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Christ 'Coffin' Empty (Review of “Lost Tomb of Jesus”: Al Capone’s vault has met it’s match)
NY Post ^ | February 28, 2007 | Adam Buckman

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:58:26 AM PST by dead

AL Capone's vault has met its match.

I'm no scientist, but after watching a bunch of people who are scientists sift through the dust and bones of a 2000-year-old family burial chamber in Jerusalem, I have to offer this unscientific conclusion: There ain't no way them bones belong to Jesus.

Or, if they are his bones, they don't come anywhere near proving it in "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," the Discovery Channel documentary that is supposed to rock Christianity to its very foundations.

Well, I have some good news for Christianity: Your foundations are safe.

Why were they going to be rocked in the first place? Because if the bones turned out to be Jesus', then the long-held Christian belief that he was resurrected bodily from his grave would have to be reconsidered - perhaps limited to a resurrection that was "merely" spiritual in nature.

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Laboratories from Israel to Ontario were enlisted to analyze genetic material from old bones and train "electron microprobes" on tiny mounds of patina scraped from the sides of the limestone bone boxes (called "ossuaries").

The tests were aimed at determining if the bones belonged to people who were related to each other and whether the ossuaries came out of the same cave. FYI: The results varied.

The whole process began when scholars realized that the names inscribed on these particular ossuaries mirrored those of the known (or suspected) members of Jesus' family.

What are the odds that this group of people with names common to their place and time were the family of Jesus Christ?

Despite the best efforts of a statistician recruited to stand up the show's hypothesis, the odds remain long indeed.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; gospelofjesuswife; hewasarabbi; jamescameron; jamesossuary; jesustomb; karenking; letshavejerusalem; losttombofjesus; mariame; mariamne; marymagdalene; rabbismarry; sectarianturmoil; simchajacobovici; talpiot; talpiottomb; weddingatcana

1 posted on 02/28/2007 7:58:31 AM PST by dead
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To: dead

more anti-Christian propaganda...


2 posted on 02/28/2007 8:01:50 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: dead

That is the funniest picture ever. Thanks for a great laugh.


3 posted on 02/28/2007 8:02:01 AM PST by rep-always
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To: dead
HA!

A classic!

4 posted on 02/28/2007 8:04:19 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: dead
Or, if they are his bones, they don't come anywhere near proving it in "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," the Discovery Channel documentary that is supposed to rock Christianity to its very foundations.

Imagine the Discovery Channel trying to attack Christianity. Just shocking...

5 posted on 02/28/2007 8:04:29 AM PST by Always Right
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To: dead

Maybe Jimmy Hoffa.


6 posted on 02/28/2007 8:05:37 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: dead

"I found the tomb of Alexander the Great"
"Big deal. Someone already found it"
"Jesus!"
"What? You found the tomb of Jesus?"
"Huh? Oh yeah, I found Jesus' tomb. And Mary. And Marvin"
"Marvin?"
"Jesus' son. Marvin"
"Marvin is not a Biblical name"
"Oh, sorry. It was smudged. It was uhh...er...Judas!!"
"Judas?? He named His son after His betrayer?"
"Huh? Oh, no. That was a big..uh..mix up. Entrapment. That's it".
"Hey, Jesus was inscribed with a Sharpie".
"A miracle!!"


7 posted on 02/28/2007 8:07:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ex-snook

Jimmy Hoffa just went home. It was all explained in a documentary called "Men in Black".


8 posted on 02/28/2007 8:07:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I thought they were talking about Elvis....


9 posted on 02/28/2007 8:09:35 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: dead

All they have to do to establish paternity is to get some DNA from his Father. I'd love to see that process.


10 posted on 02/28/2007 8:10:43 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: kellynla

Not neccessarily; perhaps the empty ossuary was symbolic of the ressurrection at the time of its placement in the tomb. Who knows what the thinking was at that time of those involved in this burial. The finding of these items does in no way prove, either possitively or negatively, anything about Jesus Christ.

It is either just a coincidence or further addition to the mystery.


