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Dear Abby: Veterans are props
DearAbby.com ^ | 2/25/2007 | Dear Abby

Posted on 02/25/2007 8:33:03 AM PST by ContraryMary

DEAR ABBY: Our 17-year-old twin son and daughter met with military recruiters who came to their school and made the military sound exciting and glamorous. They are now saying that after they graduate next year, they want to join the military instead of going to college. They have even put up military posters in their rooms that they received from the recruiters.

My husband and I are horrified. We cannot stand the thought of them going off to war, and do not believe that war is the answer to the world's problems. It will be a year, and hopefully the novelty of the idea will wear off by then. However, I don't want to take a chance. How can I counter the idea? -- CLEVELAND MOM

DEAR CLEVELAND MOM: Before your children commit themselves to the idea that the military is all foreign travel, shiny medals and glory, they should see firsthand that there is a more serious side. Contact your nearest veterans hospital and inquire about you and your children paying some visits and volunteering to help wounded vets. It may be a sobering experience, but it should open their eyes in no time flat.


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Was anyone as offended as I was when I read this? These are people who have sacrificed to guarantee the freedoms that this Cleveland mother and her kids have. They're not props to be gawked at or ping pong balls to be used in a debate on the justification of war.
1 posted on 02/25/2007 8:33:04 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: ContraryMary
CLEVELAND MOM: clearly these kids are not yours. Somewhere along the way they were switched from there REAL mother.
2 posted on 02/25/2007 8:36:51 AM PST by geo40xyz (Born a democRAT, Dad set me free in 1952: He said that I was not required to be a MF'ing democRAT)
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To: ContraryMary

I wonder if Dear Abby would also recommend that girls see videos of abortion procedures and aborted fetuses prior to having an abortion.


3 posted on 02/25/2007 8:37:42 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: ContraryMary

I think you should write in and say exactly what you've said here. Horrible response by Dear Abby....but I'm not longer surprised by anything.


4 posted on 02/25/2007 8:37:43 AM PST by tsmith130
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To: geo40xyz

LOL! Maybe it was a recessive gene...


5 posted on 02/25/2007 8:37:50 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

--here's the link to protest--

--http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/dearabby_form.html


6 posted on 02/25/2007 8:37:54 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: ContraryMary

As soon as I read this I thought, she's gonna catch a ton of flack. Wonder if she'll print it.


7 posted on 02/25/2007 8:38:10 AM PST by zook
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To: tsmith130

I did. Let's see if it gets published.


8 posted on 02/25/2007 8:38:22 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

Give the vets more credit than that - I believe they would welcome the opportunity to present their side of things to youngsters who are looking to follow in their footsteps. Their words of wisdom might not have the impact that mommy would want.


9 posted on 02/25/2007 8:38:32 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Pennies from Google DO add up! Support "Wounded Warrior Project" at www.goodsearch.com)
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To: ContraryMary

"Contact your nearest veterans hospital and inquire about you and your children paying some visits and volunteering to help wounded vets. It may be a sobering experience"

Yes. I may be a 'sobering experience.'

One in which the kids just might be more inclined to join up when they see and talk to the real heroes of this country.


10 posted on 02/25/2007 8:39:18 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: ContraryMary

Dear Abby, I am a veteran of foreign wars and was wondering if it is okay to choke the living $#%% out of ignorant columnists who dispense anti-American nonsense?


11 posted on 02/25/2007 8:39:21 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: traderrob6
I wonder if Dear Abby would also recommend that girls see videos of abortion procedures and aborted fetuses prior to having an abortion.

Yeah, logic would dictate so. But I doubt it.

12 posted on 02/25/2007 8:39:25 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: Bigh4u2

"Yes. I may be a 'sobering experience.' "

I = It


13 posted on 02/25/2007 8:40:23 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Mygirlsmom
Give the vets more credit than that - I believe they would welcome the opportunity to present their side of things to youngsters who are looking to follow in their footsteps. Their words of wisdom might not have the impact that mommy would want.

