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California Catholic Nursing Homes may be Forced to Allow Assisted Suicide
LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/26/07 | Hilary White

Posted on 02/26/2007 4:10:34 PM PST by wagglebee

SACRAMENTO, February 26, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Well known bioethics author, Wesley J. Smith, warns in an article posted to the weblog of First Things magazine, that a pending bill in California could threaten the lives of vulnerable elderly and ill patients in nursing homes and hospice care.

Assembly Bill 374, says Smith, under the rubric of “choice” will force in-patient hospice facilities and even Catholic nursing homes to permit assisted suicide. The proposed legislation, he writes, exempts only acute-care hospitals.

While euthanasia advocates claim the changes to the law are only small matters of “tweaking” existing statutes, Smith warns that the result is a piece of coercive legislation that will threaten the lives of patients, undermine the philosophical foundation of hospice care and threaten the autonomy and even the existence of Catholic care facilities.

“If A.B. 374 becomes law, Catholic and other religiously oriented nursing homes will be forced to choose between shutting down, selling, or cooperating in assisted suicide.”

“A.B. 374,” Smith writes, “is patterned generally after the law in Oregon, though the coercion about which I write is not found in the current Oregon law or a concurrently introduced assisted-suicide legalization bill in Vermont, and is an attempt to force most medical and nursing facilities to cooperate in the assisted-suicide regime.”

Smith points to the sections of the bill, 7198 (b) and (e), to be added to the California Health and Safety Code should the legislation pass.

7198 (b) reads: “No professional organization or association, or heath care provider, may subject a person to censure, discipline, suspension, loss of license, loss of privileges, loss of membership, or other penalty for participating or refusing to participate in good faith compliance with this chapter.”

Subsection (e) reads: “Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a general acute care hospital, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 1250, may prohibit a licensed physician from carrying out a patient’s request under this chapter on the premises of the hospital if the hospital has notified the licensed physician of its policy regarding this chapter.”

As a lawyer with years of experience deciphering legal loopholes in bills related to bioethics issues, Smith asserts that the specific exemption of acute care hospitals as the only place where assisted suicide may be stopped on site, means that the legislation intends to force other types of facilities to allow the practice.

“The legislation must be construed to require that all other health-care facilities cooperate with assisted suicide ¬whether or not they have religious, moral, or philosophical objections,” he writes.

Read the full text of Assembly Bill 374:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_0351-0400/ab...

Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

Bill Would Authorize Assisted Suicide By Any Other Name in Arizona
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jan/07011706.html

New Assisted Suicide Bill Introduced in Hawaii Legislature
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jan/07013004.html



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
While euthanasia advocates claim the changes to the law are only small matters of “tweaking” existing statutes,

I'm sure the Nazis also claimed that they were just "tweaking" the laws.

1 posted on 02/26/2007 4:10:36 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 02/26/2007 4:11:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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3 posted on 02/26/2007 4:11:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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4 posted on 02/26/2007 4:12:19 PM PST by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: wagglebee

Why not just allow the Catholics to bring him to some other medical facility, where it is not against their religion to do an assisted suicide?


5 posted on 02/26/2007 4:12:49 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: wagglebee
Well, I see we were on the same wave length here. I was busy formatting the First Things piece while you were posting this summary of it. I'll tell you what bothers me most: I think it will not be long (less than a year) before the GOP joins the Dems in trying to force the Catholic Church into the societal margins . . . or out of business.
6 posted on 02/26/2007 4:18:08 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: LtdGovt
Why not just allow the Catholics to bring him to some other medical facility, where it is not against their religion to do an assisted suicide?

Because that would allow Catholics to live according to principles with which liberals do not agree, namely, the sanctity of human life.

7 posted on 02/26/2007 4:19:58 PM PST by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: LtdGovt
With all due respect, no Catholic (or person of such conscience) should have anything to do with it. If the patient and/or their family take the initiative about a transfer, then the home would have clean hands. But the home should not take a proactive part in transferring the patient as an end run around Catholic ethics.

An analogy might be Ms. X is pregnant and wants an abortion. You know it is wrong for a catholic to help her procure an abortion, but she wants one really bad, justifies it by saying her mom/grandmother/great aunt/boyfriend/whomever wants it, every rationale in the book, too. So you have a non-Catholic friend/contact/acquaintance who you know will oblige with her wishes and pass her off to them.

8 posted on 02/26/2007 4:19:59 PM PST by Aliska
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To: madprof98
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

I guess the culture of death doesn't think that forcing the Church to murder the innocent is "prohibiting the free exercise" of religion.

9 posted on 02/26/2007 4:26:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: LtdGovt

Moving a person to a facility where they will be killed IS assisting in their death.


10 posted on 02/26/2007 4:27:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: The Blitherer

See #10.


11 posted on 02/26/2007 4:28:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Aliska

Well said.


12 posted on 02/26/2007 4:28:50 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: LtdGovt
Why not just allow the Catholics to bring him to some other medical facility, where it is not against their religion to do an assisted suicide?

