Mom? Dad? is that you?
Posted on 02/24/2007 9:52:29 PM PST by An American in Turkiye
Warning! A roving band of Hippie Icons may soon be coming to a city near you!
It all started on a sunkist Saturday at Wild Adventure theme park, here in Valdosta, Georgia. Concerts are a regular here, and I've seen some great bands: Foreigner, Styx, REO Speedwagon.
Before I begin, let me just say that I am 35 years old. Never really saw the hippie movement. Read about it, saw the footage of Woodstock, etc. But I never really experienced it. And for that, I think God.
It was an outdoor event, with families lining lawn chairs up, loading the kids up with popcorn and burgers, and settling in for a good show. Although not my generation, I have always loved classic rock. And by classic rock, I mean Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc.
I expected to see decent, hard working people in the crowd, like I had seen at the other concerts. This was not to be the case.
As if the pictures and videos I've seen of Woodstock came alive, it was now. But there was no beauty. Fat, bloated hippies, hurrying their hippie wives, streamed onto the field. Most men had hair down to the small of their backs, their wives the same. Grey was the common, and lots of it. When I looked at their faces, long, cavernous wrinkles bore into their flesh. So deep you could shove an envelope into it and it would stay. A pungent and distinct aroma wafted around, like a camper that has not showered in a few days. And the looks on their faces. The look of pure intolerance, of pure selfishness, of pure hatred.
I should have left with my fiancé right then and there.
Country Joe McDonald walked out first. I have heard some of his music, and honestly, not that big of a fan. He attempted some humor, and then broke out into "I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-to-Die Rag". If you are not in the know, it's an anti-Vietnam song. The crowd went wild. I looked at my fiancé and said "Do they not realize that this was 30 years ago?" It was like they were reliving their past protests all over again.
What happened next was unbelievable. He has a new song, ripe with criticism about Bush, Cheney, Rice, etc. The vulgarities flew with every venomous breath he took. Mind you, there were little kids all over the place, but their (grandparents) laughed and lauded every vile insult thrown at the President.
The concert went on, with performances by Melanie, Iron Butterfly, and the Animals. All night long, slogans like " we can all live in peace", "we're all brothers", and "make love, not war" was shouted at the crowd. But interestingly, I saw otherwise.
All night long, security for the bands made their way through the crowd, screaming at people to stop videotaping the show. I mean, getting in their face, finger pointing, yelling. All the while, the bands kept spouting about how evil capitalism is, how imperialistic we are, etc. But after each performance, we were told to "go to the white tent to purchase tonight’s video, and buy a few tee shirts to support the cause." Hypocrisy at its best.
The people in the crowd were amazing. Hippies know that smoking pot leads to the munchies, but apparently the never cared. Most people had tie-dye shirts on their bloated, beer gut bellies. After reading "make love" one too many times on these walking pregnant lava lamps, I almost threw up thinking about what it actually might look like.
Sorry for the long rave, but my point is this: the hippie generation caused a lot of damage to this nation. It is evident that deep down, they hate this country. They loathe capitalism, unless it keeps them from making a buck. They think it's OK to spew profanities in front of kids, as long as it bashes Republicans. And the amount of trash that was left on the ground from them was disgusting.
But hey! Someone else will clean it up for them. They are too busy lecturing us on Global Warming!
ping efg ping
Summary: Bunch of grey-haired, pony-tailed, smelly old hippies trying to recapture their "glory" days of sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll. Losers.
If you can get over the hairy legs and BO, hippy chicks are easy.
I assume that explains a lot about the foggy patches in my mental archives.
During the 60s, hippies helped defeat America in a war. Now they're working to condemn a new generation of Americans to defeat. Only, if they succeed this time, it will be much much worse.
The hippies at Woodstock weren't "peace and love" either. Generations X and Y got a bad rap at the 1999 Woodstock event.
The hippies burned down the food booth in 1969 too (and you can hear "Wavy Gravy" mention of it "if there's some of you who still think capitalism is a good idea you might want to help him out..." (paraphrased).
And Abbie Hoffman and the Black Panthers blackmailed the promoters to give them $10,000 and booth space at the original event or else face untold problems "from the underground community".
Peace and love my ass. just a bunch of stinkin' commies.
Yes, but their personal history tends to make them impossible to get over...at least with the current state of modern medicine!
Jerry Rubin went from Yippie to Yuppie. He went from being a revolutionary and an agitator who met with Che Guavera to investing in the stock market. From being in the Chicago 7 to Wall Street.
Doesn't mean that he wasn't a crumb who did bad things to this country.
