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Mysterious bones of Jesus, Joseph and Mary
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | February 24, 2007 | By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem

Posted on 02/24/2007 9:14:06 AM PST by aculeus

In a scene worthy of a Dan Brown novel, archaeologists a quarter of a century ago unearthed a burial chamber near Jerusalem.

Inside they found ossuaries, or boxes of bones, marked with the names of Jesus, Joseph and Mary.

Then one of the ossuaries went missing. The human remains inside were destroyed before any DNA testing could be carried out.

While Middle East academics doubt that the relics belong to the Holy Family, the issue is about to be exposed to a blaze of publicity with the publication next week of a book.

Entitled The Jesus Tomb and co-written by Simcha Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino, the book promises the inside story of "what may very well be the greatest archaeological find of all time".

Some of the ossuaries will be at the book launch in New York, released by the Israel Antiquities Authority.

The story began in March 1980 when Yosef Gat, an archaeologist employed by the IAA, surveyed a burial chamber on the south-eastern approaches of Jerusalem.

The area was being developed into the latest suburb of the city, East Talpiot, and bulldozers had uncovered an archaeological site.

Mr Gat found a standard-looking Jewish tomb dating from the era of King Herod, the Jewish king known for his ambitious building works and for his murder of infants at the time of the birth of Jesus.

After crawling into the necropolis Mr Gat found the main chamber had been silted up with soil and debris, with six "kokhim", coffin shaped spaces leading off the main chamber where human remains were housed.

According to Jewish rites, bodies would be left for a year or so to decompose in the "kokhim" before relatives came back to gather the bones and store them in ossuaries.

Mr Gat found 10 ossuaries bearing inscriptions. Some were in ancient Greek and some were in Hebrew.

One inscription said "Jesus, son of Joseph", another said "Mara", a common form of Mary, and another said "Yose", a common form of Joseph.

The authors were unavailable for comment yesterday but it is understood they base their claim that the burial chamber contained the remains of the Holy Family on their own study carried out inside the structure.

The chamber has been closed for years because a building was constructed on top of it but the authors got permission to break through an apartment block floor.

They claim to have found human material on which they performed DNA testing in a New York laboratory.

"Tests prove the names are genetically of the same family and statistically, there is a one in 10 million chance this is a family other than the Holy Family," the pre-publication publicity for the book said.

However, according to strict Christian teaching, Jesus ascended to heaven, so there would be no bones left behind.

Mr Gat died several years ago. His boss, Prof Amos Kloner said that while the names together had "a certain power" they are standard.

"At least three other ossuaries have been found inscribed with the name Jesus and countless others with Joseph and Mary," he said.

The 10 ossuaries were taken initially to the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum outside the Old City of Jerusalem. Nine were catalogued and stored but the tenth was left outside in a courtyard.

That ossuary has subsequently gone missing.

The story went cold until two accounts of the discovery were published by Israeli academics in the mid 1990s. Prof Kloner wrote the second one in the IAA's in-house magazine Atiquot in 1996.

It sparked publicity, most notably a BBC programme shown that Easter produced by Ray Bruce called The Body In Question. However, Prof Kloner said there was no way the tomb housed the Holy Family.

"It is just not possible that a family who came from Galilee, as the New Testament tells us of Joseph and Mary, would be buried over several generations in Jerusalem."

However, in this Dan Brown era, we can't help wondering.


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1 posted on 02/24/2007 9:14:10 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus

Geez. I think that movie has already been made.


2 posted on 02/24/2007 9:17:25 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: aculeus

Gee...that sure was a convenient find.


3 posted on 02/24/2007 9:17:55 AM PST by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: aculeus; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; NYer; Tax-chick; Miss Didi; Suzy Quzy; Raquel; Kelly_2000
"It is just not possible that a family who came from Galilee, as the New Testament tells us of Joseph and Mary, would be buried over several generations in Jerusalem."

Got that right!

Bones of Jesus, Mary and Joseph?

I think someone has been dipping into the wine a wee bit too much.

