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'Nuclear Winter' May Kill More Than A Nuclear War
'Nuclear Winter' May Kill More Than A Nuclear War ^ | 3-2-2007 | Debora MacKenzie

Posted on 03/01/2007 5:22:58 PM PST by blam

'Nuclear winter' may kill more than a nuclear war

19:00 01 March 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Debora MacKenzie

A regional exchange of relatively small nuclear weapons could plunge the world into a decade-long "nuclear winter", destroying agriculture and killing millions, according to a new study.

Weapons experts to consider that small-scale nuclear exchanges are now more likely than the massive US-Soviet exchanges feared during the Cold War.

In the 1980s, scientists calculated that such exchanges would put enough smoke into the atmosphere to shade the Earth from the Sun, causing a nuclear winter.

Now scientists have re-calculated the likelihood of nuclear winter using modern, vastly improved climate models and a more likely modern scenario for small-scale nuclear war. Brian Toon, head of atmospheric and oceanic sciences at the University of Colorado at Boulder, and Alan Robock of Rutgers University in New Jersey, both in the US, predict less cooling than the 1980s modellers. However, they predict the cooling would last longer, with potentially devastating consequences.

Different targets

The pair modelled the impact of 100 explosions in subtropical megacities. They modelled 15-kilotonne explosions, like the Hiroshima bomb. This is also the size of the bombs now possessed by India and Pakistan, among others.

The immediate blast and radiation from the exchange of 100 small nuclear bombs killed between three million and 16 million people, depending on the targets. But the global effect of the resulting one-to-five million tonnes of smoke was much worse. “It is very surprising how few weapons are needed to do so much damage,” says Toon.

(Excerpt) Read more at environment.newscientist.com ...


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KEYWORDS: ajntsa; iceage; littleiceage; nuclear; nuclearwar; nuclearwinter; war; winter
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1 posted on 03/01/2007 5:23:03 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

"nuclear winter" - But dont'we have a global warming right now? the things will nicely balance off.


2 posted on 03/01/2007 5:25:03 PM PST by GSlob
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To: blam

Well, there goes global warming.


3 posted on 03/01/2007 5:25:17 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: blam
A regional exchange of relatively small nuclear weapons could plunge the world into a decade-long "nuclear winter", destroying agriculture and killing millions, according to a new study.

Well between this and global warming mebbe we could even things out. I say light up iran and Mr. Kim and save the planet!

4 posted on 03/01/2007 5:28:08 PM PST by steveo (Is there anything else I can help you with today?)
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To: blam

Its amazing that people get paid to recycle the same old crap year after year.

5 posted on 03/01/2007 5:28:25 PM PST by oyez
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To: blam

A human creature made "Little Ice Age," similar to the one made from the the explosion of [Anak] Krakatoa a couple of centuries ago? (And the earlier one during European Dark Age times, when the original Krakatoa blew).


6 posted on 03/01/2007 5:28:59 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: oyez

Uh, decade after decade.


7 posted on 03/01/2007 5:30:24 PM PST by x1stcav (If you have to tell everyone you support the troops, you probably don't.)
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To: blam

Where's Carl Sagan when you need him?


8 posted on 03/01/2007 5:31:01 PM PST by fso301
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To: oyez
This idea isn't that stupid.

A large volcano explosion can toss up enough dirt and dust into the air to block enough sunlight to lower temperatures enough that crops fail; replacing one moderate volcano with a hundred nuclear explosions to cause a similar effect isn't such a stretch.

9 posted on 03/01/2007 5:31:13 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: oyez

It must be the 1980's again....


10 posted on 03/01/2007 5:31:21 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: blam

Debora MacKenzie "may" be a head case


11 posted on 03/01/2007 5:32:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: blam

There is just no pleasing these people, first they're whining about global warming, NOW they're wringing their hands about "nuclear winter", hey either get naked or put on a sweater, but *SHUT UP ALREADY!!!*


12 posted on 03/01/2007 5:33:11 PM PST by mkjessup (My mechanic said "I can't fix your brakes, so I made your horn louder" - Stephen Wright)
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To: blam
Well, what better solution to "global warming"?