You're exactly right. And I said as much in my letter to Dear Abby.

14 posted on 02/25/2007 8:40:41 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

I work on one of the leading military websites, we found a stat that said less then 3% of those enlisted see combat.


15 posted on 02/25/2007 8:43:55 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: traderrob6

Dear Abbey would encourage young girls to "help out" at abortion mills ~ maybe carry the "products of conception" to the disposal or something.


16 posted on 02/25/2007 8:44:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: ContraryMary

My mom was a 60's liberal. My dad was in the Army. They marched in San Francisco with a black arm band around my arm when I was one. They both volunteered for McGovern. I wanted to be in the Navy since I was 6. Served for 13 years. God has a sense of humor.


17 posted on 02/25/2007 8:44:57 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: ContraryMary

It is an appalling response. I was surprised Abby left out "for the oil" and "no WMD". Then on the other hand, the idea might very well backfire big time.

When the son interacts with all these magnificent men and women who have given so much, it might prove inspiring and be the tipping point whether he wants to do something with his life that matters or not. His parents clearly don't want him to do so.


18 posted on 02/25/2007 8:44:59 AM PST by av8tor6 (http://rofasix.blogspot.com)
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To: ContraryMary

I wonder if Mom and Dad here have ever considered that their kids are smarter than they are; that their kids see that college, at this point in their lives, would be nothing more than a continuation of the lefty claptrap indoctrination they've been getting in high school. My 16 year-old son has told me that he wants to look at the Coast Guard or the Navy after high school graduation. He's very smart, although not much of a student, but smart enough to realize that having "An Inconvenient Truth" shown in class is nonsense. I think a lot of these kids may be turning their backs on the crap they've been being fed and looking for "real stuff".


19 posted on 02/25/2007 8:46:25 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: tsmith130

"Horrible response by Dear Abby..."

I don't know. If those kids talked to some of the wounded at WR, they may learn something. Things like honor, loyalty, sacrifice. They might talk to those soldiers who would go back in a minute to be with their units if they could. That one wounded Sargeant, who had been in Bosnia and Afghanistan, who reupped to go to Iraq. He wanted to be with the younger, less experienced troops. His Humvee gets hit by an IED, his driver killed. He gets to spend a year in WR. He'd go back.
Don't hide these brave heroes because they're injured. Go visit.
I like the advice.


20 posted on 02/25/2007 8:47:29 AM PST by gate2wire
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To: ContraryMary; geo40xyz; traderrob6; tsmith130; rellimpank; zook; Mygirlsmom; Bigh4u2; ExpatGator

Clever of Abbey to make a suggestion that would seal
her twin's decision to join the military beyond all
doubt. Seeing those wounded vets ... [hearing them
speak about the love they have for their country as
well as their willingness to do it all over again for
the sake of freedom] ... will not help CLEVELAND MOM.

God bless her twins and may God have mercy on
CLEVELAND MOM'S soul.


21 posted on 02/25/2007 8:49:53 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Conservomax

I know a few women whose sons joined the Marines after about a year of drifting aimlessly after high school. None of these mothers were happy about the sons' decisions. But by the time each kid graduated from boot camp, every one of the moms was gushing about how proud they were of their sons, how grown up they had become, were these even the same kids, etc. The military can be a positive experience and general society tends to lose sight of that.


22 posted on 02/25/2007 8:50:08 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

I see nothing inherently wrong with Abby's recommendation.

Those considering such a serious decision should look at all sides of the issue.

Recruiters are essentially salesmen. Like all salesmen, they don't often stress the negatives of their "product." Before buying, one should consider other sources of information.

I would go Abby one better. Recommend the kids also volunteer to work with anti-war groups. The contrast between the wounded veterans and the anti-war groupies should result in both enlisting on their 18th birthday.


23 posted on 02/25/2007 8:51:32 AM PST by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: gate2wire

[... Don't hide these brave heroes because they're injured. Go visit. I like the advice...]