4 posted on 02/24/2007 9:19:53 AM PST by Northern Yankee ( Stay The Course!)
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To: aculeus

The Jesus I know did not leave any bones as he was resurrected from the dead so I'll refrain from buying into the hype.


5 posted on 02/24/2007 9:20:42 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: Northern Yankee

...or subscribing to the theory that "there's one (or more) born every minute."


6 posted on 02/24/2007 9:21:47 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: aculeus
However, according to strict Christian teaching, Jesus ascended to heaven, so there would be no bones left behind.

Likewise, Mary was assumed body and soul into Heaven.

7 posted on 02/24/2007 9:25:39 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Math Teachers Know ALL the Angles!)
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To: aculeus

"Tests prove the names are genetically of the same family and statistically, there is a one in 10 million chance this is a family other than the Holy Family," the pre-publication publicity for the book said."

How many Marys were there in the gospels anyway? Were there any other women by name other than one Martha?

There was a time in England when fully half the men were named by six given names - the classic Tom, Dick and Harry, John and Robert.. and the same for women - Ann, Joan, Mary, Margaret...

Could well be the same in ancient Palestine.

Mrs VS


8 posted on 02/24/2007 9:26:53 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: aculeus
.... archaeologists a quarter of a century ago unearthed a burial chamber near Jerusalem. Inside they found ossuaries, or boxes of bones, marked with the names of Jesus, Joseph and Mary.

Those Mexicans sure get around. :-)

9 posted on 02/24/2007 9:28:43 AM PST by Polybius
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To: freeangel

"However, in this Dan Brown era, we can't help wondering.


See that quote? The same Dan Brown whose FICTIONAL book full of half-truths and outright lies which were easily disproved, yet still managed to fool the ill informed. In this Dan Brown era, facts be damned! If you can imagine it, then it must be true! Disclaimer! : The previous sentence only applies to Christianity, all other faiths are sacrosanct (especially islam).


10 posted on 02/24/2007 9:30:07 AM PST by John Philoponus
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To: Tanniker Smith
Likewise, Mary was assumed body and soul into Heaven.

I never heard that one before.
11 posted on 02/24/2007 9:30:46 AM PST by California74
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To: traderrob6

Funny..... I seem to have read those very same verses. I wonder how they'll reconcile the contradiction in the movie.


12 posted on 02/24/2007 9:32:36 AM PST by awakened (Remember -- There are no dead atheists.)
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To: aculeus

..some more blasphemous nonsense


13 posted on 02/24/2007 9:34:11 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
There was a time in England when fully half the men were named by six given names - the classic Tom, Dick and Harry, John and Robert.. and the same for women - Ann, Joan, Mary, Margaret... Could well be the same in ancient Palestine.

The index of The Works of Josephus includes several men named "Jesus" including a "Jesus, son of Saphat, ringleader of robbers".

14 posted on 02/24/2007 9:36:36 AM PST by Polybius
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To: aculeus

the telegraph also brought us this today

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1790315/posts

the telegraph and al jazeera, are they one and the same?


15 posted on 02/24/2007 9:37:02 AM PST by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process™ •)
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To: aculeus

I've noticed that these "discoveries" and THEORIES (e.g., denial of the Virgin Birth) always manage to rise to the top of the news cycle during Lent, Advent & Holy Week. They receive little notice; then they disappear, only to return at another time of importance to Christians. It's been going on for as long as I can remember...


16 posted on 02/24/2007 9:37:25 AM PST by Ike (My idea of election reform - blue fingers in Philadelphia!)
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To: California74

The assumption of the Virgin is Church tradition. It's not in the Bible and it's not in the Nicene Creed. It is, however, a very ancient tradition. I suppose we could all get into a huge theological argument about it but I doubt whether anyone in this community has the creds to do much besides rant about it.


17 posted on 02/24/2007 9:37:38 AM PST by Mercat
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To: aculeus

"Not possible. I have the bones in a box in my basement."