It's a whole lot better than those stupid "carbon credits!"

13 posted on 03/01/2007 5:33:56 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: blam
A regional exchange of relatively small nuclear weapons could plunge the world into a decade-long "nuclear winter", destroying agriculture and killing millions, according to a new study.

Quick, someone tell Algore, we've found an equitable and economical way to end his global worming! Bomb Iran.

14 posted on 03/01/2007 5:38:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: x1stcav
NewScientist, my @ss. This is one of the the same propaganda mills that keeps saying we're doomed, screwed blued, and tattooed. Paul Ehrlich and Rachel Carson started this cottage industry, and proved that people could get quite prosperous doing it..
15 posted on 03/01/2007 5:38:25 PM PST by oyez
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To: Proud2BeRight

WHAT WILL AL GORE DO NOW!!!! He will do just what he's been doing all along heating and air conditioning all of his homes, driving his SUV's, flying to and fro on the airlines, and convincing all of us global warming is real! I can't help laughing when he had a conference on global warming in NYC DURING A HEAVY SNOW STORM. The only thing GREEN in his life is his shorts


16 posted on 03/01/2007 5:39:02 PM PST by ronnie raygun (ID RATHER BE HUNTING WITH DICK THAN DRIVING WITH TED)
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To: fso301
Where's Carl Sagan when you need him?

Getting his tootsies toasted in a hot, stinky place, no doubt.

17 posted on 03/01/2007 5:40:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: blam
But did I not read last week or week before that a group of so called scientist wanted to place dust in the air to keep global warming from taking place?
18 posted on 03/01/2007 5:40:09 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (56 Supporters of al Qaeda are seated in the US Senate)
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To: blam

19 posted on 03/01/2007 5:42:23 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Whether it is global warming, global cooling, or nuclear winter it will certainly be due to Republican abuse of the planet and will hit minorities the hardest.


20 posted on 03/01/2007 5:46:08 PM PST by gobus1
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To: editor-surveyor
global worming

I like that term. Can I use it? Earth could become like Arrakis, the desert planet in the Dune series of books. We could all get rich harvesting the lucrative spice, Melange.

21 posted on 03/01/2007 5:46:24 PM PST by oyez
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To: GSlob
That's what I thought.
22 posted on 03/01/2007 5:46:54 PM PST by b4its2late (Liberalism is a hollow log and a mental disorder.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Carl Sagan thinks he's on Venus or Mercury.
23 posted on 03/01/2007 5:48:30 PM PST by oyez
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To: blam

Remember Carl Sagan and the Kuwaiti oil wells burning? "It could be the worst ecological disaster man has ever known".

BZZTT. Nuclear Winter is hogshiznit.


24 posted on 03/01/2007 5:51:10 PM PST by Malsua
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To: blam
...using modern, vastly improved climate models ...

Would these be the modern, vastly improved climate models that predicted the horrendous 2006 Atlantic Hurricane Season?

25 posted on 03/01/2007 5:51:10 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam

Didn't Carl Sagan assert that if the Iraqis torched the Kuwaiti oil wells in 1991 that "nuclear winter" was sure to follow?


26 posted on 03/01/2007 5:52:41 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Malsua
One minute, 31 seconds.

Harumph.

27 posted on 03/01/2007 5:53:28 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam

If it kills off the mosquitoes then I'm all for it.


28 posted on 03/01/2007 5:54:48 PM PST by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: blam

Not at Al Gore's estate. I will assume they will be nice and toasty.


29 posted on 03/01/2007 5:56:11 PM PST by DalcoTX
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To: blam
LOL!

The solution to Global Warming is at hand for all of humanity, if we just allow Islamics, failed communists and fascist dictatorships, access to about 100 nuclear weapons!

