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Inmates at no-smoking prison trade hostage for cigarettes
CNN.com ^ | February 28, 2007

Posted on 02/28/2007 4:18:48 PM PST by A. Pole

JOHNSON CITY, Tennessee (AP) -- Two inmates housed in a smoke-free prison traded a hostage for cigarettes after a six-hour standoff.

[...]

"As the night progressed they started saying, 'Look, we'll give up if you let us have some tobacco. If you do that, we'll go back to our cell,"' Carlton said. "They got them some cigarettes, they smoked them and went back to their cell and locked themselves back in."

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Prisons across the state are instituting no-smoking policies after the Legislature passed a law banning smoking in state buildings.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: health; healthfreaks; nazi; prisons; smoking; tobacco; whatdidyouexpect

1 posted on 02/28/2007 4:18:51 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: A. Pole

"Prisons across the state are instituting no-smoking policies after the Legislature passed a law banning smoking in state buildings."

Well that's pretty idiotic. It's not like the inmates have a choice of whether to patronize the prison or not, or go outside. I'm not a smoker, hate the smell of cigarette smell but you can't just legislate away an addiction. I can't believe the prison guards would support this ban as it would put their lives in more jeopardy from whacked-out smoker inmates.


2 posted on 02/28/2007 4:24:12 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: caseinpoint

Meant to say, hate the smell of cigarette smoke. Been working on company taxes all day and I'm a bit burned out.


3 posted on 02/28/2007 4:25:22 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: A. Pole

What do they expect to happen when they take a drug away from a bunch of junkies?


4 posted on 02/28/2007 4:26:44 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: caseinpoint

Back in my DWI days a jail guard told me that the non smoking jaid did nothing but create a whole new set of problems.


5 posted on 02/28/2007 4:27:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: A. Pole

the prisoners shouldn't smoke, they might hurt themselves


6 posted on 02/28/2007 4:30:06 PM PST by Republicus2001
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To: cripplecreek
What does this teach the children?

Hold their teachers hostage until they can smoke in the classroom? :)
7 posted on 02/28/2007 4:31:24 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Republicus2001
Can't have deathrow inmates exposed to that nasty second-hand smoke.....for "health" reasons.

We let illegal aliens run loose in this country, but the Smoke Nazi's are after legal citizens' rights....

Is this a great country, or what?

8 posted on 02/28/2007 4:34:26 PM PST by traditional1
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To: Mark was here

My Poli Sci teacher held class in the lunchroom so the class and he could smoke; played poker at my house too, lousy poker player.


9 posted on 02/28/2007 4:35:01 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
lousy poker player.

You or the Poli Sci. teacher?

10 posted on 02/28/2007 4:38:52 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: cripplecreek

And why not. Aren't cigarettes supposed to help someone relax? Isn't that part of their allure? Without them you have a black market for cigarettes, increased smokeless tobacco use (along with dental problems and mouth and jaw cancers), irritable inmates, nervous guards and a recipe for explosions inside the prisons. If they cared about the inmates (and guards), they would require attending a smoking cessation course a condition of parole.


11 posted on 02/28/2007 4:43:27 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: A. Pole

The ban is stupid.

That said, so was giving in to their demands.

Lesson learned: enforce stupid fascist laws and terrorism pays.


12 posted on 02/28/2007 5:17:26 PM PST by Killborn (Age of servitude. A government of the traitors, by the liars, for the sheep.)
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To: caseinpoint

It's not like the inmates have a choice of whether to patronize the prison or not, or go outside. I'm not a smoker, hate the smell of cigarette smell but you can't just legislate away an addiction. I can't believe the prison guards would support this ban as it would put their lives in more jeopardy from whacked-out smoker inmates.


You cant just discharge from psych hosopitals, they let you go when they want to...all have gone to nonsmoking.


13 posted on 02/28/2007 7:31:26 PM PST by Chickensoup (WE are the media....The New Media.)
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To: A. Pole

Let me get this straight: Taking away someone's freedom, their job, their family, their ability to move, and their personal effects is okay. But taking away their cigarettes is an egregious violation of human rights.

It's prison. It's not supposed to be pleasant. Only humane and rehabilitative.


14 posted on 02/28/2007 7:34:06 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: A. Pole

Maybe AlGore could invent the 'nicotine credit' here to give credence to his 'carbon credit'????????


15 posted on 02/28/2007 7:40:58 PM PST by ErieGeno
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To: Caesar Soze
I find your attitude very petty.
16 posted on 02/28/2007 7:44:54 PM PST by A. Pole (Arnold Toynbee: "Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.")
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To: Chickensoup

Equally stupid. When a person has no choice in staying or going, the ban is sheer lunacy. ;o) Every parent knows not to impose rules they aren't willing to enforce.


17 posted on 02/28/2007 8:39:46 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: processing please hold

Him. He used to buy extra cards in 7-card stud.


18 posted on 03/01/2007 8:01:30 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: caseinpoint
you can't just legislate away an addiction

No, but you do not have to accomodate addicts who are in jail. Don't like the non-smoking policy of jails? Don't come back.

19 posted on 03/01/2007 1:35:10 PM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: A. Pole

Hell, even the Geneva Conventions makes it a violation to keep prisonors from their smokes. Considers it inhumane.


20 posted on 03/01/2007 1:39:51 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Gabz

possible nanny state ping.


21 posted on 03/01/2007 1:42:18 PM PST by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: eyedigress
even the Geneva Conventions makes it a violation to keep prisonors from their smokes

Please give me a cite. Hard to believe.

22 posted on 03/02/2007 7:52:34 PM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: at bay

Article 26 & Article 28 of the Geneva Convention from 1949

Don't know if it has been revised:

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm


23 posted on 03/03/2007 6:53:59 AM PST by libertarian27 (The Boston Tea Party wasn't just about the Tea)
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To: eyedigress

See post 23


24 posted on 03/03/2007 6:54:46 AM PST by libertarian27 (The Boston Tea Party wasn't just about the Tea)
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To: libertarian27

Actually, it says tobacco, which could be interpreted as chewing only, not to mince words. A lot has changed since 49, eh?


25 posted on 03/03/2007 12:33:37 PM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: at bay
Convention 3, Part 2, Article 26

Art. 26. The basic daily food rations shall be sufficient in quantity, quality and variety to keep prisoners of war in good health and to prevent loss of weight or the development of nutritional deficiencies. Account shall also be taken of the habitual diet of the prisoners. The Detaining Power shall supply prisoners of war who work with such additional rations as are necessary for the labour on which they are employed. Sufficient drinking water shall be supplied to prisoners of war. The use of tobacco shall be permitted. Prisoners of war shall, as far as possible, be associated with the preparation of their meals; they may be employed for that purpose in the kitchens. Furthermore, they shall be given the means of preparing, themselves, the additional food in their possession. Adequate premises shall be provided for messing. Collective disciplinary measures affecting food are prohibited.

26 posted on 03/05/2007 9:06:35 AM PST by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

Unlimited use of tobacco: smoking
Limited use of tobacco: chaw, Copie and snuff only, no incindiary devices allowed (matches, lighters).


27 posted on 03/05/2007 11:20:46 AM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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