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McCain Speech Spurs Culture War (Libs mad at McCain for appearing with intelligent design group)
The New York Times ^ | February 22, 2007 | Sarah Wheaton

Posted on 02/22/2007 8:30:16 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger

Senator John McCain will be in Seattle this Friday, where he’ll give an address, presented by the World Affairs Council and the CityClub of Seattle. [Updated for clarification:] The council’s release said Mr. McCain would talk about his “vision for the United States in the world.” It said he would answer questions such as:

What is the role of the U.S. in the global community? How should the U.S. position itself over the next decade? What are the challenges, and how should they be addressed? What are the future global impacts on Washington State?

[Update: 8 p.m. Danny Diaz, a spokesman for Senator McCain, clarified tonight that he would instead be talking about “Asian Economic Development Security.”]

The speech is prompting one liberal group to ask, “Is John McCain a creationist?” in an email to reporters.

The Campaign to Defend the Constitution, “an online grassroots movement combating the growing power of the religious right,” is upset because one of the ‘co-presenters’ of Mr. McCain’s lecture is the Discovery Institute. The think tank deals with a variety of issues, but it is best known for promoting intelligent design as an alternative theory to evolution.

DefCon, as the group calls itself, is asking supporters to send the G.O.P. presidential contender a letter “urging him to cancel his keynote address and acknowledge the dangers of promoting religious ideology in the science classroom.”

[Snip]

The campaign appears unlikely to honor the request.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Philosophy; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: antiscience; crevolist; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign; mccain
A quick check of this "Campaign to Defend the Constitution" finds that they are
Fighting to prevent the religious right from:

- Achieving absolute power over all branches of government and breaking all the rules to get it.

- Preventing scientific advancements in the fight against Parkinson's, diabetes and cancer

- Making medical decisions for women and reducing gay and lesbian Americans to second-class citizens.

- Making your end-of-life decisions for you, just as they sought to make Terry Schiavo's.

Among other things.

1 posted on 02/22/2007 8:30:23 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger
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To: DaveLoneRanger

what a coincidence, I am fighting the radical religious left for the very same reasons


2 posted on 02/22/2007 8:33:20 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: gobucks; mikeus_maximus; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; Elsie; LiteKeeper; AndrewC; Havoc; ...
More pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-homosexual Democrats for Darwin. As usual, they blur the lines between intelligent design and creationism, lumping them all into one big wad of goo they are sure you will detest. One of their advisers is former NARAL head Kate Michelman.
3 posted on 02/22/2007 8:34:46 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

4 posted on 02/22/2007 8:39:08 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
As usual, they blur the lines between intelligent design and creationism, lumping them all into one big wad of goo they are sure you will detest.

What is intelligent design?

It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology.

Bruce Bower, Science News, vol. 168 (Nos 26 & 27), 2006, p. 414.


5 posted on 02/22/2007 8:39:11 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
Do I really need to go back and give you the links to the numerous posts in which I underscore crucial differences between intelligent design and creationism? Obviously not, because you're going

6 posted on 02/22/2007 8:43:36 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The two lesbians that were arrested for trespassing on Focus on the Family property were connected to this leftwing group.
7 posted on 02/22/2007 8:45:20 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
So now McCain is suggesting he believes this ID crap?

The guy is insufferable.

He is the worst kind of pol....he'll turn around if elected and tell these clowns to shove it.

8 posted on 02/22/2007 8:45:29 PM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
promoting intelligent design as an alternative theory to evolution.

Creation was completely formed thousands of years before evolution/Darwin reared it's ugly head. Now they say..ID as an 'alternative' - too funny.
9 posted on 02/22/2007 8:46:11 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Oh no, that nasty ole Discovery Institue. If only Darwin Central had sponsored this, there would be no outrage from the leftie loonies.


10 posted on 02/22/2007 8:50:32 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

"I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned," and now this. I always thought McCain was true RINO, but now I'm liking him more and more. Long way to go, though.


11 posted on 02/22/2007 8:52:41 PM PST by Tim Long (Two of my favorite creationists: Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:4) and Ronald Reagan)
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To: Tim Long

I wouldn't get too cozy with him just yet...


12 posted on 02/22/2007 8:53:26 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
religious ideology in the science classroom

"Science" - another laugh! Evo's and the 'rats/libs go hand in hand. Same mindset.

13 posted on 02/22/2007 8:56:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"...the dangers of promoting RELIGIOUS IDEOLOGY in the classroom..."

This is a crass attempt to denigrate religion from its spirituality to something merely political - an "ideology".

The First Amendment states unambiguously that government is to keep its hands off religion - this group assuredly wants exactly the opposite, ultimately for the government to regulate and even forbid religion.