Ok, this is probably the kick-me-off FR post here, but I really don't see why conservatives think that we hate this country. We love this country - we're half of this country. Almost everything important that the world has done for the last half century has come out of this country. I think that the reason why FReepers and others think that we hate this country is that we acknowledge that much of what is wrong with the world has come out of this country, and Russia/China, within the last half century.
But we love what this country could be. I am an Eagle Scout. I love the flag - I have put many old flags to rest, including, one one amazing occasion, a 50x75' flag. I love the history of this country - democracy/republicanism is the default system of government due almost solely to us.
I'm involved in research at one of the ten best hospitals/biomedical research centers in the country. We're actually the top center in the country, in the world, for fetal surgery. And we're in San Francisco. Pretty much everybody here is pro-choice, pro-ES research, anti-war, well, anyway, typical Democrats.
But we're all doing it because we don't want people to die. Ever. If this war would save lives in the long run, we'd be for it. But it won't. Maybe one of the primary differences between the two camps is that we think that Iraqi civilians have just as much of a right to live as do US civilians. I actually saw somebody say, on FR, that we should have killed on the order of 600,000 Iraqi civilians - and he got nothing but positive replies in return. Why? Did the owner of a bodega in Baghdad deserve to die more than one on Church St in Manhattan on 9/11? Is there really any difference between an American and an Iraqi 5-year-old girl?
4 years of an obviously failed strategy is too much. Change tactics radically, or stop. Those are the only realistic choices.
All we have ever wanted is to let people live their lives in peace. And that includes God-fearing American Christians. We don't hate heterosexuals. We don't hate religion.
This has been your friendly 24 year old hippy with hair down to his middle back, who lives 5 minutes away from Haight-Ashbury,
I don't think they'll have too much success. You see, unlike the hippies, my generation has felt the effects of the Free Love Generation. Waht with divorce, moral ambiguity, the resulting instability, rapid increase of mental illness as children take on the role of parent...etc. My generation does not have time for hippie stupidity or the leisure time to waltz around Woodstock trying to tune out the world around us. Some of us are doing the job our parents should be doing.
" The hippies at Woodstock weren't "peace and love" either "
I was soon to become a senior in high school ( in 1969 ) and hitched rides from CT to upstate NY and the festival with a buddy . We'd ordered tickets , but by the time we got to the site it had become FREE .
I would say that the vast majority of people there - hippies or otherwise , were peaceful and full of love for their brothers and sisters who were at the festival . People shared food , water , dry blankets , etc. with total strangers and there were very few incidents during the 3 days . Remember , there were around half a million young people there . Nobody was murdered or raped as far as I know . What major US city with a 500,000 population and only a modicum of police security could - even in 1969 - boast those stats ?
Sure there were a--holes in attendance , including Abbie Hoffman who , thankfully , got booted off the stage by The Who's Pete Townshend .
Yeah, the terror attacks in this country have increased significantly since 9/11, haven't they?
Jeesh - talk about someone having their head up their ass!
Welcome to FR. I have news for you. We are not at war with Iraqi civillians. The insurgents come from other countries.
Al Qaeda does not fly a flag or wear a uniform so in that regard they "are" civilians but their troops are at war with Iraqi civilians. They kill more Iraqis in their attacks than US troops.
This is not the same war as the war against Saddam's Iraq. Saddam is out of power and will not return.
We waged war in Germany for 50 years after WWII. The Cold War was fought until the Berlin Wall came down.
Are you attending UCSF or Berkeley?
Cheers!
The bad vibes were also in abundance at the Isle of Wight festival and Altamont.
And there were deaths at Woodstock and several births as well (seems very irresponsible of the new parents).
I think you think you were thinking thank but typed "think" instead.
" And there were deaths at Woodstock "
ACCIDENTS , not murders .
At least they won't have to worry about senility. Their minds were gone a long time ago.
Altamont and the Manson murders were what killed the Sixties, no doubt about it.
It doesn't mean everyone was bad either... I refuse to agree to a post that says all hippies were bad. Won't do it. It would be extremely stupid of me . I know plenty of good people and some bad. I DON'T JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR LOOKS OR THEIR PAST. I THINK ACTIONS AND WHAT YOU DO NOW COUNTS.... ~Pandora~
Figured this was a thread about Dennis Kucinich's presidential campaign.
Yes, that really is his banner.
I never calimed they were all bad. The leaders of the hippie movement often were bad communists.
These were the people held up as role models to the generation. They got the face time on the stage and in the film.
The media claimed there was a world of difference between the crowds at the "final" Woodstock and the hippie generation. All of those festivals had their problems. Often the same problems.