11 posted on 02/28/2007 8:13:50 AM PST by .44 Special (Tá Múid Buarch)
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To: kellynla

When are they going to do a documentary about the wives of Muhammed, including the 7 year old girl he was "married" to?

If James Cameron had done a documentary about Islam,
the islamofascists would already have beheaded this fool.


12 posted on 02/28/2007 8:15:54 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Al Gore's home in Nashville uses 20 TIMES the energy of the average American's home)
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To: AppyPappy

"But the Da Vinci Code said that Jesus had a daughter!"

"Well, the name on that coffin must be 'Judy' instead of Judas"

"Hey, does this mean the Koran is wrong about prophet Jesus/Isa being taken up to Allah?"

(sound of crickets chirping)


13 posted on 02/28/2007 8:17:25 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: dead

Cool pic! Imagine idiots expecting to find remains in what they think is Jesus' tomb. DUH!


14 posted on 02/28/2007 8:19:52 AM PST by cake_crumb (When "bipartisan study groups" prosecute wars, you get Another Viet Nam)
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To: mbynack
Yeah, I doubt He'd stand for one of those mouth-swab tests (is there even a Q Tip big enough?) so they'd just have to wait for Him to discard a coffee cup or Pepsi can.

;-)

15 posted on 02/28/2007 8:20:11 AM PST by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: dead

Can we get the Heinekin looter guy in the picture too?


16 posted on 02/28/2007 8:22:38 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: dead

LOL!


17 posted on 02/28/2007 8:29:53 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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To: dead
Archeology is following in the steps of journalism and climatology. Unverified data from a single source is OK. Ignore data that is contradictory to your hypothesis. Complain that those who find fault with your data and conclusions are motivated by politics and/or money.
18 posted on 02/28/2007 8:32:26 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: dead

Which is dustier, the two thousand year old tomb, or the empty space between the scientists ears? These self-absorbed academics need to get their elitist noses out of the dark and dirty world, and spend some time in the Bible and appreciate the real light. Enjoy some SONshine!


19 posted on 02/28/2007 8:33:47 AM PST by Msgt USMC (Lead, follow, or get the heck outta the way!)
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To: All

Obviously, none of us has seen it, so I will watch and judge the conclusions for myself, but...

From what I have read, here are things that I already question:

This tomb was discovered almost 30 years ago, and I'm suspicious that all of a sudden it's big news. If this is really so remarkable then I think we would have heard something sooner.

The inscriptions are in different languages.

They claim it's Mary Magdalene but that's not what the inscriptions says. It uses the form of Mary used to refer to Magdalene, and then tack on this 'e Mara' (the Master) which depicts a whole other side to Mary than depicted in the Bible, and it's just too convenient.

I'm suspicious of an ossuary that gives a Title to a female unless they can show plenty of other evidence of female's being identified in tombs with Titles.

Jose is not identified as the son of Josef on the ossuaries and neither is Mattiu, but Jesus is and so is Yaaqov. So, why assume that they were all brothers, when only 2 ossuaries indicate siblings.

Apparently they haven't done DNA testing on all the remains, so I just don't see what they think they have that proves anything. Other than the remains of Jesus and the remains of Mariamene supposedly show that they are not related, and I guess you might assume that Mariamene was the wife of somebody in that tomb.

They guy who managed the excavation of this site says 'nothing to see here' meaning he doesn't see any significance to the cluster of names, and says this tomb is a middle class family from Jerusalem, not a family from Galilee.

The hype of this discovery obviously is gonna receive backlash from Christians, but it's gonna get even harher remarks from people who might have an open mind because the claims they are making in advertising this are extremely misleading.

It's gonna fall on its face like that Discovery Channel's most recent Al Capone Vault documentary they did which hyped the discovery of the real Atlantis. How many of you were taken along for that 2-hour ride to nowhere?


20 posted on 02/28/2007 8:33:55 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: dead

This whole thing reminds me of a story Steven Wright told about a friend of his that spent an enormous amount of government funding to find out who built the pyramids. After several years of research, his friend's conclusion was that "he was pretty sure it was some guy named Eddie."