18 posted on 02/24/2007 9:40:44 AM PST by pabianice (LLY)
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To: California74
According to Catholic doctrine and the traditions of the Catholic Church, the Blessed Virgin Mary (Mary, the mother of Jesus) "having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory."

The quoted part was a decree by Pope Pius XII in 1950, but the story of Mary's death (or lack of Earthly death) go back to the early days of Christianity.

19 posted on 02/24/2007 9:41:22 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Math Teachers Know ALL the Angles!)
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To: aculeus

Sorry .. but Jesus was resurrected - BONES AND ALL - so there could never be any "bones" belonging to Jesus.

However, the bones of Abraham and Joseph are supposed to be burried near Hebron.


20 posted on 02/24/2007 9:44:50 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: WalterSkinner
The three names were as common as Lisa, John and Mike are today. Give me a break. Funny how it took 25 years for some enterprising anti-Christian hoaxter to find the routine info in some library and then - VOILA! We have a mystery and a cover-up.

Had there been ANY historical significance to the find, the archaeologists would have said something 25 years ago - ya think?

21 posted on 02/24/2007 9:50:21 AM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: CyberAnt

That's what I was thinking.


22 posted on 02/24/2007 9:50:52 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Remove the Seven Rules of Engagement, NOW!)
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To: pabianice

Charles Pellegrino...where have I heard that Name Before???


23 posted on 02/24/2007 9:51:13 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: aculeus

Easter is cancelled. They found the body.


24 posted on 02/24/2007 9:51:53 AM PST by Lexington Green (Medical Marijuana - - When ''Compassionate Conservative'' is an oxymoron.)
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Just wait, next we'll hear "counterfeit bones of the Holy Family suddenly appear in the
Bahamas."


25 posted on 02/24/2007 9:52:06 AM PST by newsie
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To: aculeus
"It is just not possible that a family who came from Galilee, as the New Testament tells us of Joseph and Mary, would be buried over several generations in Jerusalem."

That's what I would say. Why are they not searching for graves in the Galilee region?

26 posted on 02/24/2007 9:56:03 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo (If the Moon didn't exist, people would have traveled to Mars by now.)
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To: aculeus
Inside they found ossuaries, or boxes of bones, marked with the names of Jesus, Joseph and Mary.

In other news, near Chicago, they found caskets, or boxes of bones, marked with the names of David, Tom and Susan.

27 posted on 02/24/2007 9:57:59 AM PST by Fitzcarraldo (If the Moon didn't exist, people would have traveled to Mars by now.)
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To: aculeus

Wait, is this using science to try and disprove the existence of God? I thought that science could not do that?


28 posted on 02/24/2007 10:00:26 AM PST by Ironfocus
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To: aculeus

Yeah right! I just finished this book last night, it is called the Templar Legacy(NYT Bestseller right now)and is pure fiction.
Looks like a copycat faux Christian tale that was fabricated just to ruffle peoples feathers.
I am awaiting the book where the remains of MoHAMed wearing a suicide belt are found next.


29 posted on 02/24/2007 10:04:03 AM PST by JerseyDvl (STOP - Hildabeast, Shrillary, Hitlery, Billary, Her Thighness, Sen. Cankles, Dukakis-in-Drag)
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To: aculeus

No doubt, History Channel and Discovery and the usual anti-Christian mouthpieces are frothing to have the usual anti-Christ specials on the topic. Makes no difference how farfetched it is.


30 posted on 02/24/2007 10:05:50 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Tanniker Smith
Likewise, Mary was assumed body and soul into Heaven.

RC myth, not in scripture. As was her supposed Immaculate Conception.

Only Jesus ascended. Only Jesus was born without sin.
31 posted on 02/24/2007 10:07:11 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: aculeus

The biggest shame of this article is that it is even posted on Free Republic.


32 posted on 02/24/2007 10:09:57 AM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: perez24

...and loss.


33 posted on 02/24/2007 10:17:42 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of too many "R"s.)
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To: John Philoponus
See that quote?