I hope you mean don't want people to die of anything but natural causes. I refer you to a quote by Ray Kurzweil:
Take death for example, a great deal of our effort goes into avoiding it. We make extraordinary efforts to delay it, and often consider its intrusion a tragic event. Yet we'd find it hard to live without it. Death gives meaning to our lives. It gives importance and value to time. Time would become meaningless if there were too much of it. If death were indefinitely put off, the human psyche would end up...well...like the gambler in the Twilight Zone episode.
As for the rest of your quote, this war has saved lives. It's saved Western lives. If your government had done NOTHING after September 11th, there would quite probably have been MORE attacks like that. The thing that people on your side of the aisle don't understand is that these people live in a culture where death and hate are the norm. Take the recent article I read on FR where two young Muslim girls were put to death by their uncles after running off with two guys in a orchard. That is a key visual for the hippies, free love, guess what...these people don't believe in any of your hippie crap.
I was going to go into a long diatribe here, but thought better of it. Needless to say, there are good and peaceful Muslims, but for the most part they are the ones that have embraced Western values and culture.
4 years of an obviously failed strategy is too much. Change tactics radically, or stop. Those are the only realistic choices.
Your side won't let the proper change of tactics occur. It's called peace through superior firepower. Stopping is not an option. We stop, we lose. The problem is that we are only fighting a proxy war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The more we look at it, it is the Russians via the Iranians that we are fighting. Same war, different players. We need to get those countries sewn up so that we can concentrate on the greater threat.
The only saving grace that we have is that the Iranians dislike the Russians as much as they dislike us. The only reason that they are aligned is that the Russians will supply them and we won't.
Ugh...I didn't want to go into a long diatribe on the war.
I'm a big Who fan and one of my favorite "rarities" bits from their "Thirty Years of Maximum R&B" box set is the audio from the moment you mention. Hoffman is droning on in his arrogant, nasally voice about John Sinclair when you hear Pete loom up in the background "Get off me f---ing stage!!!" It never fails to bring a smile, I tell ya.
Blue Oyster Cult did a song about Altamont.
"Transmaniacon MC".
The "hook" was
"We're pain; we're steel; a plot of knives. We're Transmanicon MC."
The 60s deserved to "die".
Is anyone naiive to think the current "retro-60s" fashion phenomenon is a coincidence?
I hated those crappy, fugly clothes then and I hate them even more, now.
Subliminal suggestion as a social marketing tool, however, is *very* powerful.
An interesting perspective on the history of hippies at
http://members.aol.com/Fredwaite/hippies.html
It's everywhere.
If you have a Target store near you, stop in.
All the clothes look like "Laugh In" costumes.
The hip-hugger bell bottoms, gauzy paisely shirts, fringed hobo bags, the platform shoes, "Peace" silk-screened over everything and "hippy jewelry"; it's all back....with a brain washing vengeance.
Whenever I think of hippies I thank God for making it so that everyone eventually dies.
Ping, LOL
---one of the primary differences between the two camps is that we think that Iraqi civilians have just as much of a right to live as do US civilians.
I think one of the primary differences is that your side ignores the killing that Saddam did. As bad as the carnage has been in Iraq, it is still less deadly than when he was free to mass murder his own citizens.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/27000.htm You really fell for the Michael more Iraqi's flying kites didn't you?
You also are unable to think historically and connect the end of Desert Storm 1991 (begun when he invaded Kuwait) when Saddam agreed to stop seeking WMDs. What if Saddam has listened to people like you who think of goodness and peace and used his oil money to feed his people and develop his country rather than invading his neighbors and seeking to exact revenge after we defeated him in 1991?
More (from an article in the American Thinker
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......Let's move to today, with the U.S. in Iraq. What was Iraq doing before the U.S. invaded in 2003? Saddam had already gone to war with two neighbors, Iran and Kuwait, resulting in over a million dead. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people; there are over 400,000 dead in mass graves throughout Iraq. He had lobbed rockets into Saudi Arabia and Israel, shot at U.S. aircraft on UN sanctioned missions and tried to assassinate former President Bush. He financially rewarded the families of suicide bombers. And he once had and used WMD, and could make them again.
Yet somehow people seem to believe that if we'd just let Saddam alone, there would be little or no violence in Iraq. Let's review. When we did leave him alone, the death count easily reached 1,400,000 or more. When we merely imposed sanctions, we were accused of causing the deaths of over half a million children. Now that we've invaded, we're chided for 3,000 American dead and perhaps some tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
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We also think that you hate this country for exactly what you post....
"that much of what is wrong has come from this country - though you try to be morally equivalent and include Russia and China" (
be honest - you don't believe that Russia and China have done anything wrong do you?). Your ilk just loves the strongmen, the death camps, the executions that socialism represents. Here is what you consider US morally equivalent to... from the same article in American Thinker.
The list below is a complete listing of all alleged genocides since 1915, according to Wikipedia.