You really don't get it, do you? Now I know why you think Catholics and other serious Christians could just forget about Rudy's pro-abortion record and vote for him because he's good at managing things.

13 posted on 02/26/2007 4:29:05 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: wagglebee

Very good point. I wasn't thinking of that aspect when I posted.


14 posted on 02/26/2007 4:35:52 PM PST by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: The Blitherer

No big deal.


15 posted on 02/26/2007 4:39:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; I guess the culture of death doesn't think that forcing the Church to murder the innocent is "prohibiting the free exercise" of religion.

I agree with those words 100%. What I am about to say I do not support but this is how the government is getting a choke hold on the church in this matter. The church likely takes Medicare & Medicaid funding. If that is true then it makes the Nursing Home bound to the rules of state. Again I do not agree with it but that is how they can do it.

This was one reasons many in here including myself were against the presidents Faith Based Programs. What programs government funds it also controls and eventually destroys. Today the Church ran hospitals and care facilities tomorrow the Pulpit and the message of the clergy.

I would advise families who value life and family say in treatment even to the point where emergency care is refused to make just in case plans. Make such a plan to even if by physical force remove your loved ones from a health care facility on a moments notice. This should be discussed by dependable family members.

16 posted on 02/26/2007 4:42:09 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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17 posted on 02/26/2007 4:44:46 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Shakespeare the Papist" by Fr. Peter Milward, S.J.)
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To: cva66snipe

Very well said, thanks.


18 posted on 02/26/2007 4:45:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Aliska
With all due respect, no Catholic (or person of such conscience) should have anything to do with it. If the patient and/or their family take the initiative about a transfer, then the home would have clean hands. But the home should not take a proactive part in transferring the patient as an end run around Catholic ethics.

That's would be okay, too.
19 posted on 02/26/2007 4:45:14 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: wagglebee
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i can't believe that patients are falling over themselves in a Catholic Home to commit suicide...

that said, if one by chance DOES want to, simply say no and PAY THE FINE!!! what are they gonna do... close the place down???

20 posted on 02/26/2007 5:00:08 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: LtdGovt
I read some of the other comments. It's not so simple and straightforward if the government gets the church hamstrung with funding. What a mess. I'm not blaming the church for not having the foresight in accepting government funding. Everything is happening so fast. To further muddy the waters, there are catholics who don't take the teaching seriously anyway.

I could be wrong but fear I'm not that this has already been going on with catholic priests/institutions in the Chicago area for a long time now, probably in my own area as well.

21 posted on 02/26/2007 5:08:27 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

They can always opt to refuse government funding, if this is a very important issue for them.


22 posted on 02/26/2007 5:09:32 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Chode
that said, if one by chance DOES want to, simply say no and PAY THE FINE!!! what are they gonna do... close the place down???

In fact yes they would likely do just that. Again I do not agree with it but I have worked in nursing homes. They would first pull the Administrator's License. If the B.O.D. failed to correct next they would decertify the facility and likely close it. Yes it's government doing blackmail.

23 posted on 02/26/2007 5:11:51 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: LtdGovt
They can always opt to refuse government funding, if this is a very important issue for them.

That would be a wise move likely their only choice in the matter and even then with Cali laws??? They still may try and force the issue on the church.

24 posted on 02/26/2007 5:13:57 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: LtdGovt

That's true, but what if it causes them to have to shut down? I'm just putting it out there, not being argumentative. It's something that a lot of us have faced/will have to face in our personal lives as well as in society as a whole.


25 posted on 02/26/2007 5:23:38 PM PST by Aliska
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To: cva66snipe

PS. We have a fine regional heart center/regular hospital that is non-catholic and a fine catholic hospital. There have already been problems about trying to force the catholic hospital to do things they refuse to do. So far so good, but how long?


26 posted on 02/26/2007 5:25:30 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

That would be very sad. But I hope that the Governor will pressure them to at least provide an exception for medical facilities that are based on religion.


27 posted on 02/26/2007 5:26:47 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt

I would hope so, too, under freedom of religion. I'm not that confident it's going to hold up across the board though.


28 posted on 02/26/2007 5:29:41 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
PS. We have a fine regional heart center/regular hospital that is non-catholic and a fine catholic hospital. There have already been problems about trying to force the catholic hospital to do things they refuse to do. So far so good, but how long?

Hard to say. The best hospital we've {my family} dealt with is a Catholic hospital. Actually my wife and I were married there 21 years ago. For a while it had some problems even to the point I had to take my wife out of the E.R. because the attending ER doctor refused treatment. It was over what I discovered later an adverse medication reaction he insisted was an acute mental issue despite the fact she lost consciousness under his care. You can not fake COMA. Like I said in another post always be ready to act. They tried to take the say of her care out of my hands and place it in the hands of the state.

I found her unconscious in an exam room slumped over in her wheelchair. had words with the ER Doc he still refused treatment so I took her elsewhere. I also wrote a letter after it was all over to the Chief Of Staff who had treated my wife before. It hasn't happened again either.