Yes and placed at the end by design - in an attempt to 'tie it all together' for the mindless robots. Propaganda is alive and well and make no bones about it! :)
34 posted on 02/24/2007 10:19:30 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Fitzcarraldo

Any marked Jimmy?


35 posted on 02/24/2007 10:24:48 AM PST by presently no screen name
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"The human remains inside were destroyed before any DNA testing"

So were the remains of those aliens in that video....

Too convienent.

Those names were fairly common werent they (and Jesus in Hebrew is Joshua....)
36 posted on 02/24/2007 10:32:56 AM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: aculeus

How did yesterday's thread go? Several posts were deleted by the Mods, so it may have been interesting to a few.


37 posted on 02/24/2007 10:34:37 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: aculeus
One inscription said "Jesus, son of Joseph", another said "Mara", a common form of Mary, and another said "Yose", a common form of Joseph.

Why, then, didn't Jesus's ossuary read, "Jesus, son of Yose"?

38 posted on 02/24/2007 10:38:19 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: traderrob6
The Jesus I know did not leave any bones as he was resurrected from the dead so I'll refrain from buying into the hype.

That is the one I know also and in fact, there would be no Christianity if Jesus did not raise from the dead and ascend into heaven. That is the central tenet of the Christian belief. And I might add it is the reason that this sort of crap pops up every so often, it is to undermine the christian belief and strengthen secular belief. No doubt about it.

39 posted on 02/24/2007 10:39:25 AM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: aculeus
One inscription said "Jesus, son of Joseph", another said "Mara", a common form of Mary, and another said "Yose", a common form of Joseph.

Only the most common names in the area at the time. I also doubt one would say “Jesus”, the Latin form of Yeshua.

40 posted on 02/24/2007 10:41:31 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: traderrob6

I doubt one would say “Jesus”, the Latin form of Yeshua.


41 posted on 02/24/2007 10:42:23 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: George W. Bush
RC myth, not in scripture. As was her supposed Immaculate Conception.

Gee, thanks so much for that insight, GWB. And what college of theology did you graduate from? Nice way to insult all the Catholics on this board. How sweet.

42 posted on 02/24/2007 10:42:37 AM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: Northern Yankee
I think someone has been dipping into the wine a wee bit too much.

It was water when they started drinking...

43 posted on 02/24/2007 10:44:01 AM PST by null and void (Let's play 6° of global warming...)
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To: mc5cents
Nice way to insult all the Catholics on this board. How sweet.

Since the idea of such sinlessness and ascension by Mary was unknown in the uniform writings of the church fathers, there is no reason to believe it was any more than a myth, finally promulgated officially in the last hundred years. As was the doctrine of Mary as a co-redemptrix from sin by your last pope. But you can see how one builds from the other. It's quite transparent.
44 posted on 02/24/2007 10:48:14 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: California74
Likewise, Mary was assumed body and soul into Heaven. I never heard that one before.

It's a Catholic thing. We're taught that Mary ascended into heaven.

45 posted on 02/24/2007 10:54:33 AM PST by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: aculeus

Just tell them to keep digging and let us know when they find Mohammed's remains.


46 posted on 02/24/2007 11:02:41 AM PST by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: VeritatisSplendor
"Tests prove the names are genetically of the same family and statistically, there is a one in 10 million chance this is a family other than the Holy Family," the pre-publication publicity for the book said."

There really is one born every minute...

47 posted on 02/24/2007 11:04:03 AM PST by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: aculeus

blah, blah, blah...
Wouldn't they just give their eyeteeth and their children to debunk Jesus Christ.


48 posted on 02/24/2007 11:07:52 AM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
The quote you highlighted has another clue to the fraudulent nature ... 1 in 10 million based on 'genetics' but to what DNA someone could absolutely attribute to the lineage of Mary the Mother of Jesus? The fabrication assumes the ignorance of the audience, as all good scams do.
49 posted on 02/24/2007 11:18:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: George W. Bush

Yes Jesus ascended through his own power as God. Mary was assumed, not the same thing.


50 posted on 02/24/2007 11:19:53 AM PST by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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