Japan 1910-45. Japanese killed 25,000,000 Chinese and enslaved millions of Koreans.
Turkey 1915-23. Turks (Muslims) killed 1,500,000 Armenians (Christians).
Soviet Union 1918-89. Soviet Communists killed 20,000,000. (Fatality count is from The Black Book of Communism.
Germany 1940-45. Nazis killed 11,000,000 Jews, Romas, homosexuals, Slavs, the mentally ill and communists.
Croatia 1941-45. Croats (Catholics) killed 500,000 Serbs
(Christian Orthodox).
China 1950-80. Chinese Communists killed 65,000,000 fellow Chinese. (Fatality count from The Black Book of Communism.)
Zanzibar 1964. Africans killed 5,000 Arabs and Jews.
Bangladesh 1971. Muslims killed 1,500,000 Hindus.
Burundi 1972. Tutsis killed 125,000 Hutus.
Cambodia 1975-79. Communist Cambodians killed 1,700,000 fellow Cambodians.
East Timor 1975-99. Indonesian military (Muslim) killed 150,000 Timors, including many ethnic Chinese.
Afghanistan 1979-89. Soviet Communists killed unspecified number of Afghans.
Lebanon (Sabra) 1982. Christians killed 750 to 3,500 Palestinians.
Sudan 1983-2007. Arab/Muslims killed over 2,000,000 Africans.
Iraq 1988. Iraq's government (Sunni dominated) killed unspecified number of Kurds.
Tibet before 1990. Communist Chinese killed unspecified number of Tibetans.
West New Guinea/Papua before 1990. Indonesian government (Muslim) killed unspecified number of Guineans/Papuans.
Bosnia 1992-95. Serbs killed at least 8,000, mostly Muslim.
Rwanda 1994. Hutus killed 937,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus.
(((Note that it has been revealed that France incited the Rwandan genocide)))
Gee where is the US on that list? But your favorites Russia and China they are near the top. And this list doesnt include countless small wars of "revolution" fostered by Russia and China. But we're just the same.
Yes, so much of what is wrong with the world has come from the US. That must be why the Poles are erecting a statue to Reagan for freeing them from communist oppression. http://gaypatriot.net/2007/02/09/reagan-statue-to-replace-soviet-monument-in-poland .
why girls can go to school in Afghanistan
http://www.care.org/newsroom/articles/2005/04/20050408_gce_afghanistanstory.asp
Why South Koreans are prosperous and North Koreans starve.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/june97/korea_6-11.html
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/2006/11/08/nkorea_starvation/
Why tens of thousands of lives were saved after the tsunami
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed011105d.cfm
You know so little. Keep coming to Free Republic and learn more about your country so will have a genuine love of your country and a realistic view of its successes and flaws.
Americans have been dying for years. See the first World Trade Center bombing, the Cole, etc. You wanted us to "understand" their rage. Saddam killed thousands. You weren't real worried about that either. Palestinians can kill all the Israelis they want. You demand that they simply take it.
You only get concerned about people dying when we decide to fight back.
Terrorists are determined to kill as many Americans as they can. They've said it over and over. They've shown us what they will do. People WILL die. We simply prefer the deaths be theirs instead of ours.
yes, i know this type all too well. im your age and had two hippie parents with pathetic hippie friends. they are without a doubt the worst generation in american history.
We are the same age and I agree. We grew up with so many friends that had children for parents. So many in our generation only had their grandparents to look up to. It is amazing we survived.
War is not a pretty thing, in fact it is quite brutal.
Many people in America as well as many FReepers don't have the stomach for war. They end up asking themselves questions (like you are) as if they are somehow trying to rationalize what all is happening. Osama Bin Laden spoke often about America not having the stomach for war and how to defeat America by capitalizing on this.
Personally I don't comprehend the incessant self-debasement and handwringing over the deaths of Iraqi civilians though?
Sad to say, but I don't see any "victims" on the battlefield in Iraq. I see a battlefield infested with suppliers, supporters, spies, sympathizers and opportunists who mascarade as the "innocent Iraqi victims"
When they are not lopping off heads, where do you think all these insurgents and so-called foreign fighters eat their meals, shop and sleep for the night.
They are provided safehouses and sanctuary by these so-called "Iraqi victims" who have learned to play the innocent victim card in front of the American forces there.
I don't think we have been brutal enough. I think that America's political correctness has turned much of the battlefield into nothing more than a macabre courthouse.
That is so groovy
"we don't want people to die. Ever."
If so, then you can't support any pro-'choice' platform.
Dianna,
Sorry. I meant this to go to the hippie in SF.
Boots
Lassie-faire? I guess that's the 'free love' part. Or something about a dog.
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