Classical Marxism-Leninism.

14 posted on 02/22/2007 8:58:47 PM PST by mtntop3 (u)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Do I really need to go back and give you the links to the numerous posts in which I underscore crucial differences between intelligent design and creationism?

You can post whatever you want. You are doing apologetics (defense of religion), which in the last couple of decades includes both intelligent design and creationism.

Intelligent design is just a dodge to try to get around the Supreme Court decision of the late 1980s which bounced creation "science" out of the classrooms. (See the Wedge Strategy).

I prefer science myself.

15 posted on 02/22/2007 9:04:19 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
The real Coyoteman has been on an extended leave for months, and has left this artificial intelligence post-o-tron to compile traces of previous posts, compile them in an "original" form and repost them. Just like evolution, all I see is resorting and loss. Nothing new, and certainly nothing beneficial.

The Coyote is seen for what he truly is.
16 posted on 02/22/2007 9:18:45 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
While there are some small differences between creationism and ID (most of them having to do with acceptance or denial of geologic time) Neither coyote, nor the secular left is wrong to point out the similarities. The most important of which is that in order for ID to be correct there MUST be a designer. Unfortunately, ID can't make any kind of claims as to WHICH designer. To ID theory Brahma or Odin is as acceptable an answer as the Christian God. However every group I know of driving the ID movement is declaratively Christian. This, ultimately leads to the most important aspect of creationism (humans are created in the image of God). Until such time as ID can a)come up with a coherent theory and b)Move away from Christianity, it is entirely acceptable to think of it as Creationisms slightly less crazy younger brother.
17 posted on 02/22/2007 9:37:32 PM PST by 49th (This space for rent.)
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To: 49th

I think you nailed it.

And I have no clue as to where McCain stands on ANYTHING.

Although I suspect that he stands for whatever will get him elected.


18 posted on 02/22/2007 9:52:15 PM PST by edweena
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To: edweena

McCain is a dirty, conniving, snake bastard. He wins, we leave Iraq. We leave Iraq and it turns into a seething hotbed of terrorist training camps shortly after it becomes a fundamentalist Islamic state and formally establishes good relations with Iran.

Though, the way popular opinion is swinging I think that whichever party wins the troops will be home before the mission is done.


19 posted on 02/22/2007 10:03:56 PM PST by 49th (This space for rent.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Maybe the MSM will finalized realize that McCain is actually registered as a Republican. They keep forgetting that he promised to suck to us to before he promised to suck up to the MSM.


20 posted on 02/22/2007 10:34:06 PM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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Failed efforts to get creationism taught in science classrooms, caused a rethink of the whole thing by it's proponents. After some time, "Creationism" got repackaged and peddled as "Intelligent Design". Having failed that, (recently in Dover, Pa), they have to regroup again. I'm sure that in a few years, "ID" will be repackaged as something else, and another effort will be made to inject it into school science classrooms. They're only kidding themselves.

They aren't doing the work required. They want to bypass the research, the testing, the peer review, and the scientific consensus, (the arduous process by which all other science ends up in a science classroom and textbook), and do an end-run, straight to the classrooms.

DO THE WORK REQUIRED!!!



21 posted on 02/22/2007 11:00:10 PM PST by John Hopkins
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To: zarf
So now McCain is suggesting he believes this ID crap?

Here's part of the formal announcement about McCain's speech, this from the Discovery Institute website:

What is the role of the U.S. in the global community? How should the U.S. position itself over the next decade? What are the challenges, and how should they be addressed? What are the future global impacts on Washington State? United States Senator John McCain will address these topics of global relevance and their relation to the Puget Sound region at the Westin Hotel in Seattle on Friday, February 23 from 12:00 to 1:30 p.m.

So, he's not even talking about ID. But thank you for your kneejerk response.

22 posted on 02/22/2007 11:14:01 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: My2Cents
But thank you for your kneejerk response.

I learned that on FR %^)

23 posted on 02/22/2007 11:22:58 PM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Making your end-of-life decisions for you, just as they sought to make Terry Schiavo's.

One judge ordering anyone's death without a trial by a jury of their peers is fascism...

24 posted on 02/23/2007 3:38:10 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Great post, and humorous!!!

25 posted on 02/23/2007 7:11:53 AM PST by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: Tim Long
"now I'm liking him (McCain) more and more"

Its true that McCain has some good qualities, but his bad qualities are REAL bad. When can we get someone who embodies all that we believe (NOT liberal darwiniwn either - Coyoteman and the others are libs in disguise). There are lots of good folks out there (Michelle Malkin, Hannity, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter etc.) just not in politics.
26 posted on 02/24/2007 5:12:51 AM PST by razzle
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