Of course, we will have to beam a signal that simultaneously explodes them all in place, in order for the rest of the world to live happily ever after....
30 posted on 03/01/2007 5:58:21 PM PST by sarasmom ( War is not the most vile of the evils humanity commits . There is always apathy...)
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To: oyez; Dutch Boy

They have a new crop of poorly educated youngsters to dupe about this and half a dozen or so other old canards -- and it's working


31 posted on 03/01/2007 5:58:35 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: blam

Nuclear winter. That is so 1982.


32 posted on 03/01/2007 5:59:48 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: oyez

The spice that comes from a dangerous source? (only started reading the first book in the series, and then stopped after a few chapters).


33 posted on 03/01/2007 6:00:41 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: blam
Shades of this movie.
34 posted on 03/01/2007 6:01:47 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel-Robert Frost)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
No, just "The Day After."

As the National Review asked, "Why did they have to make all the survivors look just like Senator Alan Cranston?"

35 posted on 03/01/2007 6:02:58 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: blam

Anyone remember Carl Sagan promising about the same thing if Saddam H. set the oil fields on fire? It's just always something isn't it?


36 posted on 03/01/2007 6:05:52 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: DuncanWaring

Yes, he did, and I just posted that question before reading the thread. I'm never the first in these things, still I post before I read....looks like I'd learn.


37 posted on 03/01/2007 6:08:24 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: BenLurkin
You can't expect too much of a population that watches "reality" tv and crap like the Academy Awards, and then believes what they see. It is really depressing.
38 posted on 03/01/2007 6:11:04 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The Fremen were the native inhabitants of Araqis. As i get it Fremen wasthe only free society of the whole federation. The spice came from a dangerous source because the gigantic worms protected it.

Oyez has not read all the books and is not considered to be an expert on the subject, but he did work a midnight shift with a pair of Dune scholars, who spoke of little else)

39 posted on 03/01/2007 6:24:42 PM PST by oyez
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To: pepperdog

And Malsua beat me by "One Minute, 31 Seconds"... :-P


40 posted on 03/01/2007 6:26:52 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam

Hasn't happened in Jericho yet!


41 posted on 03/01/2007 6:28:27 PM PST by rintense (Just say no to McCain in 2008!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
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42 posted on 03/01/2007 6:41:11 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: GSlob

Yeah we nuke the ME and kill two birds with one stone, so to speak....


43 posted on 03/01/2007 6:42:38 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: blam

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I heard it all in the 70's and 80's.


44 posted on 03/01/2007 6:52:51 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (a.k.a. What a jackass!)
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To: Larry Lucido

The answer is: because they wanted the survivors to look more dead than alive.


45 posted on 03/01/2007 7:01:07 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: DuncanWaring; pepperdog


and on that one...all I can say is this;

We ALL independently remember Sagan sitting there in the CNN
Studios, pontificating that the world was about to end because Saddam had all those wellheads lit on fire.

Carl Sagan was a bloated gas bag. Cosmos was a great series, beyond Cosmos, Sagan is simply a clueless socialist douche.


46 posted on 03/01/2007 7:07:05 PM PST by Malsua
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Arrfghhh...Me too.

Dont these idiots realize that we exploded over 3000 nuclear weapons in the air, on the ground, under the sea, and underground for over 600 megatons from 1949-1992? Guess what? we are still here. Friggin liberals..

47 posted on 03/01/2007 7:16:18 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute Scum & Pit Bulls.)
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To: blam

Unilateral surrender is the only solution!


48 posted on 03/01/2007 7:18:46 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: DCBryan1

Yeah, and as soon as we stopped, Global Warming...


49 posted on 03/01/2007 7:19:59 PM PST by null and void (Let's play 6 of global warming...)
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To: blam

Nuclear Winter. 2012. You gotta go sometime.


50 posted on 03/01/2007 7:23:18 PM PST by montag813
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