I like Abbey's advice as well. Brilliant advice, in fact.


24 posted on 02/25/2007 8:52:03 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: gate2wire

I agree with what you're saying, but those certainly weren't Dear Abby's motives in writing her response.


25 posted on 02/25/2007 8:52:18 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

We are at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever
faced mankind, and if we lose that war, and in doing so
lose this way of freedom of ours, history will record with
the greatest astonishment that those who had the most to lose
did the least to prevent its happening.
- Ronald Reagan, 1964

The authors of the letter are the worst kind of liberal scum. They use and abuse the very freedoms they would refuse to defend .


26 posted on 02/25/2007 8:52:31 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: gate2wire
I like the advice.

I like the advice but not the reason given for the advice.

27 posted on 02/25/2007 8:53:40 AM PST by tsmith130
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To: ContraryMary

Why are you offended?

Military is not for everyone; so a "lady" in Cleveland disagrees...more power to her....

Sounds like an College student's send-up letter to "Abby"...


28 posted on 02/25/2007 8:53:58 AM PST by dakine
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29 posted on 02/25/2007 8:54:31 AM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: ContraryMary

If the kids wanna be firemen do ya send em to the burn ward?


30 posted on 02/25/2007 8:54:46 AM PST by woofie
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To: ContraryMary
Cleveland Mom and Abbie should consider for a minute why they can sit in a warm home and speak (in English, not Japanese or German) what they like without fear. Veterans, many of them young, gave their lives and time to preserve our freedoms (and our Government).

I am glad that there still are young citizens that are willing to step forward and protect this great nation in times of danger. Everything that we have in this nation was effectively presented to us by veterans starting with George Washington.
31 posted on 02/25/2007 8:55:26 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends we need a 800 ship Navy.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I like Abbey's advice as well. Brilliant advice, in fact.

It's brilliant only if Dear Abby recognized that the effects of volunteering with the vets could have the opposite effect on the kids. And I doubt from her response that what she intended.

32 posted on 02/25/2007 8:55:49 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

Do yall think these are real people? Not something I would do but hey...it's still a free country. I like her advise though. Who better than, our military to talk with them.


33 posted on 02/25/2007 8:57:33 AM PST by CindyDawg (Duncan Hunter Tagline in process)
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To: dakine
Why are you offended?

Military is not for everyone; so a "lady" in Cleveland disagrees...more power to her....

Sounds like an College student's send-up letter to "Abby"...

I never said the military was or should be for everyone. However, our veterans should not be gawked at in an attempt by a mother to dissuade her kids from signing up.

34 posted on 02/25/2007 8:58:42 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

write her a letter


35 posted on 02/25/2007 9:00:42 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: appealforcourage.org)
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To: bnelson44

I did.


36 posted on 02/25/2007 9:01:02 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

I should have said ironic instead of brilliant.
But then I believe that God is sovereign and He
never says "oops". This advice no coincidence
and it is more proof that God is in control.


37 posted on 02/25/2007 9:01:05 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ContraryMary

What a crock!

When my middle son graduated from college and enlisted in the Army Reserve 2 years ago I know it was disturbing for some in my family. But my impression is ; Why should I be selfish and only expect the sons and daughters of others to defend and protect our freedoms and the freedom of others who choose to live in peace, and spare my three sons from that sacrifice? My son set foot in Kuwait Saturday Morning for his year plus deployment. Please pray with us for his safe return!

Those parents are wrong to steer their children away from what the, the children, believe is a just cause.
No wonder some schools are banning Military Recruiters from the school campus. Their vision of utopia does not include sacrifice.


38 posted on 02/25/2007 9:02:24 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: gate2wire
You should write Abby as well. Please spread the word about an appeal for redress that people in the military can sign to show support for the mission:


www.appealforcourage.org

39 posted on 02/25/2007 9:02:57 AM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: appealforcourage.org)
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To: o_zarkman44

God bless you and your son. I will pray for his safety.


