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George Soros And The Problem Of The Radical Jewish Non-Jew (On The Importance Of Patriotism Alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 02/27/2007 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 02/26/2007 9:25:11 PM PST by goldstategop

What do Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Noam Chomsky and George Soros have in common?

They were/are all radicals, born to Jewish parents, had no Jewish identity and hurt Jews (not to mention non-Jews).

The term "non-Jewish Jew" is generally attributed to the Jewish historian Isaac Deutscher, who wrote an essay by that name in 1954. The term describes the individual who, though born a Jew (Judaism consists of a national/peoplehood identity, not only a religious one), identifies solely as a citizen of the world and not as a Jew, either nationally or religiously.

Once the walls of Jewish ghettos broke down and European Jews were allowed to leave Jewish societies, many Jews became non-Jewish Jews. In most cases, either they or their children assimilated into the societies in which they lived. However, a small but significant percentage became radicalized. They came to loathe "bourgeois," i.e., traditional middle class, values and Judeo-Christian society; Western national identities (though they generally supported anti-Western national identities); and they particularly loathed Jewish religious and national identity.

Karl Marx, the grandson of two Orthodox rabbis (and, to be entirely accurate, son of parents who converted to Christianity), wrote one of the most significant anti-Semitic essays of the 19th century, "On the Jewish Question" (1844). In it one finds such statements:

"Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist. . . . The god of the Jews has been secularized and has become the god of the world. . . . The social emancipation of Jewry is the emancipation of society from Jewry."

Leon Trotsky, born Lev Bronstein, may be regarded as the intellectual father of Russian, later Soviet, Communism. He along with Stalin and three others fought to succeed Lenin as leader of the Communist Party after Lenin's death in 1924. In 1920, when Trotsky was head of the Red Army, Moscow's chief rabbi, Rabbi Jacob Mazeh, asked him to use the army to protect the Jews from pogromist attacks. Trotsky is reported to have responded, "Why do you come to me? I am not a Jew." To which Rabbi Mazeh answered: "That's the tragedy. It's the Trotskys who make revolutions, and it's the Bronsteins who pay the price."

Noam Chomsky has devoted much of his life to working against America and Israel. He is alienated from the very two identities into which he was born. Indeed he has vilified both his whole life. To cite but one example, he traveled to Lebanon to appear with Hizbollah leader Sayyed Nasrallah and lend his support to a group that is committed to the annihilation of Israel and is officially listed as a terrorist organization by the United States.

George Soros is the fourth example of an individual born Jewish who has become a radical world citizen who is alienated from America and from his Jewish origins, and damages both.

As described by Martin Peretz, editor-in-chief of The New Republic, "George Soros is ostentatiously indifferent to his own Jewishness. He is not a believer. He has no Jewish communal ties. He certainly isn't a Zionist. He told Connie Bruck in The New Yorker -- testily, she recounted -- that 'I don't deny the Jews their right to a national existence -- but I don't want to be part of it.'"

Writing in The Wall Street Journal, writer Joshua Muravchik reported that Soros has publicly likened Israel to the Nazis.

Of course, Soros supports Palestinian nationalism, but that is a consistent feature of radicals -- anti-Jewish and anti-American nationalisms are good, Jewish and American nationalisms are bad. Thus, as reported in the Jerusalem Post, "Soros and his wealthy Jewish American friends have now decided to aim their fire directly at Israel . . . to form a political lobby that will weaken the influence of the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC."

How to explain such Jews? People with no national or religious roots who become politically active will often seek to undermine the national and religious roots of others, especially those in their own national/religious group. It is akin to the special animosity some ex-Catholics have toward the Church. Non-Jewish Jews are far more likely to work to weaken Christianity in America than Jewish Jews, especially religious Jews. Religious Jews celebrate religious Christians.

Jews with no religious or national identity do not like Jews who have those identities, and Americans who have likewise become world citizens do not much care for Americans who wave the American flag.

Just as chauvinism -- excessive and amoral nationalism -- can lead to nihilism, so, too, the absence of any national or religious identity can lead to nihilism. The radical non-Jewish Jew loves


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Radical Jews like George Soros, Noam Chomsky and Karl Marx are really non-Jewish Jews. They are Jews In Name Only. They are Citizens Of The World and reject patriotism and national feeling. Not to mention they reject religion and traditional values too. They abhor anything that smacks of reverence for attachment to the past or to the ideals of nationhood. That is what makes them so dangerous - to Jews and non-Jews alike because they are alienated from the society every one around them accepts.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 02/26/2007 9:25:14 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Jewish Non-Jews jinos...
2 posted on 02/26/2007 9:29:35 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: goldstategop

Erev rav.


3 posted on 02/26/2007 9:30:15 PM PST by Nachum
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To: goldstategop

Well, give soros some credit for his work in Eastern Europe, like his part in color revolutions.


