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US generals ‘will quit’ if Bush orders Iran attack
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 02/25/07 | Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter

Posted on 02/24/2007 4:37:37 PM PST by Pokey78

SOME of America’s most senior military commanders are prepared to resign if the White House orders a military strike against Iran, according to highly placed defence and intelligence sources.

Tension in the Gulf region has raised fears that an attack on Iran is becoming increasingly likely before President George Bush leaves office. The Sunday Times has learnt that up to five generals and admirals are willing to resign rather than approve what they consider would be a reckless attack.

“There are four or five generals and admirals we know of who would resign if Bush ordered an attack on Iran,” a source with close ties to British intelligence said. “There is simply no stomach for it in the Pentagon, and a lot of people question whether such an attack would be effective or even possible.”

A British defence source confirmed that there were deep misgivings inside the Pentagon about a military strike. “All the generals are perfectly clear that they don’t have the military capacity to take Iran on in any meaningful fashion. Nobody wants to do it and it would be a matter of conscience for them.

“There are enough people who feel this would be an error of judgment too far for there to be resignations.”

A generals’ revolt on such a scale would be unprecedented. “American generals usually stay and fight until they get fired,” said a Pentagon source. Robert Gates, the defence secretary, has repeatedly warned against striking Iran and is believed to represent the view of his senior commanders.

The threat of a wave of resignations coincided with a warning by Vice-President Dick Cheney that all options, including military action, remained on the table. He was responding to a comment by Tony Blair that it would not “be right to take military action against Iran”.

Iran ignored a United Nations deadline to suspend its uranium enrichment programme last week. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insisted that his country “will not withdraw from its nuclear stances even one single step”.

The International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran could soon produce enough enriched uranium for two nuclear bombs a year, although Tehran claims its programme is purely for civilian energy purposes.

Nicholas Burns, the top US negotiator, is to meet British, French, German, Chinese and Russian officials in London tomorrow to discuss additional penalties against Iran. But UN diplomats cautioned that further measures would take weeks to agree and would be mild at best.

A second US navy aircraft carrier strike group led by the USS John C Stennis arrived in the Gulf last week, doubling the US presence there. Vice Admiral Patrick Walsh, the commander of the US Fifth Fleet, warned: “The US will take military action if ships are attacked or if countries in the region are targeted or US troops come under direct attack.”

But General Peter Pace, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said recently there was “zero chance” of a war with Iran. He played down claims by US intelligence that the Iranian government was responsible for supplying insurgents in Iraq with sophisticated roadside bombs, forcing Bush on the defensive over some of the allegations.

Pace’s view was backed up by British intelligence officials who said the extent of the Iranian government’s involvement in activities inside Iraq by a small number of Revolutionary Guards was “far from clear”.

Hillary Mann, the National Security Council’s main Iran expert until 2004, said Pace’s repudiation of the administration’s claims was a sign of grave discontent at the top.

“He is a very serious and a very loyal soldier,” she said. “It is extraordinary for him to have made these comments publicly, and it suggests there are serious problems between the White House, the National Security Council and the Pentagon.”

Mann fears the administration is seeking to provoke Iran into a reaction that could be used as an excuse for an attack. A British official said the US navy was well aware of the risks of confrontation and was being “seriously careful” in the Gulf.

The US air force is regarded as being more willing to attack Iran. General Michael Moseley, the head of the air force, cited Iran as the main likely target for American aircraft at a military conference earlier this month.

A senior defence source said the air force “could do a lot of damage to the country if there were no other considerations”. But army chiefs fear an attack on Iran would backfire on American troops in Iraq and lead to more terrorist attacks, a rise in oil prices and the threat of a regional war.

Britain is concerned that its own troops in Iraq might also be drawn into any American conflict with Iran, regardless of whether the government takes part in the attack.

Bush is still pursuing a diplomatic agreement with Iran — urged on by secretary of state Condoleezza Rice.

One retired general who participated in the “generals’ revolt” against Donald Rumsfeld’s handling of the Iraq war said he hoped his former colleagues would resign in the event of an order to attack. “We don’t want to take another initiative unless we’ve really thought through the consequences of our strategy,” he warned.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barbrastreisand; bravosierra; disinformation; duncanhunter; generalpace; generalsrevolt; gramsci; hillarymann; iran; iranrumormill; mann; mutiny; pentagon; perfumedprinces; peterpace; treason; unnamed; unnamedsources
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1 posted on 02/24/2007 4:37:38 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

Its the Press that wants an attack on Iran..they keep talking about it!


2 posted on 02/24/2007 4:38:25 PM PST by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: Pokey78

lol. more disinformation.


3 posted on 02/24/2007 4:39:11 PM PST by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: Pokey78

Fine, don't let the door hit you in the ass.


4 posted on 02/24/2007 4:39:21 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Pokey78

OH!!!!!!!! THE DRAMA!!!!!! LOL!


