things, we have to use models and projections of higher-dimensional things into the world as we understand it. That is not making idols, unless you worship them.
64 posted on 02/22/2007 8:39:03 PM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Rudder


> You lost me right at this point.

Indeed, and you just proved mine.

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65 posted on 02/22/2007 9:02:34 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Boxen
A second common criticism of ID is that it is untestable.

The author should have said parenthetically (see previous paragraph).

I think Sober has it wrong. The problem with ID as a scientific theory is that it makes no predictions. Take his example that the statement that an intelligent designer created the vertebrate eye entails that vertebrates have eyes, which is an observation. Vertebrates having eyes is not a prediction of that statement, it is baked in.

Alternatively one could view this lack of predictiveness as a lack of explanatory power.

66 posted on 02/22/2007 9:13:15 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: taxesareforever

You seem to have a problem with scientists conferring and peer reviewing their work?

Checking and double checking and testing hypothesis is how you get to a sound answer.

Or, you could wave a few snakes and claim its a miracle. Or beat a drum and wave a stick at evil, or summon the sun god and make a sacrifice to ward off bad intent....


67 posted on 02/22/2007 9:16:32 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook. Teach Evolution!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Or, you could wave a few snakes and claim its a miracle. Or beat a drum and wave a stick at evil, or summon the sun god and make a sacrifice to ward off bad intent....

Or you could read the Bible.

68 posted on 02/22/2007 9:26:20 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Boxen
Stephen Jay Gould's well-known example of a trait of this type is the panda's thumb. If a truly intelligent designer were responsible for the panda, Gould argues, it would have provided a more useful tool than the stubby proto-thumb that pandas use to laboriously strip bamboo in order to eat it.

Yet the Panda survives when 99.9% of all species are extinct, not too bad.

The human body itself proves we where designed, and by an engineer no less, for only an engineer would run the sewage waste system through a playground.

69 posted on 02/22/2007 9:28:32 PM PST by RJL
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To: taxesareforever

Ot the Koran, or the Talmud, or the Baghavad-Gita, or whatever the hell else.

Otherwise, you're just engaging in "my god can beat up your god." That gets real boring real fast.


70 posted on 02/22/2007 9:31:38 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: grey_whiskers

FOTFL


71 posted on 02/22/2007 9:32:43 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: ReignOfError
Otherwise, you're just engaging in "my god can beat up your god." That gets real boring real fast

You got it all wrong. My (God)trumps all other (g)ods. Get it? Besides, all other gods require acts to be accomplished in order to get to wherever they are supposed to go. Those that follow those other gods never know whether they have done enough. Pretty depressing if you ask me.

72 posted on 02/22/2007 9:49:09 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

I assume you are referring to the "religious consensus" that marks the mindset of evolutionists, who, by the way, hold their theory to be unquestionably true and correct, and thus unfalsifiable.


73 posted on 02/22/2007 9:51:37 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: Boxen

1. America is not perfect.
2. But people sometimes say it is.
3. You can't trust that America is any good at all. SOCIALISM NOW.

1. Evolution can't explain where all of existence came from.
2. But people sometimes act like it does.
3. You can't trust that evolution explains anything at all. INTELLIGENT DESIGN NOW.

Just seems like a familiar argument, that's all.


74 posted on 02/22/2007 10:04:01 PM PST by Generic_Login_1787 (Just so there's no confusion, YAY AMERICA)
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To: edsheppa
I think Sober has it wrong. The problem with ID as a scientific theory is that it makes no predictions.

I thought that was his point. What am I missing?

75 posted on 02/22/2007 11:53:06 PM PST by curiosity
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To: grey_whiskers
But what was his A for?

It was not for using Boyle's Law, for that broke down in the first sentence :-)
76 posted on 02/23/2007 1:33:01 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: ReignOfError
Well, I'm sorry that creationists cannot see God's hand in evolution and the progress of life and intelligence and the human soul. Because if you are relying on a literal creation of Adam and Eve, a flood that killed all but one family, etc., the evidence certainly refutes you and there is no reason to discuss theories or "data points". You are relying on pure biblical faith, which is fine by the way. However, I am not a literal creationist.

I see the problem as an insistence that God is a very personal Creator, almost a human figure. God by any religion's definition is an all knowing all powerful mystical being whose nature and power are beyond anything we can imagine. That God created the enormous universe you make reference to, and that God set it in motion in whatever mysterious ways and for whatever mysterious reasons, we cannot begin to understand.

So if I want to look at evidence and science, my conclusion is that scientists and some faithful are both missing the boat. Scientists can't disprove God with a microscope nor should they try, and the faithful can't prove their version of God with analogies involving potholes.

Whatever we are, whatever the universe is, and whatever God is, these things have an undiscovered reality which exists beyond our ability to debate what makes theories work.

Just my thoughts.

77 posted on 02/23/2007 4:48:57 AM PST by Williams
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Unless someone specifically addresses a question or challenge to me, I'm too tired to put up with this stuff tonight.

I always think of you as challenged.

78 posted on 02/23/2007 5:05:53 AM PST by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: RJL

Bump for laughing later ...


79 posted on 02/23/2007 5:16:55 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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