4 posted on 02/26/2007 9:31:12 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Yehuda
Jinos exactly! Many like this will play an Anti-Semitism card when they actually have no more religious identity and experience than a coffee table. Jewishness is something to be used when expedient and no more.
5 posted on 02/26/2007 9:54:06 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: goldstategop

Denaturalize Soros and deport him.


6 posted on 02/26/2007 10:07:56 PM PST by TBP
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This is similar to how Cape based Afrikaners tend to vilify or argue against Boer nationalism. The Boer cultural identity has been & is oppressed by those rootless Afrikaners who tend to dominate their Boer cousins whose ancestors were nomadic pastoralists who lived on the frontier.


7 posted on 02/26/2007 10:14:20 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Jinos is great! Where is this going to end? - cino, pino, mino,lino,evangino,wino ...


8 posted on 02/26/2007 10:29:04 PM PST by SF South Park Republican (" 'Eminent Domain' - the favorite meme of dictators, fascists, and commies.")
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To: goldstategop

Noam Chomsky is a deplorable example of a hardcore leftist, self hating Jew wandering aimlessly in the desert of communist deceptions, and his self inflicted journalistic dishonesty.


9 posted on 02/26/2007 10:48:54 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is Never Free)
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To: goldstategop

Soros was declared a non-Jew by the ?Hungarian government. He spent World War II in the Arrow Cross helping to steal property from Jews, who were then murdered. He isn't Jewish. He is a f---g war criminal whose grandparents were Jewish.


10 posted on 02/26/2007 10:53:32 PM PST by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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To: goldstategop
The term "non-Jewish Jew" ...

It's an awfully klunky term; I prefer "Cultural Jew."

That is what makes them so dangerous - to Jews and non-Jews alike because they are alienated from the society every one around them accepts.

Some of us would say that it's because they are alienated from Torah.

11 posted on 02/26/2007 10:55:12 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: All
Soros and the Nazi hubbub.

Though my comments are not germane to the posted article they suggest that Mr. Soros' money has purchased copious amounts of sycophancy.

A web site devoted to attacking conservative media -- and old media when they stray to the "right" -- has unleashed another attack on Melanie Morgan and her co-hosts at KSFO.

The hubbub is over Soros and his connections to the Nazis in Hungary. No one denies the connection. In dispute is the KSFO folks using a book by David Horowitz and Richard Poe as a source, The Shadow Government.

As Mr. Horowitz has said about the leftists, the issue is not the issue. I take that to mean issues are weapons (a kind of "thousand cuts" stratagem) and these people want KSFO off the air.

The web site attempts to refute KSFO by citing Soros biographer Michael T. Kaufman; yet Mr. Kaufman clearly documents the connection. To wit, as a youth Soros posed as the godson of a government official (arranged by his father). That official's duties included inventorying Nazi-confiscated Jewish estates. Soros accompanied the official.

The KSFO folks acknowledged that you gotta do what you gotta do; "You have to -- he just kind of complied willingly, I would guess -- " said one co-host. Ms Morgan then said "Hmm-mm. In order to further his own career, and his survival -- ensure his survival."

BTW, in a New York Times March 5, 2002, review of Mr. Kaufman's book John Rothchild said "Michael T. Kaufman quit his job at The New York Times to edit a magazine in Prague, becoming one of a cast of thousands bankrolled by George Soros to promote 'open societies' in Eastern Europe."

The web site did not bother to inform the reader of that.

Also the website is funded by ihe Democracy Alliance a creature of very rich leftists including Mr. Soros.

One more thing. It appears that Mr. Soros's father wrote a book.

"Masquerade: Dancing around Death in Nazi-Occupied Hungary" by Tivadar Soros, edited and translated from the Esperanto by Humphrey Tonkin, with forewords by Paul and George Soros. Arcade, 275 pp., $24.95

A review excerpt (available free) from a New York Times page says,

"If these quotations read like excerpts from the diary of a hedonistic bourgeois Hungarian, this is because their author, Tivadar Soros, was one. To be precise, he was a successful Budapest lawyer. What makes these quotations provocative, however, is that Soros was a Jew and that he wrote these words during the ten months in 1944 when the Germans were occupying his country and Adolf Eichmann's SS and the Hungarian government were sending nearly half a million Jews to Auschwitz. Even those who had been left behind, namely the Jewish labor service men under Hungarian military command and the Jews of the Hungarian capital, were under daily threat of extermination. In fact, late in 1944, when Soros and some of the Jews he protected attended the Opera and the National Theater on a season ticket, most Budapest Jews languished in ghettos while fascist Arrow Cross hoodlums dragged hundreds of them to the shores of the Danube to be shot and thrown into the river." [End excerpts]

Given the horror of the times, did Mr. Soros (the elder) really need to be doing all that dancing? Did he have to keep up some sort of act? Or was it something else?

12 posted on 02/26/2007 10:57:20 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: goldstategop

Hitler hated Jews as as a whole for a "rootless internationalism" that preyed on authentic nationalities.

With Hitler as the alternative, I like rootless internationalism - a lot.