5 posted on 02/24/2007 4:39:34 PM PST by cmsgop ( Axis of Evil = Iran , North Korea , Rob and Amber)
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To: Pokey78

Name them!


6 posted on 02/24/2007 4:40:03 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Vote for RINOS, lose and complain by sending a self-abused stomped elephant.)
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To: Pokey78

Any general with that mindset should be retired now. There are strong young, and reliable men to take their place. Get the Clinton cadre out of here, sooner rather than later.


7 posted on 02/24/2007 4:40:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Pokey78

prosecute them for mutiny.


8 posted on 02/24/2007 4:41:27 PM PST by balch3
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Well, there's Wesley Clark. And the military expert paraded out on CNN . . .


9 posted on 02/24/2007 4:41:28 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Pokey78
Enemy propaganda.
10 posted on 02/24/2007 4:41:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: editor-surveyor

There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of generals and admirals available for each and every position.


11 posted on 02/24/2007 4:41:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Pokey78
SOME of America’s most senior military commanders are prepared to resign if the White House orders a military strike against Iran

Let them resign. They wouldn't be much good with such a bad attitude anyway.

12 posted on 02/24/2007 4:42:03 PM PST by mjp (I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. I want limited government and lower taxes.)
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To: Perdogg

So let then have nukes then is that it? That's what it's going to come down to, we either resign ourselves to the fact that nutburger isgoing to have an atomic bomb or we destroy his capability to produce one, it's that simple.


13 posted on 02/24/2007 4:42:08 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Pokey78

Quit or retire????


14 posted on 02/24/2007 4:42:27 PM PST by U S Army EOD (Support your local EOD Detachment)
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To: Pokey78

Yeah, right.


15 posted on 02/24/2007 4:42:33 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Pokey78

That's damn fine reporting by Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter;)


16 posted on 02/24/2007 4:42:35 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free. Hunter,Franks '08')
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To: Pokey78

Is there going to be a trial over who leaked this info with someone being prosecuted for not remembering where he first heard it.


17 posted on 02/24/2007 4:43:17 PM PST by honestfreedom69
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To: Pokey78

a source with close ties to British intelligence said????


18 posted on 02/24/2007 4:43:29 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: appealforcourage.org)
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To: editor-surveyor

anyone under consideration for general should have their political views investigated before being promoted. Those who are already generals should have the same done, and the ones deemed unreliable should be kicked out.


19 posted on 02/24/2007 4:43:54 PM PST by balch3
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To: Pokey78

Guess they "learnt" from more unnamed sources.


20 posted on 02/24/2007 4:44:02 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Pokey78

There's only one named quote from someone in the military, and it's only two words, "zero chance" with the author providing the context of the quote. I'm not sure this is the time to attack Iran, but without any named generals resigning, and the fact that in the Army you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a general, the talk of a general military revolt seems premature.


21 posted on 02/24/2007 4:44:02 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Why yes, I do have a stupid picture for any occasion)
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To: Pokey78

They need to go ahead and resign now then. Why wait?


22 posted on 02/24/2007 4:44:25 PM PST by CindyDawg (Duncan Hunter Tagline in process)
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To: Pokey78
according to highly placed defense and intelligence sources.

Unnamed sources don't hold much weight with me.

“There are four or five generals and admirals we know of who would resign if Bush ordered an attack on Iran,”

Any way to find out if they got their stars under Clinton's watch?

23 posted on 02/24/2007 4:44:31 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Pokey78

I do not have facts but just the feelings that the Israeli Generals in Israel will not quit. Still believe that any action against Iran will not be by us.


24 posted on 02/24/2007 4:44:36 PM PST by pennboricua
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To: Pokey78
Good. Clean out some clintonites. Now if we can get the ones in the pentagon to follow suit......
25 posted on 02/24/2007 4:44:47 PM PST by b4its2late (Liberalism is a hollow log and a mental disorder.)
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To: Pokey78

Dream on tabloid euroweenies. Name names or STFU.


26 posted on 02/24/2007 4:45:01 PM PST by TADSLOS (Iran is in the IED exporting business. Time to shut them down.)
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To: Pokey78

Its pretty tough to let diplomacy do its work, when your team keeps assuring Iran that, whatever we tell you, we're bluffing. Its like trying to play poker, and everyone can see your hand all the time.

I'm inclined to believe that this article is baloney. If its not, the generals and admirals being quoted should be fired and replaced with someone who can keep their mouths shut.


27 posted on 02/24/2007 4:46:25 PM PST by marron
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To: Pokey78

Who cares? Toss 'em out on their ears!

The military does what it's told to do, or they aren't military for long.