40 posted on 02/25/2007 9:03:16 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

Interesting discussion here. I have trouble with what seems to be Ms. Abby's intent.

On the other hand, anyone preparing to sign up for military duty should fully realize they are volunteering for WAR. Some nowadays see it as simply a way to pay for education, get some discipline, play with weapons, etc. Then war hits and they or their parents claim it's not fair.

So no problem with seeing all sides of an important decision. I'm sure most wounded vets will tell those younguns that they are proud of their service and sacrifice.





41 posted on 02/25/2007 9:04:04 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: ContraryMary

I never knew until today that Dear Abby's REAL twin was Cindy Sheehan!

I read this in my local paper this morning and it go my blood boiling.

I hope both these kids enlist as soon as they turn 18 and stay in until they retire!


42 posted on 02/25/2007 9:06:13 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: ContraryMary
...note the worried parents had no problem sending their kids to be indoctrinated with liberal BS for 14 years and actually looked forward to sending them off to college for an expensive "level up" by master mind controllers. I hope they keep them home for another 15 years after they graduate college, this way they can tell them to eat their carrots and make their beds when the little darlings are 42 years of age.
43 posted on 02/25/2007 9:06:27 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: over3Owithabrain

As the wife of a Navy veteran and a mother, I see both sides. However, Dear Abby certainly didn't present both sides in her response.


44 posted on 02/25/2007 9:06:53 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary
commit themselves to the idea that the military is all foreign travel, shiny medals and glory,

Maybe she was just thinking of Jon Carey.

45 posted on 02/25/2007 9:09:08 AM PST by quantim (Do not underestimate the evilness of the 'soccer mom.')
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To: Mygirlsmom
Give the vets more credit than that - I believe they would welcome the opportunity to present their side of things to youngsters who are looking to follow in their footsteps. Their words of wisdom might not have the impact that mommy would want.

You don't understand. Those vets won't be allowed to speak to the kids. They'll just be visual aids (props, you know), there to have their wounds gawked at.

46 posted on 02/25/2007 9:10:06 AM PST by seowulf
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To: quantim

LOL!


47 posted on 02/25/2007 9:10:32 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I disagree with Abby.
My son went into military service from college knowing full well the risks associated with combat. He is not one of those uneducated idiots who John Kerry so described as destined to be in our military.
In this day and age, how can anyone NOT KNOW what potential consequences military service can bring?
It is naive of anyone to think the recruiters are misleading potential enlistees. Patriotism and service to America is still appealing to many, dispite what the left tries to portray.


48 posted on 02/25/2007 9:10:56 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: o_zarkman44

Dear Father in heaven, please watch over O_zarkman44's
beloved son. Cover him and all the military who serve
with Your banner of supernatural protection. In Jesus
Mighty name!

(Thank you for raising a selfless patriot. May God
bless you and pour His favor upon you)


49 posted on 02/25/2007 9:11:29 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: ContraryMary

My response to Dear Abby:
In reference to your response to the letter from Cleveland Mom regarding her children's desire to enter the military. Your answer may very well backfire for her. My husband was one of those veterans in the the Veteran's Hospital. He was wounded in Iraq in 2003, and like many other wounded Marines and Soldiers, has a very strong sense of honor and duty to their job, the military, and their country. These men and women exude a commitment to what they have sworn to do and the men and women they sworn to protect, and they believe in what they are doing. There is so much optimism in the midst of human pain, and a desire to go forward, and move on to the next challenge. This is what these young adults will see and may very well inspire them to go on and commit to the military. It is an honorable profession just as being a fireman, police officer, or teacher. And thanks to my Marine, we are able to live in a country where we have a choice to choose our profession, not be told. These men and women deserve the utmost respect. They are the best and the brightest. Your response offended me as I'm sure it did many people.


50 posted on 02/25/2007 9:11:49 AM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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