13 posted on 02/26/2007 11:01:59 PM PST by secretagent
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To: GSlob

"Give Soros some credit for his work in Eastern Europe"?? Would that be collaborating with the Nazis, or collaborating with ther Communists?


14 posted on 02/26/2007 11:04:00 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: goldstategop

George Soros On Helping The Nazis During The Holocaust | Sweetness & Light
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust


15 posted on 02/26/2007 11:06:01 PM PST by Sam Hill
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To: goldstategop
Well, to avoid sophistry [playing with the different meanings of the same words - "non-Jewish Jew" - and creating unnecessary confusion] one needs to start with strict nomenclature, and to use different words for the different aspects. Frequently these aspects overlap in the same person, but sometimes they do not, and therefore they are different: [1] religious aspect [Judaism, Jew]; [2] genetic/ethnic aspect [Hebrew], [3] nationalistic [Israeli/Zionist]. For example, the satmaris of naturei karta [sp?] are [1] and [2], but not [3]. Orthodox converts in Israel could be [1] and [3], but not [2]. Secular Israelis well may be [2] and [3], but not [1], and so on - all permutations are possible.
The posted article refers to those having only the second, genetic aspect. From it one could not apostasize, and to it one could not convert - it is an accident of birth, nothing more and nothing less. As such, it deserves no more mentioning than other accidents of birth, such as eye color.
16 posted on 02/26/2007 11:13:54 PM PST by GSlob
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To: ozzymandus
"Would that be collaborating with the Nazis, or collaborating with ther Communists?"
"Color revolutions" are neither, as far as I know. And judging by how much the putinoids "like" him, he does not sound like a collaborator with their ilk.
17 posted on 02/26/2007 11:19:09 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Carry_Okie; goldstategop; rmlew; Yehuda; Nachum; GSlob; Anti-Bubba182; WilliamofCarmichael; ...
Sorosauron...

18 posted on 02/27/2007 1:21:34 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sam Hill
RE: George Soros On Helping The Nazis During The Holocaust | Sweetness & Light

Thank you for posting that link.

19 posted on 02/27/2007 7:11:07 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: rmlew

Do you have any other info on this? I never heard this but considering what a lowlife Soros is it does not suprise me.


20 posted on 02/27/2007 4:58:28 PM PST by dervish ("It is a strategy of "no," while our soldiers are saying, "yes, sir" to their commanding officers")
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To: TBP

"Denaturalize Soros " - To denaturate him one would need to add to him some benzene, pyridine, or methanol,


21 posted on 02/27/2007 6:07:07 PM PST by GSlob
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To: TBP

Bump to you.


22 posted on 02/27/2007 6:12:15 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: TBP

Bump to you.


23 posted on 02/27/2007 6:12:22 PM PST by Plains Drifter (America First, Last, and Always!!!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Sorosauron...

You insult Me, sir. That is not ... prudent

re: secular Socialist Jews: they have found a new religion -- rather than erect a Golden Calf, they have decided to worship Socialism and the idea of the Almighty State

24 posted on 02/27/2007 6:23:42 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: SauronOfMordor
re: secular Socialist Jews: they have found a new religion -- rather than erect a Golden Calf, they have decided to worship Socialism and the idea of the Almighty State

Their golden state... an idol like a gilded bovine...

25 posted on 02/27/2007 6:35:03 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Sad but true for too many...


26 posted on 02/28/2007 11:40:51 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: GSlob

I was saying that he's a naturalized citizen, his actions are seditious, and we should revoke his naturalization and send him back where he came from.


27 posted on 03/07/2007 8:18:44 PM PST by TBP
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To: TBP
Well, and I was joking and referring to him as to alcohol. As for revoking his naturalization - he-he. Best of luck. With his resources, he would tie it down in the courts till the year 2100 at the earliest. So, as they use to say, forget about it. Instead, why not put him to some use - say, to promoting color revolutions. This would be in the national interest [ours], gratify his ego [especially if, say, one or more of these newly liberated countries name a large square after him, or erect an equestrian barocco style monument to him on that square- with a flowing gown over a three-piece suit of armor]. At the same time it would keep him busy and from causing further mischief. Win-win, as I see it.
28 posted on 03/07/2007 8:35:39 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Try him for sedition. Use teh Nazi camp guards as precedent for denaturalizing him. We should deport the guy ASAP.


29 posted on 03/07/2007 8:50:28 PM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

It will not fly, and is pointless anyway. Instead, make him useful. Read and ponder the following Sun Tzu paragraph: "a wise general employs all kinds of people - clever and stupid, greedy, brave and cowardly. He uses the brave people on the battlefront; he uses the clever people in his council, for they exult in providing advice; he uses the greedy ones, for they are good at seizing an advantage; he uses cowardly people, for they are good in extricating themselves from difficulties; and he uses the stupid ones, for they are not afraid of death". [quoted from memory]. Ditto in the statecraft, not only in strategy. Make him useful.


30 posted on 03/07/2007 9:04:35 PM PST by GSlob
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