28 posted on 02/24/2007 4:47:07 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Pokey78
No sooner than the enemy opens their mouths do we digest their bile. May I be wise enough to know I am dumb, and control is far away from my hands. May the enemy think me dumb long enough to think I am unable to react prior to my witnessing his lifeless body before me after I've reacted. Welcome to the real world iran, you haven't the foggiest.
29 posted on 02/24/2007 4:48:06 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I would fire them, without retirement benefits.


30 posted on 02/24/2007 4:48:20 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: Pokey78

I tend to doubt it, but if it happens some Colonels will be very happy to put on new stars.


31 posted on 02/24/2007 4:48:34 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: Pokey78
a source with close ties to British intelligence said.

THIS is their source!

32 posted on 02/24/2007 4:50:17 PM PST by BunnySlippers (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT 2008)
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To: DakotaRed

Absolutely! I'm sure the military knows how to deal with people who cannot follow orders!


33 posted on 02/24/2007 4:51:06 PM PST by BunnySlippers (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT 2008)
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To: Pokey78

Anyone have the BS meter?


34 posted on 02/24/2007 4:51:25 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: Pokey78

Why wait, remove them now. Get some real men in there.


35 posted on 02/24/2007 4:52:03 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: LibKill

If this turns out to be true which is a big if, Bush ought to determine who these Generals and Admirals are and fire them immediately. The last thing we need is for our military leadership to feel like they can overide civilian control and pick and choose where they will serve.


36 posted on 02/24/2007 4:52:30 PM PST by traderrob6
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To: Pokey78
All the generals are perfectly clear that they don’t have the military capacity to take Iran on in any meaningful fashion.

What a load of crap.

We don't have the manpower to put boots on the ground and hold Iran.

We have far more than enough military capacity to decimate Iran without doing that.

The real concern is being able to put enough people on the ground to secure or destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities so the materials and technology don't fall into the hands of terrorists.

37 posted on 02/24/2007 4:53:30 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Pokey78
"highly placed defence and intelligence sources"

NAME your sources, you pukes!

The media no longer has any claim to integrity, honesty, objectivity or reliability and therefore ANY such story like this must be discarded as Scottish Barrister par Excellence Arlen Specter might say, 'not proven'.

If the Commander-in-Chief orders an attack on Iran, the military had damn well better comply. It's wartime, and IF there are such disgruntled officers such as this questionable article claims, they need to be reminded that a refusal to obey a lawful order can result in a general court martial and that could mean they'll miss out on all that retirement pay, golf courses, and free medical care.

Not to mention their HONOR.
38 posted on 02/24/2007 4:53:37 PM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: FreeAtlanta
Anyone have the BS meter?

Sorry. Mine just fried.

39 posted on 02/24/2007 4:53:53 PM PST by null and void (Let's play 6° of global warming...)
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To: editor-surveyor
Get the Clinton cadre out of here, sooner rather than later

And that cadre in State, CIA, FBI, Justice......

GWB has done many things right. However the leaving of Clintonistas is a huge failing.

40 posted on 02/24/2007 4:54:31 PM PST by llevrok ("“Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess.” - Oscar Wilde)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I forgot to set the amplitude disgrontifier to "max screed" and busted the dang needle!


41 posted on 02/24/2007 4:55:49 PM PST by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: FreeAtlanta
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42 posted on 02/24/2007 4:56:14 PM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: zarf
>>>lol. more disinformation.<<<

If you read this carefully, this article hits almost every point that has been previously raised against an attack, and adds a new one - resignations.

Its too perfect a summary.....either the press has fallen hook/line/sinker for the Bush administrations attempt to confuse Iran with disinformation, or......they are complicit!

43 posted on 02/24/2007 4:57:05 PM PST by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: Pokey78

Fine, let them. There are quite a few Colonels that would love to be generals....and lots of 1-stars that would love a second star. Only problem will be; these clowns will start showing up all over the TV morning/Sunday gab-fests..not a pleasant thought.


44 posted on 02/24/2007 4:57:57 PM PST by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Pokey78

I think this is pure BS....


45 posted on 02/24/2007 4:58:04 PM PST by mystery-ak (My Son, My Soldier, My Hero........God Speed Jonathan......)
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To: balch3

Yes, the dirty bunch of cowards.
barbra ann


46 posted on 02/24/2007 4:58:40 PM PST by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: JoeSixPack1

THis looks like wishful thinking on the part of the left to me. Generals generally love war and love attacks.


47 posted on 02/24/2007 4:58:46 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: bnelson44

A muslem in Parliament imagining a talk with a democrat on the armed services committee ...


48 posted on 02/24/2007 4:59:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Pokey78
“He is a very serious and a very loyal soldier,” she said.

Mann doesn't know $hit...who calls the CJCS, who is a Marine, a soldier?

49 posted on 02/24/2007 5:00:01 PM PST by Mr.Unique (Why did Lloyd Dobler want Diane Court anyway??)
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To: Jim Robinson

Head FReeper BUMP!


50 posted on 02/24/2007 5:00:53 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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