29 posted on 02/26/2007 5:36:09 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com but they won't have to, because the Church will prolly tell the goonverment that they will CLOSE DOWN before they bown down to them.
30 posted on 02/26/2007 5:44:22 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Chode
but they won't have to, because the Church will prolly tell the goonverment that they will CLOSE DOWN before they bown down to them.

True but sooner or later the churches are going to have take on the government to regain control of their hospital systems. I'm not Catholic nor is my wife but they seem to be the only mainstream church left that actually keeps an active oversight of hospitals using their denominations name.

I once worked in a nursing home associated with a mainstream Protestant denomination and it was as far removed from the church as it could be except a 2 minute daily devotional. The facilities business ethics left a lot to be desired.

31 posted on 02/26/2007 5:53:53 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: cva66snipe
Image hosted by Photobucket.com didn't they try almost the exact same thing forcing queer adoptions on the Church??? don't remember how that turned out.
32 posted on 02/26/2007 6:08:26 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: cva66snipe

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33 posted on 02/26/2007 6:12:55 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Chode
didn't they try almost the exact same thing forcing queer adoptions on the Church??? don't remember how that turned out.

I think it was in another state not certain though and the Church closed down the program IIRC. I may be wrong on that one though. Maybe somebody with a better memory knows.

34 posted on 02/26/2007 6:16:09 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: wagglebee

It's called the golden rule.

State has the gold you must follow the rules.

Best way to change this problem is not to vote for collectivist next time when there is an election.

Easy choice would be to refuse Gov. money, the Nursing Homes would probably go belly up but tough love is necessary sometimes when holding onto your core convictions.


35 posted on 02/26/2007 6:27:38 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: LtdGovt
If they refused government funding, then the majority of patients would leave and the facility would shut down as most seniors rely on Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security as their source of income.

Because the facilities take these funds, they are obligated to follow the rules. The piper calls the tune 100% of the time

36 posted on 02/26/2007 6:31:42 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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37 posted on 02/26/2007 6:44:04 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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Thanks for the link. Lot of history I didn't know. Only thing the EDO's of the 1970's the officers under Chief Engineer or CHENG were usually smart. We had a Main Propulsion Assistant a Lt Commander who knew every valve number on the carrier and where they were actually located as above a pipe being a hatch etc. The man you wanted around when things started going wrong. You could take him at his word that he was correct.

I read it laughing out loud. I remember getting into a heated debate over an unlawfull order one night with the ships 1st LT rank of LTCDR or the Deck Department Oficer. I won it too LOL.

38 posted on 02/26/2007 6:46:51 PM PST by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com BravoZulu...
39 posted on 02/26/2007 6:58:07 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: wagglebee
What they want to is create future Terri Schiavos - under full color of law.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

40 posted on 02/26/2007 9:45:31 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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41 posted on 02/27/2007 3:49:15 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee

I know it's easy for me to say this, since I don't work in a Catholic nursing home, but...It's looking like it's time for some of us Christians to be perp walked. A line needs to be drawn.


42 posted on 02/27/2007 5:21:27 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: LtdGovt
Why not just allow the Catholics to bring him to some other medical facility, where it is not against their religion to do an assisted suicide?

If a guy was being whacked by the mafia, a person who knowingly transported him to a certain spot so the actual murderer could shoot him in the head would be accused of conspiracy to murder. So, if the Catholics think that assisted suicide is as bad as murder, how is it consistent with freedom of religion to force them to be co-conspirators?

43 posted on 02/27/2007 5:35:54 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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44 posted on 02/27/2007 5:40:24 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: wagglebee

I'm wondering if by the time I'm ready to retire a law will be passed "permitting" (i.e. "requiring") unemployed people to be killed.


45 posted on 02/27/2007 5:43:14 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Chode

Indeed they did. In Massachusetts, the Church had to close down its adoption agencies because they would not exempt them from adopting out to homosexuals. The Church could have kept their agencies open if they didn't rely on government funding I believe, but the Church unfortunately did rely on it to stay open. The same thing is also occuring over in the UK. Over there, the Catholic Church accounts for about 30% of adoption agencies. However, they also recieve government funding to stay open. When the law was passed that adoption agencies had to adopt to homosexuals, the Catholic Church asked for an exemption, but it was not granted. I think they have vowed to stay open and simply deny children to homosexual couples. We'll see how long that lasts.

Now, it appears that government is trying to do the same thing with assisted suicide in California. The Church probably will not be exempted due to government funding. What I can't figure out is, if people disagree with the Church's policies regarding adoption or nursing homes, then why don't they go somewhere else as opposed to going to the Church and then complaining?

All in all, assisted suicide is simply sad, and it's all part of the slippery slope of the Culture of Death.


46 posted on 02/27/2007 1:15:01 PM PST by Pinkbell
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com it's better to rule in Heaven than to serve in Hell...

with apologies to Dante.

47 posted on 02/27/2007 3:03:38 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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