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Does anyone have familiarity with this report?  It pre-dates me becoming politically aware by a couple of years (and my memory isn't that great anyway), but I've never heard it referenced before.

Owl_Eagle

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it was probably just a joke.


1 posted on 02/23/2007 7:06:30 AM PST by South Hawthorne
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I have heard things along these lines from time to time over the past several years. I do not think this is "new" news. I think this is "old" news that's been recycled.

The clear implication, of couirse, is that "It's America's Fault", or "We are being hypocritical".

IIRC, there apparently are some legitimate uses for some of the materials that the US has been alleged to have sent to Iraq.

Also, you need to be careful about the phrase "The US sent" -- because I think some of this stuff was sent by US companies -- not a Government program -- and then you'd have to look to see how much Gov't oversight there was.

Then you also have to look to see if the stuff that was sent was useful for SOME kind of biological weapons reasearch, or the ACTUAL kind of research the Iraquis are claimed to have done.

Also, was everyone else sending this stuff too? If so, when and in what quantities?


2 posted on 02/23/2007 7:12:06 AM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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Vaccines? Vaccines are nothing but minute doses from the hair of the dog that bit you.
Other than that, it's not even an official document. I could write one saying just the opposite if I wanted to, and it would be just as valid.

Of course, we all know Dan Rather really, really had the actual document from Bush's National Guard records, too, right? The liberals said so. Would they lie?

3 posted on 02/23/2007 7:21:06 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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There's a great deal of these sorts of "biological materials" that are bought and sold around the world. They're used for agricultural research, development of treatments and whatnot. I think it's a fairly routine thing. They're not weapons.

To "weaponize" any strain is a more sophisticated process, and it doesn't so much matter where they got the reference strains they started with. They could have gotten them anywhere or used their own native strains.


4 posted on 02/23/2007 7:23:57 AM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Owl_Eagle
Unless they can give you the document number from the national archives, I'd ignore it.

(BTW, the Iraq war has just ended. How do I now? I just typed it into reality. It's now in the cyber space records as fact. Any questions?)

5 posted on 02/23/2007 7:27:19 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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Saddam used poison gas against Iran in the Iraq-Iran war and killed tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens with nerve gas and mustard gas in Kurdistan. If you do a search you'll find lots of photos, it was a big media story. The dead baby pictures made a lot of people mad.


6 posted on 02/23/2007 7:29:47 AM PST by cookcounty (ShaZam! Lee Hamilton now employed by Sandy Berger! stonebridge-international.com)
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From what I've read, they were innert harmless samples for use at university of Baghdad. Standard research material used in education facilities practically everywhere.

I don't think this was an issue anymore, just a failed smear attempt


7 posted on 02/23/2007 7:31:16 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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The below Senate Report was referenced to me by a liberal, and I'm not sure quite what to make of it

Back in the 1980s, we did indeed send Iraq several samples of various biological materials. However, they were sent to universities for (what Iraq asserted was) legitimate research purposes (primarily cattle vaccines). Unfortunately, Iraq diverted much of this material and research (and the researchers) to their biological warfare programs.

Iraq also obtained materials from a variety of other sources (Britain, France, Russia; although the latter were probably more weaponized strains), and in addition likely stole some samples from the US and other countries through student exchange programs (spies posing as students in our universities). While the materials they obtained via deception from us certainly helped them, the aid wasn't that significant in the grander scheme of things. As for anthrax (of which Iraq made over 8000 liters), it can be obtained by simply walking out into a typical field in the Midwest and picking up a hand full of dirt. Iraq never took this approach because it was easier to obtain samples via other means.

The bigger issue is that we know for a fact that Iraq had these weaponized stockpiles of various biological materials (we have even discovered a small number of a larger lot of scud warheads that were manufactured to deploy anthrax). These are clearly what most people would call "weapons of mass destruction" (i.e., nuclear, biological, or chemical). Yet the vast majority of the public still believes Iraq never had any such weapons. What is especially ironic is the doublethink of the Left, who simultaneously insists that the US armed Iraq with biological weapons that Iraq never had.

10 posted on 02/23/2007 8:44:48 AM PST by Technogeeb
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I dunno how much help this might be, but I recall having been involved some years ago on another forum (apparently now defunct) in a web discussion revolving around this issue. The allegation itself, that during the 1980's the US provided biologic agents to Iraq, as I recall stemmed from a 2003 Newsweek article, which was quoted in its entirety during some Senate hearing, by, I believe, West Virginia Democrat, former Klansman, and enthusiastic Bush-Basher Robert "Sheets" Byrd ... though at this remove, I could be wrong about who said what where when.

Anyhow, on seeing your post, I remembered that I had copied and saved a portion of that web discussion for possible later use - digging through my hard drives (and, damn ... I really gotta get better organization going there ;-P ), I came up with the quote I've pasted below. The upshot of the discussion was that the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention, evidently through a UN/World Health Organization program, provided to Iraqi medical research facilities a small quantity of biologics (mostly inert) and related analytic and diagnostic materials chiefly of use to the purpose of insect-borne and animal-borne disease control.

Though unfortunately I can't provide a link to that discussion, a circumstance rendering the following of dubious provenance, I offer an excerpt (of which I was not the author) from the saved portion of that discussion for your consideration and possible use and/or followup:

"Department of Health & Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA, June 21, 1995. Hon. Donald W. Riegle, Jr., U.S. Senate, Washington, DC.

Dear Senator Riegle: In 1993, at your request, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) forwarded to your office a listing of all biological materials, including viruses, retroviruses, bacteria, and fungi, which CDC provided to the government of Iraq from October 1, 1984, through October 13, 1993. Recently, in the course of reviewing our shipping records for a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request from a private citizen, we identified an additional shipment, on May 21, 1985, that was not included on the list that was provided to your office. Following this discovery, we conducted a thorough review of all of our shipping records and are confident that we have now included a listing of all shipments. A corrected list is enclosed (Note: the new information is italicized) ...

AMERICAN TYPE CULTURE COLLECTION, CUSTOMER ACTIVITY DETAIL REPORT, FROM: 01/01/85 TO: 12/31/93; FOR: ALL CUSTOMERS, FOR COUNTRY: IRAQ

{Exhaustive list list and detailed tables snipped; total cash value approximately US $3000.00}

... Most of the materials were non-infectious diagnostic reagents for detecting evidence of infections to mosquito-borne viruses. Only two of the materials are on the Commodity Control List, i.e., Yersinin Pestis (the agent of plague) and dengue virus (the strain of plague bacillus was non-virulent, and CDC is currently petitioning the Department of Commerce to remove this particular variant from the list of controlled materials).

We regret that our earlier list was incomplete and appreciate your understanding.

Sincerely,

David Satcher, Director."

As I said, I'm sorry I can't provide a link (the forum on which the above appeared being no longer available), and I hasten to add anyone has every reason to be skeptical of unsourced documents, particularly when same are presented with redactions and/or editing, as was the above, but maybe with that much to go on you could dig up something useful in such regard via a websearch.

11 posted on 02/23/2007 9:53:21 AM PST by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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