21 posted on 02/28/2007 8:37:35 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Six. Aisha was 6 years old when He married her and 'consummated' his marriage to her. In fact, she may have been even younger than that considering she was still being breast fed.

The hadith says her "nurse" (the didn't have doctors and nurses in nomadic Bedouin tribes in those days, she was a wet nurse) came and got her from a swing, and after being led by the hand to her house (tent) she was out of breath. A nine year old wouldn't be nursing, and certainly wouldn't be out of breath being led by an older women with lactating breasts. She was placed in Mohammad's lap which indicates her small size, under 6 years old.

later scribes have changed her age to 9 so as to cover the embarrassing fact about Mohammad raping a baby. But they couldn't abrogate it well enough to cover those other detils which give her true age away. She was but a nursing baby child, rapd by a 54 year old murdering pedophile.

22 posted on 02/28/2007 8:38:06 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: kellynla

Hollywood got the part of the message "Americans enjoy Christian themed movies". Obviously they didn't get the part "so long as those movies aren't about how Christianity is a bunch of hooey".


23 posted on 02/28/2007 8:51:55 AM PST by bobjam
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To: dead

funny thing about rocks: you can't determine when anything was carved on them. Those names could have been carved yesterday adn there wouldn't be any reliable method of proving it.

This 'discovery' is 25 years old. how come it took so long for such a blockbueter to get out???

I smell the "Cardiff Giant"


24 posted on 02/28/2007 9:01:17 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: dead

Based on this type of scholarship both the Hitler and Howard Hughes diaries not to mention the Piltdown Man are all authentic. I'm waiting for the Discovery Channel to show Jesus' high school graduation photo and the bill for the last supper.


25 posted on 02/28/2007 9:10:56 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: .44 Special

I don't believe a word of it. The ossuary is an obvious ploy to get christians to throw away their "relics'. I am proud of my piece of " John the Baptists skull', a vial of 'Mother Mary's milk' and a wisp of 'hair from Peter'....


26 posted on 02/28/2007 9:21:34 AM PST by Duffboy
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To: dead

Sure are a lot of threads for a decades old non-story. Coast covered this well last night.


27 posted on 02/28/2007 9:23:51 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: dead
Scientists have completed analysis of the bones in the coffin and have determined that they are the bones of...

[drumroll]

Jimmy Hoffa!

[rimshot]

Thank you! Thank you! I'm here all week - try the veal!

28 posted on 02/28/2007 9:24:30 AM PST by COBOL2Java ("No stronger retrograde force exists in the world" - Winston Churchill on Islam)
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To: The Great RJ

"...the bill for the last supper."

I always assumed they paid cash. I wonder, was it separate checks, and since there were over 8 in the party, was an 18% tip added on?


29 posted on 02/28/2007 10:42:53 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi, I'm the DREAD PIRATE ROBERTS! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area!)
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To: mbynack
All they have to do to establish paternity is to get some DNA from his Father. I'd love to see that process.

I had the same thought when this event first came up, but I bit my tongue because I despise three pages of scripture quotations as "argument".

I can separate my faith (still healthy and strong) from scientific discussions.

30 posted on 02/28/2007 11:35:11 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: silverleaf
"Hey, does this mean the Koran is wrong about prophet Jesus/Isa being taken up to Allah?"

Well...
There's a complication here.
The story of Jesus is that he actually and physically ascended; no written contradiction among the Gospels.

Mohamed did his "ascention" in a dream.

If I have a dream that I ascended, does that make it "real"?
If not, why not?

31 posted on 02/28/2007 11:38:48 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
One additional historical fact, Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol III, Edinburgh, 1771, pg 9:

Thus was mohamedanism established, and idolatry rooted out, even in mohamed's lifetime (for he died the next year [633]) throughout all Arabia, except only Yamama, where Moiselama, who set up also as a prophet as mohamed's competitor, had a great party, and was not reduced till the Khalifat of Abu Becr: and the Arabs, being then united in one faith and under one prince, found themselves in a condition of making those conquests, which extended the mohammedan faith over so great a part of the world"

32 posted on 02/28/2007 11:52:36 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Reaganesque

I remember him using that quite a few years ago- more than 10 IIRC. Does he still do stand up comedy? Nevermind, I'll go and answer my own question. :-)


33 posted on 02/28/2007 5:48:16 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: GreenLanternCorps
On The Last Supper: It was actually a brunch. The check (discovered by Sarducci himself!) reveals that one guy only had a soft-boiled egg and tea, while everyone else stuffed themselves. But when the bill was paid, it was divided equally. The moral: "In groups, always order the most expensive thing."

link

34 posted on 02/28/2007 5:56:29 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: dead

LOL. You are a genius!


35 posted on 02/28/2007 5:57:57 PM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: Msgt USMC
Take a deep breath.

There is no scientific support for this sort of tabloid documentary. all archeologists I've seen interviewed call this movie maker's thesis: nonsense.

36 posted on 03/01/2007 10:41:54 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: dead

Love the picture! LOL!

I never watch it myself, but I always thought the Discovery Channel was at least moderately serious. Is their other stuff of this -- I hestitate to use the word -- calibre?


37 posted on 03/02/2007 7:32:33 AM PST by maryz
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Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
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38 posted on 03/09/2007 8:46:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, February 19, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: silverleaf
"But the Da Vinci Code said that Jesus had a daughter!"

"Well, the name on that coffin must be 'Judy' instead of Judas"

No sweat:

Cheers!

39 posted on 03/09/2007 11:48:10 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: mbynack

Ain't going to happen. These people don't have a snowballs chance in hell of making it to Heaven. (Wait, was that confusing?)


40 posted on 03/09/2007 11:54:15 PM PST by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: RepoGirl

I thought He liked Coke :-)


41 posted on 03/09/2007 11:56:02 PM PST by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: dead

Dead,

You own me a new keyboard, new monitor and whatever it cost for the trip to ER.

My God that was funny.


42 posted on 03/10/2007 12:13:39 AM PST by Gator113
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To: maryz
I never watch it myself, but I always thought the Discovery Channel was at least moderately serious. Is their other stuff of this -- I hestitate to use the word -- calibre?

I watch a lot of documentary programming, and all the channels -- A&E, Discovery, History, TLC, Court TV, and so on -- can be hit or miss. They all feature a lot of "reality TV" and things like ghost stories, "psychic detectives" and the search for Bigfoot that lead me to change the channel.

Most of their programming is good, entertaining, factual and somewhat informative, but not particularly in-depth or insightful. Most of the Bill Kurtis ouevre falls in that category for me. Maybe 10% is really gripping and educational.

I haven't observed that any one channel is consistently better than the others, except that PBS, which has far fewer hours of documentaries than the networks that carry them 24 hours, has consistently more depth and higher production values. To what degree that's offset by bias or agenda is an argument I'll leave aside for now.

43 posted on 03/10/2007 12:35:54 AM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: ReignOfError

At least I know I'm not missing much -- thanks!


44 posted on 03/10/2007 3:05:18 AM PST by maryz
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To: dead
I believe they're still waiting for the DNA results to come back proving that the tomb was the burial place of Jimmy Hoffa, Judge Crater, and the missing alien from Roswell so they can produce another series of documentaries.
45 posted on 03/12/2007 5:50:11 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: dead

The Kerry pic........now that's funny!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 03/12/2007 5:51:25 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Always Right
DaVinci code
Lost Tomb of Jesus
Gospel of Judas
Gospel of Timothy
Sea of Reeds

and other so called documentary's are just another avenue for the deception of man.

I lent a guy the Passion for he and his wife to view. He appeared to be seeking. This fella kept the movie for like 2 months or more.

One Monday he was talking about how much he liked the DaVinci code movie after handing me the Passion of Christ.

I asked how he like the Passion.....he responded, "Oh, we never really got a chance to watch it."

Garbage in, garbage out! Very sad.
47 posted on 03/12/2007 5:58:03 AM PDT by servantboy777
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